The argument for the car being around 15-16k new is valid. You end up with someone who would have other wise bought a Dodge Neon ending up with a car that has actual potential. Once they get their washer nozzle lights and a few interior neons they are done modding the car. Because of that, unfortunatly ,the spec v tends to be a moron magnet, you just happend to meet one @ plesant hill and 85.