AP - well said and I understand your perspective.
Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
It sounds like you just discovered owning a DSLR isn't what it's made out to be.
er... wha? No, not at all. I happen to have just gotten a D40 for Christmas, yes, but nobody has ever aimed any comments like these at me, and I've actually been quite pleased with my pictures so far, most of which have been taken in modes other than AUTO.

Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
Feel free to remove my name since I've never once talked down to anyone owning an entry level DSLR, quote me if you have found otherwise. In case you forgot it wasn't that long ago I was still using point & shoot.
im not accusing anyone of talking down to anyone, relax. And im not even talking about low-end SLRs specifically, just people getting SLRs in general.

...And fair enough, I haven't seen you directly saying these things, I just thought I'd seen you associated with some of the threads im talking about. to be fair i havent paid THAT much attention to it, and this wasn't meant to be like a callout at you or anyone in particular, dont get all up in arms about it.

Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
Nobody inspired me, individual photos I saw in magazines and online is what inspired me. I was still shooting with a point & shoot when Nemesis, AP, Jaime, etc. had DSLR's, 3 to 4+ years ago there were only a small handful of people producing quality car photos on here. As far a IA goes, THEY WERE the pioneers of automotive photography here and I am sure were an inspiration to many other members. I can't speak for them on who they were inspired by.
uh... i said you were inspired by other peoples work. and those individual photos in magazines and online? those were taken by other people... so i dont think my comment was inaccurate or unfair.

Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
I don't recall ever using the term "bandwagon" for new DSLR owners but I will be glad to now. Yes owning a DSLR is jumping on the bandwagon for 90% of the people getting them. Only because someone else had one is why they got one, thinking there photos will be miraculously better
yeah, if thats someone's initiative, then sure, bandwagon is a valid term. but 90%, really? cmon, a good few of these people have got to be legitimately interested. My father owned a studio for 10 years and has been shooting for decades... I've always had the itch, and now I finally have a means of trying my hand.
Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
I've had 4 "rants" on this forum.
Honestly I agree with all of these.
Quote Originally Posted by james
it is not even worthing stickying some kind of FAQ if you ask me.

noobs are noobs. and the noobs around here don't want to learn anything. they shoot on auto or program and learn nothing from it. then they ask for comments and critique and get all pissed off when the comments and critiques aren't positive remarks.

go get a book. read stuff. check out websites (IA is hardly a photography site.) join a fuckign photography forum.

it amazes me that people would rather spend 150 dollars on a fucking seminar than get a 20 dollar book and experiment on their own.
i mean frankly i agree, im just saying that rather than griping about threads like that, an FAQ would be a nice way of countering it and I'm sure could be a rich resource for some on here. I've done a fair amount of reading and photography forum browsing, but some may not know where to start, and im sure there are some on here who would appreciate the help from the locals whose photos they already know and appreciate. honestly i personally dont really care, i was just kinda throwing an idea out there.
Quote Originally Posted by Maniac
Okay is fucking right. You ain't got shit to say...

Also, I'm fucking gonna buy a DSLR and start my own watermark and website just so all of you can call me a bandwagon jumper. All the kewl kids are doing it, might as well go out in style.

Fuckin weak ass rant.
...alright, congrats, your e-penis is clearly substantially larger than mine. what exactly is it that youd like me to say?