yea i know they are not the same. the wing is tmobile version of the HELARD, with their changes. as is the is at&t tilt is at&t's version of the kaiser. the over-seas version of the 8925(kaiser) has 2 cameras, infered and tomtom 6. they are the same phone in the since that they have the internals(main board, processor) and have the same HTC model number (p4450). i've done my research on the phone. and with help from xda-developers.com, i have already change the flashware(ROM) on my phone like 4 times
