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    Quote Originally Posted by namahs
    Smart anwser yet again, you are really impressing me now. So are you going to fight someone in you weight class in the ring at a gym, the legal way witha LEGAL crowd or are you going to pull this back alley shit.
    again..n i hate to keep picking on you.. but this whole wight class shit is for pussies.. u might as well be saying...

    "will, i know you'll beat my ass, so fight one of my bigger friends"

    your a bitch..



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    Quote Originally Posted by namahs
    I can't believe it eithier. I can't believe that you don't know the half of it. I can't believe that you cant defend yourself anymore. I can't believe that so many people just take shit from other people and don't do anything about it. Really there is one line that sums it up.

    WILL IS WRONG AND WE ARE RIGHT.

    Sorry if you don't agree, if you don't agree then you probibly don't know the whole story.

    Spare me on being unprofessional, we moved beyond that when he tod tracy he was going to fuck her on the bathroom floor and feed her cheeseburgers. Go look for that thread, that was a good one. Email paul if its deleted, maybee he can email it to you if you ask nice.
    its the internet dude..... get over it



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    alright... i read every post up to 241 n i got sik of reading this shit.....




    but my 2 cents is this.... none of u are right in this situation...

    WILL to come on the net after the fact is a pussy ass thing to do and a pussy ass way to call them out..

    I understand the cop and the in public thing.. but still man.. u got bitched out.. n your bak on the net talkin shit!!!! thats fuccin homo for real...





    n dan or whomever u r that i keep commenting on.. you really made yourself look bad in this thread, your posts are all pretty ignorant... u lack sense man.. as a fellow business owner i must say that u solely represent or control the representation of your company... n u my friend are doing a very poor job....i think it is safe to say that after this incident your shops name is going to be forever tarnished.... not by everyone, but 1 person tells a 1 person hoo tells 2 people n next thing you know your out of an entire market.... n for that you fucced up, n u cant repair it at this point...


    matt aka big baller... im not gonna rag on u too much.. mostly because i think your a cool guy n well, i want your business..lol! when r we gonna get together on some shit man..


    but seriously, i respect your stance on the matter... out of everyone it seems like u were the only real man hoo stuck to his guns the entire time... but at the same time.. this shit really aint worth it, i know your better than that.. just count your money and smile brotha.....



    tracy, even though u havent posted in this thread, i know your a gangsta, this shit dont surprise me outta u.. n well fellas let this be a lesson to you all, if you talk shit to anyone who is well, more or less defensless against u.. whether it be a smaller person or a female.. be prepared to have them even the odds a lil!!! tracy did no wrong in my eyes, she was just being a female!!!


    will- im not sticking up for you.. i really dont like u, n if i was there i would have been in the BG crew b4 yours... u deserve an ass whoopin for all the shit u talk..




    what sux is that this is a business against one person.. n well, its all petty internet drama bullshit..

    i really think that all u haters on here hoo are on the speedmonley bandwagon need to mind your own business..... BG does good work from all that i hear, compared to alot of the other shops they have a great reputation, so dont tarnish their rep because u have heard one side of the story ... especially when its all.. he said, she said bullshit over something petty like e-thugging....


    i still think dan lacks judgement and isnt very smart.. i think hes luky to have trace holdin it down for him...

    tracy when your ready for a real man hit me up momma!!!






    alright, its 630 n i just got bak from the club.. imma crash n get undrunk in time to make it to work by 930... holla people..



    n admins.. i think this thread should be HARD DELETED..



    thats all .. nite nite for me.. mornin to yall, holla
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    I have to agree with Will (Speedmonkey) I don't give a shit who says they won't jump in if one of there freinds is getting there ass beat there is always some pussy that will come up behind you and hit you from behind. I have been in this situation before and it happen so I know. Will offered to meet them somewhere so just get it over with. I have met will a couple of times and met dan once or twice let them fight I'm sure Dan can defend himself just fine .

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    I've only known Will to be a genuinely great guy....and can understand his frustrations with BG..I have had the same feelings toward's a select few of them but there are others of the BG crew that are good people. I must say that the bad ones have tried to change there ways toward me but the wounds run too deep and I have nothing good to say. I have gone through the same feelings as Will but there comes a point where you know its not worth it and if they don't bother me I don't bother them. Will's a man and can handle this situation on his own and I would only expect the same of BG.

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    I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF STARTING MORE SHIT ONLINE AFTER YOU GOT PUNKED ALREADY... THATS JUST GAY. I'M FRIENDS W/ BOTH PARTYS INVOLVED AND IF YOUR GOING TO TALK SHIT FUCKING PUT UP OR SHUT UP, BE EXPECTING AN ASS BEATING WHERE EVER YOU ARE.

    WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT 1 ON 1 OR FUCKING IN THE RING, THAT ISN'T REAL LIFE... REAL LIFE YOU GOING TO GET WHATS COMING TO YOU NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE OR WHO YOU ROLL WITH.

    I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE GET ON AND BASH SHOPS THEN THINK ITS FUNNY... WELL ITS NOT TO FUNNY WHEN THEY ARE IN YOUR FACE. MORAL OF THE STORY IS BE PREPAIRED TO BACK UP YOUR MOUTH. THIS SHIT IS JUST GAY NOW.

    WILL - YOU GOT PUNKED, YOU AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT, CRASH AND BURN, LIVE AND LEARN
    BG - YOU GOT HIM IT WAS FUNNY LETS DROP THIS SHIT
    H8TERS - FUCK OFF, IT WAS A FUNNY LAUGH AND GROW SOME BALLS
    EVERYONE ELSE - ENJOY THE DRAMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ct9a gsr
    I'm surpised the usual pro-BG-no-matter-what crew of worthless whoreslounge cheerleaders aren't here to turn this thread into a pile of nothing... I'm sure they'll be here in the morning though, lol...

    On a serious/professional note... it seems that not just a couple but quite a few ppl who were neutral to the whole pro/hate BG factions have now lost so much respect for BG after this event that many of them have crossed into the hate-BG faction. I guess actions speak louder than words...

    On a second serious note... a lot of people legally carry firearms... quite a few Speedmonkey / Phatboy & IA members in general carry firearms frequently, legally. I'm sure everyone's read Ruiner's advice on the new bill allowing civilians to draw and fire upon someone if they see them as a threat to harm themselves or another in public. I'm not saying anyone would have shot someone at the Varsity... but the possibility of it happening isn't exactly low either.

    Its a good thing that no one drew first blood... it could have been the last blood they'd draw before their own. (Did that sound cool? I think so... haha)

    On a less serious note... ninjas are cool and real ninjas fight with katanas and shirukens... and sometimes fireballs.
    It might be true to a point but believe if you are part of a instagating fight and pull a gun you are screwed. Two all this candy ass bullshit is stupid. Will I know you and you do talk a lot of shit, and you have met Tracy what about two or maybe three times and then you declared you dont like her. So that really doesnt make sense. I could care less who carries a gun around I do to, so that comment is worthless. But If anyone thinks they are hard and really wants to fight shit call me, I am down for it all. If ya pull a gun for a fight to me you are a bitch unless the other party is carrying a gun
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    Being punked out would be would be avoiding meets all together, there is no cowardice in not fighting.. that stupidity could have ruined the meets at the varsity period.

    I am amazed that one mans opinion caused all of this, for someone not to like Will they surely give him a lot of attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    Being punked out would be would be avoiding meets all together, there is no cowardice in not fighting.. that stupidity could have ruined the meets at the varsity period.

    I am amazed that one mans opinion caused all of this, for someone not to like Will they surely give him a lot of attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF STARTING MORE SHIT ONLINE AFTER YOU GOT PUNKED ALREADY... THATS JUST GAY. I'M FRIENDS W/ BOTH PARTYS INVOLVED AND IF YOUR GOING TO TALK SHIT FUCKING PUT UP OR SHUT UP, BE EXPECTING AN ASS BEATING WHERE EVER YOU ARE.

    WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT 1 ON 1 OR FUCKING IN THE RING, THAT ISN'T REAL LIFE... REAL LIFE YOU GOING TO GET WHATS COMING TO YOU NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE OR WHO YOU ROLL WITH.

    I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE GET ON AND BASH SHOPS THEN THINK ITS FUNNY... WELL ITS NOT TO FUNNY WHEN THEY ARE IN YOUR FACE. MORAL OF THE STORY IS BE PREPAIRED TO BACK UP YOUR MOUTH. THIS SHIT IS JUST GAY NOW.

    WILL - YOU GOT PUNKED, YOU AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT, CRASH AND BURN, LIVE AND LEARN
    BG - YOU GOT HIM IT WAS FUNNY LETS DROP THIS SHIT
    H8TERS - FUCK OFF, IT WAS A FUNNY LAUGH AND GROW SOME BALLS
    EVERYONE ELSE - ENJOY THE DRAMA

    so you are ok with a sponsor instigating a fight at a sanctioned IA event? if this is the case.. ban me now.... cuz i wont support IA at all at any event if this is the type of behavior that is allowed from sponsors.

    bg wanted to make an example out of will... well, they should be made the example now....

    as for will getting punked... i guess thats in the eye of the beholder. if im gonna fight and im not drunk enough to be stupid enough to do it in front of cop..... that aint being a pussy and that aint getting punked especially if its a girl doing all the talking...


    i wasn't there so im basing everything off 2nd hand info...

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF STARTING MORE SHIT ONLINE AFTER YOU GOT PUNKED ALREADY... THATS JUST GAY. I'M FRIENDS W/ BOTH PARTYS INVOLVED AND IF YOUR GOING TO TALK SHIT FUCKING PUT UP OR SHUT UP, BE EXPECTING AN ASS BEATING WHERE EVER YOU ARE.

    WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT 1 ON 1 OR FUCKING IN THE RING, THAT ISN'T REAL LIFE... REAL LIFE YOU GOING TO GET WHATS COMING TO YOU NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE OR WHO YOU ROLL WITH.

    I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE GET ON AND BASH SHOPS THEN THINK ITS FUNNY... WELL ITS NOT TO FUNNY WHEN THEY ARE IN YOUR FACE. MORAL OF THE STORY IS BE PREPAIRED TO BACK UP YOUR MOUTH. THIS SHIT IS JUST GAY NOW.

    WILL - YOU GOT PUNKED, YOU AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT, CRASH AND BURN, LIVE AND LEARN
    BG - YOU GOT HIM IT WAS FUNNY LETS DROP THIS SHIT
    H8TERS - FUCK OFF, IT WAS A FUNNY LAUGH AND GROW SOME BALLS
    EVERYONE ELSE - ENJOY THE DRAMA
    You know I don't give a shit about this whole situation going on....but you support BG in having them ruin one of the few meets that we have left??? What if I was there??? I have a carrying permit. It definatley would've gotten ugly then...yes SM got pw3nd but it was nor the time and place for BG to do it..

    PAUL I KNOW WILL AND I PROMISE YOU IF IT HAD BEEN IN ANOTHER LOCATION THIS THREAD'S TITLE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....THE FUNNY THING IS THAT IT TOOK AN ENTIRE SHOP TO CONFRONT "ONE MAN" AND NOTHING HAPPENED THAT IN MY BOOK = "BITCH"

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    Quote Originally Posted by St0lenR
    You know I don't give a shit about this whole situation going on....but you support BG in having them ruin one of the few meets that we have left??? What if I was there??? I have a carrying permit. It definatley would've gotten ugly then...yes SM got pw3nd but it was nor the time and place for BG to do it..

    PAUL I KNOW WILL AND I PROMISE YOU IF IT HAD BEEN IN ANOTHER LOCATION THIS THREAD'S TITLE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....THE FUNNY THING IS THAT IT TOOK AN ENTIRE SHOP TO CONFRONT "ONE MAN" AND NOTHING HAPPENED THAT IN MY BOOK = "BITCH"

    I have more to say

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    yeah thats what i waited to know why it took so many peolpe to go up to just will? there was tons of peolpe around will :confused:

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    Quote Originally Posted by St0lenR
    You know I don't give a shit about this whole situation going on....but you support BG in having them ruin one of the few meets that we have left??? What if I was there??? I have a carrying permit. It definatley would've gotten ugly then...yes SM got pw3nd but it was nor the time and place for BG to do it..

    PAUL I KNOW WILL AND I PROMISE YOU IF IT HAD BEEN IN ANOTHER LOCATION THIS THREAD'S TITLE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....THE FUNNY THING IS THAT IT TOOK AN ENTIRE SHOP TO CONFRONT "ONE MAN" AND NOTHING HAPPENED THAT IN MY BOOK = "BITCH"

    I have more to say

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    ...fighting with weapons..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GsrTurbo320
    ...fighting with weapons..
    Not really...tooken plenty of bats to the head...so I decided to protect my life, whats's wrong with that???
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGPIS3
    so you are ok with a sponsor instigating a fight at a sanctioned IA event? if this is the case.. ban me now.... cuz i wont support IA at all at any event if this is the type of behavior that is allowed from sponsors.

    bg wanted to make an example out of will... well, they should be made the example now....

    as for will getting punked... i guess thats in the eye of the beholder. if im gonna fight and im not drunk enough to be stupid enough to do it in front of cop..... that aint being a pussy and that aint getting punked especially if its a girl doing all the talking...


    i wasn't there so im basing everything off 2nd hand info...
    first off it isn't an IA event... 2nd will has been talking mad shit about tracy and the shop so if the same was happening to you and your business you and i would do the same.... so i dont' want to hear any BS about this and that... will is a big boy and can handle himself i know probably 10 people who have said "man will talks so much shit online then in person he doesn't say shit"... thats the point, dont' open your mouth unless you can handle the heat. you guys are acting like a bunch of fucking sore vaginas. boo fucking hoo.

    he has made plenty of comments on here about things he wanted to do to tracy who is FEMALE, wow what a big man... when confront he didn't do shit. its ok for you to talk mad shit behind a computer but not put your ass on the line in person. well there you go :jerkit:

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    Quote Originally Posted by St0lenR
    You know I don't give a shit about this whole situation going on....but you support BG in having them ruin one of the few meets that we have left??? What if I was there??? I have a carrying permit. It definatley would've gotten ugly then...yes SM got pw3nd but it was nor the time and place for BG to do it..

    PAUL I KNOW WILL AND I PROMISE YOU IF IT HAD BEEN IN ANOTHER LOCATION THIS THREAD'S TITLE WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT....THE FUNNY THING IS THAT IT TOOK AN ENTIRE SHOP TO CONFRONT "ONE MAN" AND NOTHING HAPPENED THAT IN MY BOOK = "BITCH"

    I have more to say

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    hold on again... you expect someone to talk shit and not be confronted about it... i don't give a shit if you have a permit for your gun... guess what i have one two, and i know most of the BG carrys as well... your a bitch if your going to sit here and say you would do anything of the sort... you would sit there and watch him get his ass beat if it came to that and your gun would of sat in your car.

    ok subruban commando. sit behind you computer and talk some more shit

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    i dont' give a shit if they are sponsors or not this has nothing to do w/ IA... i am friends w/ Will and BG but this shit is just gay... he got punked get over it. you want to do something about it punk them back or STFU

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    it was a bitch move,IF they wouldve done something they would have but now they talked shit to eachother like some kindergarten shit and walked away from eachother, i mean shit if 5 people started talking shit to me best belive im going to hold my ground, ive done it all too many times....

    this was a bad move for batlground, im sure everyone agrees on that. I mean sure they thought it was funny but if they are serious why dont they meet will back up?

    Im sure the topspeed guys wouldnt have pulled some shit like this, there too professional and not stuck on some petty internet drama bullshit.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    it was a bitch move,IF they wouldve done something they would have but now they talked shit to eachother like some kindergarten shit and walked away from eachother, i mean shit if 5 people started talking shit to me best belive im going to hold my ground, ive done it all too many times....

    this was a bad move for batlground, im sure everyone agrees on that. I mean sure they thought it was funny but if they are serious why dont they meet will back up?
    why meet back up? makes no sense.... to let this drag on, there's no need for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nopaintsls
    why meet back up? makes no sense.... to let this drag on, there's no need for that.
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    No I wouldn't sit there and watch unfold before my pretty brown eyes....BUT you're avoiding the bigger picture here...Let me ask you this "Would you Admin from IA go to a meet (and again I say one of the few meets we have left) with your whole IA team and start a whole bunch of shit in front of the public/police/society and risk ruining everything that we as a community have left?? Or would you be more proffesional about it and wait for another time
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    Quote Originally Posted by GsrTurbo320
    ...fighting with weapons..
    yeah that is funny, weapons= a bitch that cant fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St0lenR
    No I wouldn't sit there and watch unfold before my pretty brown eyes....BUT you're avoiding the bigger picture here...Let me ask you this "Would you Admin from IA go to a meet (and again I say one of the few meets we have left) with your whole IA team and start a whole bunch of shit in front of the public/police/society and risk ruining everything that we as a community have left?? Or would you be more proffesional about it and wait for another time

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    Quote Originally Posted by stikiller
    yeah that is funny, weapons= a bitch that cant fight.
    yeah true in some cases, but when your on the other side of the stick getting your ass beat with a baseball bat youll think alot differntly

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    first off it isn't an IA event... 2nd will has been talking mad shit about tracy and the shop so if the same was happening to you and your business you and i would do the same.... so i dont' want to hear any BS about this and that... will is a big boy and can handle himself i know probably 10 people who have said "man will talks so much shit online then in person he doesn't say shit"... thats the point, dont' open your mouth unless you can handle the heat. you guys are acting like a bunch of fucking sore vaginas. boo fucking hoo.

    he has made plenty of comments on here about things he wanted to do to tracy who is FEMALE, wow what a big man... when confront he didn't do shit. its ok for you to talk mad shit behind a computer but not put your ass on the line in person. well there you go :jerkit:
    I have to agree with this comment,only because it is true. Will does be e-thugging. But on another note Will has called people out to fight and they haven't showed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    yeah true in some cases, but when your on the other head of the stick getting your ass beat with a baseball bat youll think alot differntly
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    Im sure the topspeed guys wouldnt have pulled some shit like this, there too professional and not stuck on some petty internet drama bullshit.....
    ^ this is exactly why there is so many problems w/ the scene and fighting back n forth... is this a cheerleading thread no? and for your info when Doug was on here he talked mad shit as well... i've can say the same about major companys including NOPI, i almost got in a fight w/ someone from there last year. the point is WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ADD FUEL THE FIRE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    it was a bitch move,IF they wouldve done something they would have but now they talked shit to eachother like some kindergarten shit and walked away from eachother, i mean shit if 5 people started talking shit to me best belive im going to hold my ground, ive done it all too many times....

    this was a bad move for batlground, im sure everyone agrees on that. I mean sure they thought it was funny but if they are serious why dont they meet will back up?

    Im sure the topspeed guys wouldnt have pulled some shit like this, there too professional and not stuck on some petty internet drama bullshit.....
    Now I agreed partly with you until, said topspeed and professional in the same sentence. Me and topspeed have been in a real heated arguement on te internet over some shit. And I offered to whip the whole employee list ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    ^ this is exactly why there is so many problems w/ the scene and fighting back n forth... is this a cheerleading thread no? and for your info when Doug was on here he talked mad shit as well... i've can say the same about major companys including NOPI, i almost got in a fight w/ someone from there last year. the point is WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ADD FUEL THE FIRE?

    because im an instiagator, sorry thats just me.

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    answer my post wonderbread.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by stikiller
    Now I agreed partly with you until, said topspeed and professional in the same sentence. Me and topspeed have been in a real heated arguement on te internet over some shit. And I offered to whip the whole employee list ass.
    haha sorry i was just trying to "add fuel to the fire"

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    Quote Originally Posted by St0lenR
    No I wouldn't sit there and watch unfold before my pretty brown eyes....BUT you're avoiding the bigger picture here...Let me ask you this "Would you Admin from IA go to a meet (and again I say one of the few meets we have left) with your whole IA team and start a whole bunch of shit in front of the public/police/society and risk ruining everything that we as a community have left?? Or would you be more proffesional about it and wait for another time
    WTF hugo, i like you but you way over your head on this... don't sit here talk all hard about owning a fucking gun then tell me... oh wait guys i can't fight here lets go down the street i don't want to ruin our hangout :jerkit:

    IF YOUR GOING TO RUN YOUR MOUTH LIKE A BITCH THEN YOU WILL BE MADE A BITCH. did all you people grow up in the suburbs or small towns? grow some fucking balls and back up the shit your talking or STFU.

    PS. if i was going to start shit w/ someone i dont' give a shit where i am or who is there... if your asking for it your going to get it.

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    So is batlground going to confront everyone that talks shit about there shop everytime? because if they do they got alot more punking out to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    because im an instiagator, sorry thats just me.
    well on a serious note, its gay. you can't sit here say i can't believe they did this then try to start more shit on the other hand.

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    Will, pm me when it is going down...I wanna watch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    well on a serious note, its gay. you can't sit here say i can't believe they did this then try to start more shit on the other hand.
    on a serious note. Rushing 1 person with 5 or more people is gay, and not doing anything is even gayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    So is batlground going to confront everyone that talks shit about there shop everytime? because if they do they got alot more punking out to do.
    i've seen tons of shops confront people why is this any different... will got on here express the shit he would like to do to tracy and obviously someone was there to back her up. i can't see how you guys are so one sided on shit, its shows how this is nothing more then game and you guys act like bitches... will gets on here talks shit to a FEMALE then he gets confronted by FEMALE and friends... hello i've seen this a million times... if you don't want an ass beating don't talk shit. [end of story]

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    The thing that keeps wondering in my head .....why did BG confront Will if "supposedly" everything he says is a "lie" why not brush it off their shoulder....it's actually starting to make me think that there is some truth behind what SM is saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    on a serious note. Rushing 1 person with 5 or more people is gay, and not doing anything is even gayer.
    guess what don't talk big unless you can back it up. its ok to talk shit to a FEMALE but its not ok for a FEMALE to bring some back up w/ her. ok. you sound like a real ladies man. do you smack your girl around too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    i've seen tons of shops confront people why is this any different... will got on here express the shit he would like to do to tracy and obviously someone was there to back her up. i can't see how you guys are so one sided on shit, its shows how this is nothing more then game and you guys act like bitches... will gets on here talks shit to a FEMALE then he gets confronted by FEMALE and friends... hello i've seen this a million times... if you don't want an ass beating don't talk shit. [end of story]
    if tracy wouldve confronted will by herself, i wouldve gave all the most respect to her, but i think having 5 people backing her makes it seem lame, im sure she can fight her own battles.

    go listen to some 2pac "you aint shit without your homeboys"

    this thread summed up in one song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhAtBoYMr2
    Im sure the topspeed guys wouldnt have pulled some shit like this, there too professional and not stuck on some petty internet drama bullshit.....
    This whole thing had nothing to do with Topspeed.. why even bring their name up?
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