What do you think?

[sport_122]

This isn't evidence for an afterlife. It is evidence that religions understand a promise of reward/punishment helps to change behaviors.

One of the main purposes of religion is to answer the scary and difficult questions in life in order to make people feel better or more comfortable. If a religion claimed there were no afterlife it sure would be harder to control people's behaviour.

Even though I don't necessarily agree I will concede there are legitimate paranormal phenomenon for the sake of argument. That still doesn't prove an afterlife. We certainly don't understand such phenomena (if they exist at all) so I think it's rather premature to use them to claim it proves an afterlife. For example, it could be a lingering energy thats like a snapshot of a person's thoughts before they died. It hardly proves they still have consciousness. Also, there is absolutely no reason to believe its for eternity either.

Gary Schwartz's study demonstrated that something is left of the consciousness of people who are deceased. He of course gets flaked for it because it is not mainstream, but none-the-less he provided hard data that when looked at objectively makes a good case for something going on that is legitimate.

Also, the idea of whether or not there is an eternity is a different discussion, we can go into that too, but I thought this thread was simply about what we thought happens when you die. Even if that afterlife is only for a couple of moments to a couple of decades there is still something left to be understood about what makes us who we are.

Humans are physical, mental, and spiritual. We possess something that cannot be measured through hard science and numbers because these things transcend the physical. To understand their existence and to define them scientifically are two different things. I am suggesting that there is life...I am not suggesting that we have been able to scientifically pen the specifics of the transition into that life after life.

[BABY J]

Humans are physical, mental, and spiritual. We possess something that cannot be measured through hard science and numbers because these things transcend the physical. To understand their existence and to define them scientifically are two different things. I am suggesting that there is life...I am not suggesting that we have been able to scientifically pen the specifics of the transition into that life after life.

Where is your proof that all humans are spiritual???

[sport_122]

Where is your proof that all humans are spiritual???

as always, nobody can prove anything to anyone. The evidence is listed numerous times in these threads. Our greater connection to one another, research demonstrating a spiritual existence of people long deceased...if you want to look for evidence and you are serious there are TON of resources at your local bookstore, google, etc etc...but the evidence of a great human character that is not physical is plentiful to say the least.

[BABY J]

as always, nobody can prove anything to anyone. The evidence is listed numerous times in these threads. Our greater connection to one another, research demonstrating a spiritual existence of people long deceased...if you want to look for evidence and you are serious there are TON of resources at your local bookstore, google, etc etc...but the evidence of a great human character that is not physical is plentiful to say the least.

So you have none. Ok.

[sport_122]

So you have none. Ok.

Because I know that you have read plenty of my post before, I will just leave this comment as it is...with all the stuff I have posted in these threads evidence is plentiful enough. It takes a man who is humble enough to say "I want to really look into this" to get off is butt and dig into it to see what it is really saying. I know you are more than capable of that.

A man who is not even OPEN to changing his "beliefs" may as well join a cult. That is a slick slope to be on.

for all you band-wagoneers this goes both ways. I have always said that if someone can provide good logical evidence that shows me that the resurrection of Christ did not happen and that transcendent things do not exist then I could recant my faith. But good luck on that because the very thing that I mention to you has be proven to me and the evidence is so great that my faith is strong and no other world view has successfully stood the test of time, and ages as that of the Judeo-Christian world view.

[The Ren]

Because I know that you have read plenty of my post before, I will just leave this comment as it is...with all the stuff I have posted in these threads evidence is plentiful enough. It takes a man who is humble enough to say "I want to really look into this" to get off is butt and dig into it to see what it is really saying. I know you are more than capable of that.



for all you band-wagoneers this goes both ways. I have always said that if someone can provide good logical evidence that shows me that the resurrection of Christ did not happen and that transcendent things do not exist then I could recant my faith. But good luck on that because the very thing that I mention to you has be proven to me and the evidence is so great that my faith is strong and no other world view has successfully stood the test of time, and ages as that of the Judeo-Christian world view.

I for one am not a band-wagoner.. I come from a very very long line of jews.. cohens to be exact (which were the high priests back in the "olden days") and I dont believe in jesus as being the son of g-d or the messiah.. I believe the messiah hasnt come yet. I have plenty of proof of my beliefs.. and those in my family who fought and died for our beliefs. Just like the tattoo my great grandfather had branded on him against his will, and those of my family who died unable to escape. But I am VERY tolerant of others beliefs.. heck my boyfriend isnt jewish. I still love him and he still loves me.. I will never push my beliefs on him and he would never push his beliefs on me.

[bu villain]

Gary Schwartz's study demonstrated that something is left of the consciousness of people who are deceased. He of course gets flaked for it because it is not mainstream, but none-the-less he provided hard data that when looked at objectively makes a good case for something going on that is legitimate.

Link to said study? I would be interested in reading it.

[sport_122]

Link to said study? I would be interested in reading it.

this is a synopsis. You can get the finer details of the study. Of course there are still the skeptics, but read his research for yourself to determine whether or not you think his team covered the bases.

The studies are continuing under a new name.

also Victor Zammit. check him out. he offered a challenge to skeptics to join him is study. A challenge of which nobody stepped up to.

but anyway.

http://www.thepsychictimes.com/artic...fter_death.htm

[bu villain]

this is a synopsis. You can get the finer details of the study. Of course there are still the skeptics, but read his research for yourself to determine whether or not you think his team covered the bases.

The studies are continuing under a new name.

also Victor Zammit. check him out. he offered a challenge to skeptics to join him is study. A challenge of which nobody stepped up to.

but anyway.

http://www.thepsychictimes.com/artic...fter_death.htm

It's interesting but the article gave almost no details of how the study was performed. I really need to see the actual report from the study to see if there is any validity. From the synopsis it seems like its proving some people can get information through a sort of telepathic like link but I'm not sure what about the study shows that dead people are the ones communicating. For example, if you get a letter from a person and they die before it reaches you, it doesn't mean you are receiving messages from the afterlife. Anyways, I won't judge until I see the report, if I can find it.