gwinett county cop tazer a guy to death

[David88vert]

Well homework was done on this topic:
This individual had a lethal amount of PCP, Cocaine, and heroin.
He fought so hard they cuffed him and then had to shackle his legs.
he died while fighting, punching, kicking, and biting anything he could, in the end he wounded 3 officers. he went hanibal lecter on one of them, sending them to the hospital.
regardless the police had to maintain the upper hand but PCP.... google that **** for yourself and see the effects, ie. strength, rage, hallucinations....
sucks that he died but hey, you get all that **** in you and see how you hold up...
police were in possesion of him when he died however. all that **** at the end of the video is biased. and i myself have been tazered, over 20 times... 45,000 volts and 26,000 volts....roomates.... its really not that bad

Do some more homework, as you are a moron.

Frederick Jerome Williams, 31, a Liberian native who lived in Lawrenceville, died of brain damage from a heart attack after the altercation in May, according to the final autopsy report in the case. But investigators at the Gwinnett County medical examiner''s office were not able to determine what caused Williams'' heart attack, according to the report.
The medical examiner did not find drugs in his system but reported finding bruising on his body and five burns on his chest attributed to the Taser gun.
Are we supposed to believe that a healthy 31-year-old black man who was athletic, who did not drink or do drugs, who had no history of heart problems, somehow died of a heart attack?



Williams' autopsy results were similar to those released after the death of inmate Ray Austin after a scuffle with deputies at the Gwinnett jail in September 2003.

Austin was shocked three times with a Taser, medicated with psychotropic drugs and restrained in a chair during the incident. Austin, who bit off part of a deputy''s ear, lost consciousness shortly afterward.

The medical examiner ruled that Austin died of a heart attack but could not determine what caused his heart failure.

A settlement made in December, 2006 by officials in Gwinnett County, Georgia, is one of the first reports of compensation handed over to the family of a a Taser death victim. The details of this report only recently surfaced, because officials did not allow a public vote or discussion on the matter and restricted all parties involved from revealing any information about the settlement. In the settlement, the family received an amount of $100,000 from the county to end a wrongful-death lawsuit.



Now, let me tase you 5 times in less than a minute....

[Turbo04]

Do some more homework, as you are a moron.

Frederick Jerome Williams, 31, a Liberian native who lived in Lawrenceville, died of brain damage from a heart attack after the altercation in May, according to the final autopsy report in the case. But investigators at the Gwinnett County medical examiner''s office were not able to determine what caused Williams'' heart attack, according to the report.
The medical examiner did not find drugs in his system but reported finding bruising on his body and five burns on his chest attributed to the Taser gun.
Are we supposed to believe that a healthy 31-year-old black man who was athletic, who did not drink or do drugs, who had no history of heart problems, somehow died of a heart attack?



Williams' autopsy results were similar to those released after the death of inmate Ray Austin after a scuffle with deputies at the Gwinnett jail in September 2003.

Austin was shocked three times with a Taser, medicated with psychotropic drugs and restrained in a chair during the incident. Austin, who bit off part of a deputy''s ear, lost consciousness shortly afterward.

The medical examiner ruled that Austin died of a heart attack but could not determine what caused his heart failure.

A settlement made in December, 2006 by officials in Gwinnett County, Georgia, is one of the first reports of compensation handed over to the family of a a Taser death victim. The details of this report only recently surfaced, because officials did not allow a public vote or discussion on the matter and restricted all parties involved from revealing any information about the settlement. In the settlement, the family received an amount of $100,000 from the county to end a wrongful-death lawsuit.




Now, let me tase you 5 times in less than a minute....

I doubt that strongly, supposedly the family was even claiming that his "meds" were causing him to act that way. If you want to go on what the family said then by all means if his "meds" were causing him to act out in such a violent way then it's entirely possible that his "meds" caused his heart attack.
If you want to go with the "official" report, then why would a seemingly healthy, athletic drug free man go ape **** like that, long before any police showed up, and continue to do so after the first officers arrived? Is it not possible that what ever was wrong with him at the time caused such strain on his heart that it gave out? I mean he wasn't exactly acting normal now was he. I think this is a case where there is way more going on behind the scenes that anyone knows. It's all nice and good to say the tazer killed him, but somehow I strongly doubt that. I think the issue is compounded due to the fact that he was black, and the majourity of the officers involved were white.

[David88vert]

I doubt that strongly, supposedly the family was even claiming that his "meds" were causing him to act that way. If you want to go on what the family said then by all means if his "meds" were causing him to act out in such a violent way then it's entirely possible that his "meds" caused his heart attack.
If you want to go with the "official" report, then why would a seemingly healthy, athletic drug free man go ape **** like that, long before any police showed up, and continue to do so after the first officers arrived? Is it not possible that what ever was wrong with him at the time caused such strain on his heart that it gave out? I mean he wasn't exactly acting normal now was he. I think this is a case where there is way more going on behind the scenes that anyone knows. It's all nice and good to say the tazer killed him, but somehow I strongly doubt that. I think the issue is compounded due to the fact that he was black, and the majourity of the officers involved were white.

All of the information came from the autopsy report. It is public record. His family claimed that he did not take his medication, thus his behavior. Regardless, that many cops had him in an enclosed area, and were obviously in control of him. There is no reason for a potentially lethal use of force.

If a person has been struggling for a prolonged period, and has an elevated heart rate, then that is all the more reason not to use a device that could potentially kill them. Common sense for a "trained law enforcement officer".

[Turbo04]

All of the information came from the autopsy report. It is public record. His family claimed that he did not take his medication, thus his behavior. Regardless, that many cops had him in an enclosed area, and were obviously in control of him. There is no reason for a potentially lethal use of force.

If a person has been struggling for a prolonged period, and has an elevated heart rate, then that is all the more reason not to use a device that could potentially kill them. Common sense for a "trained law enforcement officer".

Seems to me because he had been struggling like that for that period of time is exactly why they used the tazer in that manner. Going on your logic, if the suspect or whatever struggles long enough, then he should'nt have to fear a tazing because his heart rate is elevated? Regardless if they had him in an enclosed area or not, him struggling like that is not only a danger to the police, but also himself (although not really realevant any more is it?). Like I said earlier, its really easy for us to sit here after the fact and pass judgement, but none of us were there and the video will only show us one part of the story, mainly whatever the person who realeased the video wants us to see. It's quite obvious this isn't some mass orchestrated murder, it was an accident and until someone proof surfaces that the tazer is what killed him I will still believe that it was a case of the bad judgement on the police's part and they happened to taze the wrong person at the wrong time. If in fact he had NOT taken his medicine for what his ailment, then the stress of what was going on could very well have killed him, not the tazer. Everyone is so quick to put the blame on police everytime something happens, but the fact remains that they did not go to his house and stop him from taking his meds did they? Wouldn't that have been the catalyst that set off this unfortunate situation?

[David88vert]

Seems to me because he had been struggling like that for that period of time is exactly why they used the tazer in that manner. Going on your logic, if the suspect or whatever struggles long enough, then he should'nt have to fear a tazing because his heart rate is elevated? Regardless if they had him in an enclosed area or not, him struggling like that is not only a danger to the police, but also himself (although not really realevant any more is it?). Like I said earlier, its really easy for us to sit here after the fact and pass judgement, but none of us were there and the video will only show us one part of the story, mainly whatever the person who realeased the video wants us to see. It's quite obvious this isn't some mass orchestrated murder, it was an accident and until someone proof surfaces that the tazer is what killed him I will still believe that it was a case of the bad judgement on the police's part and they happened to taze the wrong person at the wrong time. If in fact he had NOT taken his medicine for what his ailment, then the stress of what was going on could very well have killed him, not the tazer. Everyone is so quick to put the blame on police everytime something happens, but the fact remains that they did not go to his house and stop him from taking his meds did they? Wouldn't that have been the catalyst that set off this unfortunate situation?

Let's see - the police released the video.
3 dead in Gwinnett alone in the last 3 years.
Multiple people dead in the US under very similar circumstances.
And you can't see a pattern?
You shouldn't use a device that is potentially lethal if the person is not a danger to you. Read the law. If someone has a baseball bat and is threatening to bash my car windows in while standing in my yard, I cannot legally shoot him. These cops were not afraild for their lives, and had no reason to need to use this amount of force.

Again, 5 times in under a minute? Do you realize that a Taser puts out an electrical charge? Do you realize that your heart is triggered by electrical charges? Common sense, people.

Watch the video again and show me one reason why they even needed to tase him to begin with. That many officers involved, and already in a room in the jail, and they needed to tase him? Again, common sense.

[Turbo04]

Let's see - the police released the video.
3 dead in Gwinnett alone in the last 3 years.
Multiple people dead in the US under very similar circumstances.
And you can't see a pattern?
You shouldn't use a device that is potentially lethal if the person is not a danger to you. Read the law. If someone has a baseball bat and is threatening to bash my car windows in while standing in my yard, I cannot legally shoot him. These cops were not afraild for their lives, and had no reason to need to use this amount of force.

Again, 5 times in under a minute? Do you realize that a Taser puts out an electrical charge? Do you realize that your heart is triggered by electrical charges? Common sense, people.

Watch the video again and show me one reason why they even needed to tase him to begin with. That many officers involved, and already in a room in the jail, and they needed to tase him? Again, common sense.

I'm not defending the police's actions as right, I agree 5 times in under a minute is excessive. All I am saying is while we can see the out come now, at the time and heat of the moment whoever had the tazer made a bad decision to use it that many times. I'm saying I doubt they were intetionly trying to kill him. You cannot however pull the common sense thing out, look at it from their perspective. Here they have an indivual who has already injured another officer, struggling like that. Regardless of how many officers were there if somone is struggling like that they can injure themselves just as easliy as any of the other officers. I'm my book if someone is reacting that way, and they will not calm down, that is every reason to taze them. Isn't that what the tazer is for? To subdue an individual while not doing any long term damage? Hell I think the tazer was an infinately better idea then bullets.....that could've been an option as well.Even if the tazer happens to kill people occasionaly, it's still far less then guns do. I just refuse to join in with the "bash the police" comments when they are not needed. Show me where they were found guilty in a court of law of murder and I'll join in with bashing them. Thats just it though, they aren't. Some bad choices accidently led to a mans death (even that is a stretch cause the autopsy was inconclusive). Dosen't make them heartless murders. Why can't some of you on here view street racing with the same type of annimosity as this? (I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just a general tone to some things posted on the board.)

[David88vert]

I'm not defending the police's actions as right, I agree 5 times in under a minute is excessive. All I am saying is while we can see the out come now, at the time and heat of the moment whoever had the tazer made a bad decision to use it that many times. I'm saying I doubt they were intetionly trying to kill him. You cannot however pull the common sense thing out, look at it from their perspective. Here they have an indivual who has already injured another officer, struggling like that. Regardless of how many officers were there if somone is struggling like that they can injure themselves just as easliy as any of the other officers. I'm my book if someone is reacting that way, and they will not calm down, that is every reason to taze them. Isn't that what the tazer is for? To subdue an individual while not doing any long term damage? Hell I think the tazer was an infinately better idea then bullets.....that could've been an option as well.Even if the tazer happens to kill people occasionaly, it's still far less then guns do. I just refuse to join in with the "bash the police" comments when they are not needed. Show me where they were found guilty in a court of law of murder and I'll join in with bashing them. Thats just it though, they aren't. Some bad choices accidently led to a mans death (even that is a stretch cause the autopsy was inconclusive). Dosen't make them heartless murders. Why can't some of you on here view street racing with the same type of annimosity as this? (I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just a general tone to some things posted on the board.)

If I kill someone accidentally, I go to jail for manslaughter (not murder). Because these guys were cops, and specifically because they were cops, they were not charged to begin with. It's the blue wall.

Think of it this way. If someone was acting crazy and appeared to be a danger to people in the mall, and you and I (as security guards) held the person, had them covered, and then tasered and killed them, do you think that we would be facing manslaughter charges, or do you think that they would say it was the dead man's fault (like in this case)? Be real. We aren't cops, so we would get locked up.