Prelude SH VS Integra GSR

[MaRk2k]

prelude has had the best handing for Honda for quite a while

[Black R]

I know that ATTS isnt that great because when you reach a certain speed I think it was 80, ATTS goes off or does something. Also consider this. My friends NA Prelude is pushing 245HP at the engine not sure at the wheels but Brian Crower Stage 2 cams,valves,springs, blueprint and balanced engine, port and polish, SMSP Header, Blacktrax intake maifold, Type S pistons with Golden Eagle Rodgs, and free flowing 2.5 exhaust....ya Im kind of going how does a GS-R NA beat that.

You do realize that 245 at the crank is 209 at the wheels given only 15% drivetrain loss.....?

Shit, that's pretty much some cams and pistons in a bseries! AND 300 lbs is a LOT of weight to have to deal with. 300lbs hurts in acceleration, braking AND cornering!

JG already said it best - if you want a cruiser, a nice daily driver for a secretary, then get a prelude.

If you want potential, and tons of aftermarket support, get an integra.

Fuck the SH crap! I'd rather have a REAL LSD!

[Brut]

I would go with the lude.

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[Siverprobegt]

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[josh green]

You do realize that 245 at the crank is 209 at the wheels given only 15% drivetrain loss.....?

Shit, that's pretty much some cams and pistons in a bseries! AND 300 lbs is a LOT of weight to have to deal with. 300lbs hurts in acceleration, braking AND cornering!

JG already said it best - if you want a cruiser, a nice daily driver for a secretary, then get a prelude.

If you want potential, and tons of aftermarket support, get an integra.

Fuck the SH crap! I'd rather have a REAL LSD!

^^^^^^^^^ This is coming from someone who actually races their car. 300lbs in a naturally aspirated setup is A LOT of weight, especially in a 4 cylinder. This is a long debated argument and the prelude owners will be extremely biased. Obviously honda felt the integra was a better chassis b/c they raced it.... They raced the accords, and not ever the ludes. back in 2000 and 2001 who wouldnt have bought a ITR over the lude? Same power, less weight, better handling, better braking and now worth much more for resale.

[patrick4588]

i have owned a 98 prelude sh and i currently own a gsr. i prefer the gsr. everyone will have their own opinion on everything. stock for stock, the prelude has more torque, but in the quarter mile i believe the gsr would win. the prelude does not have the gearing to be a fast track car. now a h2b prelude is a nasty setup. i find my gsr more fun to drive than the prelude was. just something about it feels better. the rpms seem to rev more freely and to me its just more fun. i have more suspension work on my gsr than i did to the prelude so im not going to comment on which would handle better because i dont know how the prelude would do with the same modifications. i do know that i got a lot of body roll on the prelude however. i like the way the integra's look a little bit better; but both are well designed vehicles.

[kyx]

Well I currently own a lude, the only thing i like in a gs r is that you can get as a 4door sedan. But for the American roads and highways torquer engine is better. Also the styling of the lude is incredible even tough its a 10year old design it still looks better then most of the cars on the road, also as you know Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear stated that the 5th gen prelude is the best looking Japanese car for its time.

I own a SH, but unfortunately one of the atts oil sensors is broken so haven't filed whats it like, (new sensors is around $240), I dont track my car so I can live without it.

Any ways to make a prelude a good handling car all you need is a good set of shocks and spring and a rear sway bar and its going to out corner a gsr with the same modes any days. I currently have Koni Yellows and Eibach Pro's and that thing is on rails. No engine modifications for the h22 since its kind of pointless you can never get as much as power as the bolt ons on a b18..


so basically my opinion on this topic is if you dont have alot of money and you like boltons buy a gsr, if you have slightly more money buy a lude enjoy the looks and spend some money on quality good parts.

btw, you know a guy on pp.com and honda-tech pulled 343 horses I believe on a 130k engine with a custum turbo kit, stock block and head. <---- it was something like this...

[Benefit]

prelude's are some of sexiest looking cars on the road...stock.

[Crazy Asian]

Hmm not sure. Gonna go see him this following week. He supposed to have that Type S with 5 Speed LSD. Said he's throwing out everything for a stroker kit but like I called him a couple of minutes ago and said he's now uncertain. BTW my bad 245 at the WHP.

I think this guy know what he's doing since he had a TT Supra with 6 Speed. Gave that up. Went to a Type R. He liked it but the suspension is what he really didnt like. He told me the suspension was way too firm for his liking. So he swapped it and did everything still not his liking. So he bought a Honda Civic. So while he was driving that junk for a while. He was seriously thinking about going into the mod scene again...so he bought a Prelude. All I know if I remember correctly a lot of the parts on the car are extremely rare and hard to find. That SMSP header my bad its a Hytec header and it got something else. I ono were gonna dyno it when I get down there. He needs to retune and what not. Ill get back to you on how much he's putting.

[Crazy Asian]

Oh and also funny thing. He told me he was gonna buy a GS-R and just tinker around with it but gave up since it looked like frog. LOL though he was gonna swap in a K20...I'm actually thinking that may have been a better idea since those engines are fucking amazing with just minor mods.

Also it maybe I'm more biased to looks then performance. GS-R too me looks nasty. I can't stand it. Prelude's on the other hands looks oh so clean. Combined when dropped I'll take that any day then a GS-R. I think I'm not a speed aficiando. When I get more money we'll see. But so far I've concluded I'm just gonna keep the Lude until I'm ready for nicer car...and so far eh.

Oh and I was looking online seeing wtf performance parts are there for B18....omg...nm. LOL

[sshonda2004]

go with the lude, my patna got a prelude sh and i seen him take a gsr

[Benefit]

sshonda2004 , you have a honda but your the drift king?

[{X}Echo419]

When I had my GS-R it had KYB's and sprint springs along with some proformance mods.
anyways, when I'd go to the moutians with my S2000 friends I would keep up with or leave some of them. that thing handled like nobody's business. of course I was driving so that was a factor.

[2DR_JEEEZER]

i take the gs-r, cuz i have one! =p

[OneSlow5pt0]

the last gen prelude is the only honda i can deal with

[NAG2I]

driven and ridin in gsr's.
havn't done either in a prelude.

imo preludes looks done compare to integras.
just me though.
preludes to me aren't the ones for building into race cars.
they are big and weigh to much imo

way better prices on everything for integras too

anyways just my 2 cents.

[OnURleft]

I believe car and driver rated the Prelude SH the best handeling car in the United States for under $25,000 in 1997.. for all of you that suggest its a boat hah your way off....
However, I'd still go with the GSR as i've riden in some Type R's, GSR's etc and autocrossed a few and their weight and tossability make them specatular. They are a blast to track and easier to mod.

[eltravieso]

GSR bro.....but dats jus me... i have minor mods and still killin sum ludes out there.....take it how u feel

[SH22]

Hey i read your post and i too have a Lud3. And just to clear things up your
prelude comes with 195 hp.See 99-01 preludes came with 200 hp, 97 &98 did not. I have a 2001 prelude SH and a/b 2 months ago i was driving up 85N and ran it2 a GsR(alright)
We hit it 4rm shalloeford rd to pleasnthill, i took him all the way. I had my brother in the car with me and he was alone. I only have a short ram intake and a "12" sub.The guy said he was all stock. Now you tell me do you think weight really matters or dose it not?

[Ludester]

stock for stock a fifth gen has a little edge on the gsr. the quater mile times has the prelude winning by .1 or .2 seconds. They are both great cars. Prelude is a little more roomy and the teggy looks like it's begging for more power.

I've owned a sh lude. If you do decide to go with the lude over the gsr and plan on doing modifications I wouldn't get the SH. I would get the base model. the SH tranny starts acting up when you hit about 170-180 ft/tq. yeah... Quiet contrary to what people say about horse power but the horse power has nothing to do with ATTS. It has to do with torque. that's why it's called active torque transfer system. The funny thing is this system only works when you're basically about to die anyways. It also can be tricked by rain very easily because of the slippery conditions; causing the car to over steer a bit.

just my 2 cents


edit: The sh will out handle a gsr any day stock for stock. Ofcourse you can upgrade any cars suspension to be superior but out the box only the teggy type r handles better.

[_Christian_]

i have driven both and they prelude is a much better handling car, looks better, and is faster. i had a 97 prelude base model with KONI adj shocks, neuspeed springs, neuspeed front and rear sway bars, and a neuspeed strut bar. it drove on rails. here's what she looked like:

[Ludester]

I have kyb shocks with eiboch pro kit, type s strut bar and I handle wonderfully. I don't get any body roll. I read in a previous post where someone said preludes have body roll like accords but that's certainly not the case. You really have to drive one to really know.

[koukis14]

Go with the Prelude. I hate Hondas and I want one.

[AnthonyF]

LUDE!! they are a little more rare and the few i see running up and down buford hwy have a loud ass riced out muffler.

i love the look of the 97+ lude.

my biggest con for the lude is that it is FWD. They made the rears so larger from 92+ that it looks like a RWD car.

[manilikecars]

Oh and one of the seats not shown is the rare Type S seats which are nearly impossible to find. Too bad i found some and buying. XD!!!!

i hate you just kidding. I want those seats so bad maybe i can just copy them. Whats up with those blue ones in the jap mag man. UGLY!!

[manilikecars]

ok maybe i am way off here but even though the ATTS lets both wheels spin its nothing like a lsd. The lsd makes both wheels spin at the same time where the atts put more power to the wheel to help the car grip. Its a steering system. My bud has a lsd in his rsx and i have seen it slid when he is hard in it in curves because the wheels are spinning at the same rate and they slide instead of grip. ATTS for the curves and LSD for the launches.

[manilikecars]

TRYMY4.0 - i love the yellow lens in the grill, looks bad ass

oh and my pics for the GSR vs. Prelude. Depends on what i was doing. Love my car but the GSR has more mods. But love my car because its not as common.

[allmotoronly]

I personally have owned and modded both. If you want something that you can mod for cheap, go with the GSR, if you want to go for power, go with the prelude.

My prelude had the SiR S-Spec engine, and like my97lude said, it would rape a ITR. I would not go with a prelude SH. The ATTS adds about 250lbs and does nothing that an aftermarket LSD or a jdm LSD tranny wouldn't fix, without the weight. It is also not a good idea if you plan on adding more power. the ATTS units have a reputation for failure under additional power. anything more than about 240whp and dont expect the ATTS unit to last more than 10 or 15k miles.

I currently have a GSR and parts for the engine and body are much cheaper. My only problem is the extreme lack of torque compared to the H22A.

[Frög]

duh! prelude.. why 4 pages of this? didnt even need to start a thread.. cmon..

[Benefit]

exactly, i hate hondas and prelude would be the only honda i would own

[o_bomb]

duh! prelude.. why 4 pages of this? didnt even need to start a thread.. cmon..

LOL!!! get the big block

[OneSlow5pt0]

exactly, i hate hondas and prelude would be the only honda i would own

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[Nippon]

ludes are slow as hell handling wise, i've seen some try to go fast in the mountains and it just did'nt work out, bodyroll galore on those !!!!

Ludes are slow as hell handling wise???? Muhuhuhahahahaaaaaaaaa

[o_bomb]

then get sway bars and more rubber!!

[IndianStig]

Preludes are the superior sub 30k honda.

The regular honda/acrua owner won't see that.

Mod the cars, mod for mod, the prelude is better. I drive a 4th Gen Prelude with an h22. I get GSR's trying to fuck around with me all the time. I stay in 3rd and 4th gear and kick their ass, low-mid range TQ FTMFW, oh yeah, my top end power gives me the jump on S2k's untill 90, so thats not a area of lack luster either.

Prelude FTW.

Omar, you got a PM.

[Jkuao]

Wow, I could have sworn it was 1997 all over again. Haven't gotten into a Prelude v. GS-R argument since around then. What's next a Civic Si v. Prelude argument? Celica GT-S pissing match? Regardless they run 15's in the quarter and .8's in the skidpad and blow up when you mod them. If you're buying it to mod, a standard WRX would beat the crap out of any of them. If you're buying it for commuting the GS-R gets better mileage and the hatch holds more. If you like the coupe style, solid handling, and low end torque get the Prelude. Regardless, the punk thieves make your insurance expensive as does the morons who decide to race them out on the streets.

Loved my '99 Prelude but they're are better and faster cars out there. Got tired of worrying about the bitch ass thieves who ought to get curbed.

[B0snian]

Integras are Orgasm Cars.

[_Christian_]

^lies.