Non-religious
why arent you religious?
ill answer first
im not religious because i honestly dont think there is a god. straight up, i jsut dont believe there is someone out there telling us what is right and wrong.
also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".
everyone else who doesnt believe, do share
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i have a hard time with "god" helping "his" people because all the bad shit todat in society. Growing up, you were always kinda taught that god led your way...so god made that guy shoot another guy 48 times?
plus i have a hard time with thinking that someone else is running my life. im more into beleiving in fate more than god but eh, who knows.
we evolved from monkeys...
FUCK B&D COMMUNICATIONS!
i mean if there was a god why would he let the holocaust happen, or the crusades, or what the egyptians did to the jews?
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because wouldnt the christian religion want people to convert others rather than kill them?
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Originally Posted by R.Kelly
not including the fact the bible contradicts itself numerous times and the fact that a solid ill say....80-85 % of "christians" i know are big hypocrites
FUCK B&D COMMUNICATIONS!
Islam turned me off, b/c of it's leaders/beliefs/killing/terrorism/etc.
on the other hand the Universe,/exsistance didn't just happen out of Nothing. somebody had to put all this shit here. Matter is neither created no destroyed, plain and simple. get past That and I'll go with said person on there being NO God/whatever you want to call it.
Come on guys......yall really want to pose such stereotypical questions? I know yall have way more technical questions than, "we came from monkeys...", right?
Is there no set right and wrong in your mind? If so, where'd it come from? One step further, how's YOUR "right" and "wrong" define someone else?
Don't judge all Christians by the actions of someone that claims to be one. Look at the Muslim community. Should we assume they're all out to get us just because a voicetrous bunch say so? Same thing here.also the christian religion really turned me off of organized religion, due to their "beliefs" and their "leaders".
i don't believe in ANYONES GOD. i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.
ps. if i ever convert to anything becoming Muslim sounds the most appealing.
i have no religion. do not believe in a higher being floating around creating things at will. churches are there to make money PERIOD.
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
What does one thing have to do with the other?
God guides those that want to be guided. God forgives those that ask for forgiveness. God helps those that ask for help. The caviat is that you have to truly believe in what you're asking for and truly believe in him. That's the key.
What happens in society is due to our inherent imperfection. If you believe in the Bible, then you know that there are two sides to humanity.....good and bad depending on whom they follow. False prophecies are also discussed in the Bible. How do you know the difference? That's where LEARNING and BELIEFS come in. You have to choose a side. No riding fences. Ignorance is not an excuse. No gray areas when it comes to beliefs. You either do or you don't. But it is a CHOICE. Why? Because YOU will be judged based on THAT CHOICE YOU MADE. YOU and only YOU made. It is not God that makes people do BAD things to one another. How do I know that? Because I BELIEVE in something. You don't have to agree. As a matter of fact, God gave you that CHOICE TO MAKE. The question is: Are you making the RIGHT choice? The mere existance of a CHOICE does not take away the fact that there is a right side of the fence and a wrong side of the fence. YOU have to figure out which side is which.
No he did not. God only leads those that want to follow and believe in him. Kinda like the old "you can lead a horse to water but you can't MAKE him drink..". The horse can be dragged to the water's edge, but if he doesn't WANT to drink he will just stand there and kill over dead eventually. Who's fault is that? The dragger or the horse? Same thing here. You can't say that God leads someone that does the complete opposite of what he teaches. How's that make sense? Just because they say they're "Christian"? Hmmmm, so I guess we should execute ALL Muslims since SOME say they want to kill us???? Who do you think is acting like a TRUE Muslim? The one that is plotting to kill us for no reason, or the one that says it's wrong to do so? Again, same thing here.Growing up, you were always kinda taught that god led your way...so god made that guy shoot another guy 48 times?
#1. God doesn't "run" anyone's life. People the believe try to follow, yet not one single one of us is remotely close to doing it perfect. This is why you have to believe certain things in order to try and stay on that path.plus i have a hard time with thinking that someone else is running my life. im more into beleiving in fate more than god but eh, who knows.
#2. What is "fate"? Where's come from? Who controls it? What is it about? Much like the big band theory, Where did it start?
As stated above, where did "monkeys" come from?we evolved from monkeys...
Eventually you will have to Matrix the laws of physics if you follow this big bang theory because there has to be a BEGINNING. Where is that beginning? People gloss over that when they say they believe in the big bang theory, yet call us zelots for believing that someone/something more powerful than us CREATED something.
Hmmm, what created whatever it is that started this big bang thing?
Why do you call it "someone's" God? WHO is that someone?
I know what you mean and I believe you mean "organized religion", churches, etc.
Fine, noone has to go to a "church" to believe that there is a God. You merely have to concede that there is someone/something smarter, stronger, more important than you and you wish to be there or follow that. You can do that standing in your living room, sitting on the throne, or going to church on Sunday.
You believe in a "creator", yet you think I'm crazy for believing there is a "God"??? How's that work?i dont' think its far off to think of a creator of sort (not a christian god) but a force capable of putting into action a chain of events which later were carried out by evolution, etc... but the idea of our actions being recorded in a ledger by this all knowing being... your better off playing the lotto.
Why does "RELIGION" or "CHRISTIANITY"= a brick and mortar CHURCH?
CHURCH is a gathering place. Religion and Christianity is a BELIEF SYSTEM. Not the same.
Explain what churches do with all that money.
That's double talk.
You believe "something" had to start things off, yet don't understand where that "something" started from?
Don't look now, but that's the reason a lot of people turn TO religion for answers. If you really want an answer to that question, go look for it. You can check out the so called atheists, you can check out the agnostics, you can check out the satanists, you can check out the Christians. All have a very clearly defined answer to your question. It is just a matter of who YOU believe makes more sense to YOU as to what you should follow and believe.
Because the church is the most visible symbol of Christianity.
First I do believe in God. However I find a lot of hypocrisy coming from those who attend church. I have several examples of this currently going on in my own family. My wife's cousin (penticostal) is sleeping with a married man. Her other cousin (again penticostal) is not yet divorced and is "talking" to someone. Yet these two people pass judgement on anyone and everything under the sun (we all know the verse pertaining to that). There is a "preacher" where I work who swears, drinks, has been divorced twice, and has even bragged (yes bragged) that he hit his last wife. She had it coming according to him. He turned her over his knee and spanked her like a child because she was acting like one. I could go on and on for days just on the actions of these three people. I choose to believe and worship in my own way.
i'm agnostic. there are certain things that i don't believe we as humans can ever explain fully, yet at the same time, the bible and its teachings often seem contradictory.
what im tryin to say is that where do we (humans) have the ability to say whats out there, when we have no real knowledge of a superior being other than the faith that believers have........basically there is no empirical or scientific data to back up the belief that there is a single creator.........i personally believe that there is something that started it off but i, being a lowely human, will never know or understand what it is
my right and wrong stem from how i feel my actions will best help the community. not what some book says. it doesnt matter what book it is, if i feel "breaking the law" would be better for the comunity then i will do it.
if you always follow we would still have slaves, women would not be equal, we would still have a king, etc...
its not the same thing at all, im talkin about apples and your talkin about tires (no where in the same field of conversation)Don't judge all Christians by the actions of someone that claims to be one. Look at the Muslim community. Should we assume they're all out to get us just because a voicetrous bunch say so? Same thing here.
you see this is where you always get me, gives me a little chuckle.
im not judging anyone. what makes you think i am?
i just said that the beliefs and the so called leaders turned me off of the religion. im not judging anyone for their beliefs, yet for some reason you always think i am
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this is another perfect example right hereon the other hand the Universe,/exsistance didn't just happen out of Nothing. somebody had to put all this shit here. Matter is neither created no destroyed, plain and simple. get past That and I'll go with said person on there being NO God/whatever you want to call it.
he thinks that since something cant be explained yet, that there has to be a god
god seems to be the answer to questions that are too complex for us, but whatever floats your boat
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i didn't say SOMEONE'S i said ANYONE'S b/c the god i refer to isn't your GOD. i have my own ideas of which i don't assume anyone shares, and no i don't belive in organized religion even your christianity was never meant to be the way it has turned out.
though there may be something else a god, a force, something we can't put a name too... but i do not praise it nor will i bow before it. i don't see my self as anything but equal in essense. i can create and destroy life just as the gods once talked about. the difference between me and a christian is i will not look for truth of my exsistence in word of man.
i think your crazy for idolizing anything over yourself. NO GODS NO MASTERS CHOOSE YOUR HEAVEN.
Hulud IA's offical Pudding Sturrer :P
you know it
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im agnostic. ppl are just brainwashed usually from a young age. most of religion is just stupid. how can ppl really believe in creationism and give up all proof of evolution. i think that the bible was a group of stories written to tech morals and lessons. it is not the word of "god". i hate how literal ppl take it. i went to a catholic school for nine years. that will really turn u off. some people dont feel safe without a higher being to watch over them and somewhere to go when they die. almost everyone is afriad of death and wrongs in the world. This playes in their fear and gives them comfort. i think that church is a cult gathering. my 2 cents.
deaths due to street racing in the world in 2004:141
deaths due to falling coconuts in the world in 2004:151
deaths due to children falling into five gallon buckets in 2004:487
Please quote me a passage from the Bible where it condones slavery, inequality, and to worship or follow ANY King besides Jesus.
What does humanity evolution have to do with it?
It is the exact same thing. How is it not?its not the same thing at all, im talkin about apples and your talkin about tires (no where in the same field of conversation)
You and several others constantly judge Christianity as a WHOLE by the bad deeds of a few that claim to be Christians. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't make them a true follower. EXACTLY as the Muslim situation. The general Muslim community says that their religion is NOT about killing people, yet Ossamah and his crew has been proclaiming that Allah is supporting their attempt at genocide. Can't have it both ways, so someone is dead wrong. Right? How's that any different than you and anyone else talking about how "Christians" are this and that and that church is a rip off and yada yada ALL based off what a FEW people made you feel. That means you are basing your decisions on the actions of a few. I'm not saying that's necessarily right nor wrong, but atleast admit that's what it is.
Exhibit A.im not judging anyone. what makes you think i am?
i just said that the beliefs and the so called leaders turned me off of the religion. im not judging anyone for their beliefs, yet for some reason you always think i am
You obviously using a different definition of "judging" than is accepted by everyone else.
Just a reminder, here is what "judge" means.....see if any apply to this discussion:
judge Listen: [ jj ]
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v. tr.
To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case. b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn. c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
I even highlighted the parts that apply to you. Still think you're not "judging" things? You are.
I'll bite. What's your God like? What are his/her qualities? Where'd he/she come from? What is his/her purpose?
How can you be it's "equal" when you can't even explain what "it" is?though there may be something else a god, a force, something we can't put a name too... but i do not praise it nor will i bow before it. i don't see my self as anything but equal in essense.
What did this "god" of yours do? Did he or she create anything? If so, what did YOU create that it's equal to what he/she created? IF you can't do the same things he/she can, then there is no possible way you could be it's "equal".
Where do you look for that truth then?i can create and destroy life just as the gods once talked about. the difference between me and a christian is i will not look for truth of my exsistence in word of man.
You've placed your bet, and I mine.i think your crazy for idolizing anything over yourself. NO GODS NO MASTERS CHOOSE YOUR HEAVEN.
here
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.”
—Ephesians 6:5-6
but i wasnt even referring to christianity being ok with slavery
here you go over analyzing, i was just making a statementWhat does humanity evolution have to do with it?
why dont you go back and re-read it knowing this: i was making an example that if you follow one set of rules we would not be where we are as a society today.
you asked me where i got my morals from, so i said what i think is best for teh community. and so if i think that not obeying the laws is best then i will do it ie. blacks were slaves, so others thought that wasnt right and they disobeyed the laws to make a better society
sorry i wasnt referring to the muslim comment you made, i was referring to how you thought i was judging all christians with my previous comment. i should have only quoted the first part.It is the exact same thing. How is it not?
You and several others constantly judge Christianity as a WHOLE by the bad deeds of a few that claim to be Christians. Just because someone claims to be something doesn't make them a true follower. EXACTLY as the Muslim situation. The general Muslim community says that their religion is NOT about killing people, yet Ossamah and his crew has been proclaiming that Allah is supporting their attempt at genocide. Can't have it both ways, so someone is dead wrong. Right? How's that any different than you and anyone else talking about how "Christians" are this and that and that church is a rip off and yada yada ALL based off what a FEW people made you feel. That means you are basing your decisions on the actions of a few. I'm not saying that's necessarily right nor wrong, but atleast admit that's what it is.
i was basically trying to say that i was disgusted with the church leaders and the christian beliefs. then you said i was judging all christians (which i wasnt) so thats where my apples and tires comment came from.
im still trying to figure out where i am judging anyone in this threadExhibit A.
You obviously using a different definition of "judging" than is accepted by everyone else.
Just a reminder, here is what "judge" means.....see if any apply to this discussion:
judge Listen: [ jj ]
v. judged, judg·ing, judg·es
v. tr.
To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
a. Law To hear and decide on in a court of law; try: judge a case. b. Obsolete To pass sentence on; condemn. c. To act as one appointed to decide the winners of: judge an essay contest.
To determine or declare after consideration or deliberation.
Informal To have as an opinion or assumption; suppose: I judge you're right.
Bible To govern; rule. Used of an ancient Israelite leader.
I even highlighted the parts that apply to you. Still think you're not "judging" things? You are.
heres my post where you went off on your judging banter
i was simply stating what turned me off religion, which was the church leaders and the christian beliefs (dont agree with some of them)
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Where I lost you is that Religion dictates people's MORAL compass, not their earthy legal one.
How would following the "laws" here translate to religion? Right and wrong is not only defined by laws, but also by morals. As a matter of fact, there are more people that govern themselves according to their MORALS rather than written laws. Sometimes that's good, other times it's not. But that's the truth.
Yes you are. You have always said that religion was a farce and that it was a rip off and that it was fake. All those opinions you have formed because of your experience with a very LIMITED exposure of "churches" or "Christians". So what I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass judgement on ALL Christians based on a few. I'm not saying you're wrong in your belief. You feel what you feel. I am noone to argue that. But just don't glob everyone into the same dough because Religion is not a cookie cutter.i was basically trying to say that i was disgusted with the church leaders and the christian beliefs. then you said i was judging all christians (which i wasnt) so thats where my apples and tires comment came from.
I didn't say you were judging anyONE. I said you're judging "Christianity" based on a limited exposure and therefore you are passing judgement onto something based on the actions of few. Again, I'm not trying to argue if that's right nor wrong, but I'm just saying that you should at least recognize that's what you're doing.im still trying to figure out where i am judging anyone in this thread
Ok, I'll bite with you too.i was simply stating what turned me off religion, which was the church leaders and the christian beliefs (dont agree with some of them)
What is it that you don't like about church "leaders"?
What is it that you don't agree with in a Christian belief system?
you asked where i get my morals from, so i said "how i think society would benefit best". so i was just making a point that following books and laws is not always the best way, this really had nothing to do with religion. you just asked where i got my morals from so i said where and tried to explain what i meant.Where I lost you is that Religion dictates people's MORAL compass, not their earthy legal one.
How would following the "laws" here translate to religion? Right and wrong is not only defined by laws, but also by morals. As a matter of fact, there are more people that govern themselves according to their MORALS rather than written laws. Sometimes that's good, other times it's not. But that's the truth.
ok your right i do judge the religion, because i dont believe in itYes you are. You have always said that religion was a farce and that it was a rip off and that it was fake. All those opinions you have formed because of your experience with a very LIMITED exposure of "churches" or "Christians".
i have never once judged a person for their beliefs nor do i "glod" everyone inot the same doughSo what I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass judgement on ALL Christians based on a few. I'm not saying you're wrong in your belief. You feel what you feel. I am noone to argue that. But just don't glob everyone into the same dough because Religion is not a cookie cutter.
i see what your saying nowI didn't say you were judging anyONE. I said you're judging "Christianity" based on a limited exposure and therefore you are passing judgement onto something based on the actions of few. Again, I'm not trying to argue if that's right nor wrong, but I'm just saying that you should at least recognize that's what you're doing.
time to reel you in lolOk, I'll bite with you too.
sorry i always wanted to say that when i see you post that comment
let me get this across before you say im judging them all cause i see that trap waiting for me. obviously i dont know EVERY leader and your comment is going to be "dont let one ruin it for all of them". so with that said:What is it that you don't like about church "leaders"?
i dont like all the altar boy stuff that happens.
i hate how most the preists i have seen at churches i have been to, guilt you into making donations, something about teh tithe (i dont know what % that is)
i dont like what they have done in the past either
basically all the stories, like adam and eve, moses, noah, etc...What is it that you don't agree with in a Christian belief system?
but it basically comes down to one thing, we can discuss all this stuff but i still have one major problem with religion in general, i cant prove there is a god to myself nor can i disprove the existance of a god (hence me being agnostic)
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x2...
I think its just programmed into the human mind to believe in a higher power. I believe that yes, there might be a being who started the big bang with the intentions of creating life. I was born and raised a christian and despite my current beliefs I still attend church on occasion since its engrained into my head to feel bad if I never go.
Christianity makes a great story. A sort of boring way of life, but hey it makes into a great childrens book.
Only two positive things come from the holy bible
1. money
2. virgins
Christianity makes a great story. A sort of boring way of life, but hey it makes into a great childrens book.
Only two positive things come from the holy bible
1. money
2. virgins
Wow, how deep a person you are. Impressive.
So it's boring to help out someone in need. It's boring to try and do good instead of bad. It's boring to honor your parents. It's boring to celebrate things at different times of the year. Hmmmm, wow.
Look, don't come into a discussion without having your guns loaded. Show examples or explain yourself better because right now all you are doing is being an idiot.
What money?
What virgins?
Why is that good?
Why do you like it?
What Bible verses make you feel the way you do?
What experiences in your life make you the way you are?
What thought process are you using to justify your stance?
When you can inject some rational thought into a debate that is deeper than a thimble, then come back. Until then, you're not equipped for even a semi-intelligent debate.
i was thinking the same thing lol
Val for President
Let's assume, for a moment, that there is a God. We may not know the nature of God, or
which religion comes closest to the truth, but we can be sure of one thing:
God does not love you.
Look at all the cruelty and misery in the world, which God does nothing to stop. Right now,
as you are reading this, there are children in various places around the world being raped
and tortured. Most of us would risk our lives, give up our lives, to save them if we could.
God stands by and does nothing. God has abandoned these children, and clearly does not
love them. God does not love you, either.
There are some religions which claim that "God's love is a different kind of love", which is
supposed to explain and justify what appears to be God's divine indifference. This is total
bullshit. If I claim that I love my neighbor, and then set his house on fire and shoot him in
the head, anyone can see that my "love" is not love at all.
Another fallacy along these lines is the statement that, "God doesn't give us more than we
can handle in life". This is a ridiculous statement. Go to a mental institution, go to the ward
for those who are seriously disturbed, and you'll see people who just sit and rock back and
forth all day, staring off into space, or screaming at nonexistant terrors. God has given
them more than they could handle, and now they're totally broken.
So you have no loving God watching over you, making sure you get what you need. You
don't get what you need in life, you don't get what you want, you don't get what you
deserve. You get what you get.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
A. this thread was about NON RELIGION......and people who don't believe
B. I don't know any bible verses, nor do I want to
C. Why do you ask so many questions? is this an interrogation?
D. I am sorry I am not a christian, please chastise me some more you fucking hypocrite.
E. My guns are loaded
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"Christ died for your sins!" - Christianity
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" - John 3:16
Apparently we are supposed to be impressed by this. However:
First of all, "only begotten son". God, being omnipotent, could have billions of sons
any time he wanted, so the fact that Jesus was his only son is not terribly meaningful.
Secondly, what's the big deal about Jesus dying for us? I mean, he came back to life
a few days later, didn't he? And, being omnipotent, he can apparently transition back
and forth from being alive to dead whenever he wants, so his death was not any sort
of sacrifice whatsoever.
He did, however, allow himself to die in an unpleasant away, enduring some
moderate amount of torture or pain for a few days. It was a far easier death than a lot
of cancer or AIDS sufferers face, but still, it was something. "Christ suffered briefly
for your sins!" is more accurate, but I guess this slogan wouldn't be all that great a
selling point for Christianity.
Or how about, "For God liked the world somewhat, so he allowed the only son he
ever bothered to have to suffer briefly, so that some people could escape the hell
which God created".
If I could somehow cleanse millions of people of their sins (whatever the fuck that
means) and save them all from hell by dying in some unpleasant fashion, I would be
willing to do so. And I do NOT have the ability to bring myself back to life, which
would make mine a far bigger sacrifice than that of Jesus. I guess this makes me
more loving than either God or Jesus. Feel free to worship me if you like.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I always say I am not gonna get into these discussions - for the sake of my grandma, and my mom, who both think that they are going to heaven. News flash!!! You're not!
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
In fact - as far as hell goes, I'd say that HELL is on Earth - we are already here! And heaven, well when u die you don't have to worry about Earth - so THAT will be heaven. I hope I can still get laid there.... if not, I'm staying right here in hell as long as I can.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
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