I always say I am not gonna get into these discussions - for the sake of my grandma, and my mom, who both think that they are going to heaven. News flash!!! You're not!
I always say I am not gonna get into these discussions - for the sake of my grandma, and my mom, who both think that they are going to heaven. News flash!!! You're not!
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
In fact - as far as hell goes, I'd say that HELL is on Earth - we are already here! And heaven, well when u die you don't have to worry about Earth - so THAT will be heaven. I hope I can still get laid there.... if not, I'm staying right here in hell as long as I can.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
IDRIVE - I have 2 words for you. 1) SHUTTHEFUCKU 2)P. This is an intelligent debate, of course w/ a few things tossed in for good humor. Do NOT knock some1 for their beliefs - say what yours are and leave it at that. I do not know you - and right now I'd rather not. Despite the fact that some1 can say "I am a Lutheran" but does not know how a Lutheran differs from a Presbyterian does not mean u make personal attacks. I know more about religion and the bible than a lot of devout Christians and have never met one that can go toe to toe with me, but I always repspect their view. Post all you want, just be adult about it. JAIMECBR900 has offered more COHERENT thought in the religion forums before you even knew what this site was - this is not me and his 1st dance, and we have ALWAYS respected each other even though we disagree - you should do the same. Leave gun talk out of it. If he is one thing, it's CONSISTENT and that's more than I can say for a lot of Christians.
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
i hate you baby j, taking the words out of my mouth (again)Originally Posted by BABY J
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all I can really say is I am old enough to own a gun
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
LOLR. Kids. Cute.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Sure I would do it - I am God and can raise him. EASY decision.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Easy decision to send your only son to SUFFER and be KILLED???? Even if you know you can ressurect him AFTER he's suffered and been KILLED???? I wouldn't let my son near a dull butter knife, let alone send him off to die...on purpose....knowing that he was going to suffer......for someone else's mistakes......absolutely not. I would go in his place, but to send him would mean a much greater sacrifice.......hence his point.
Come on, even you have a heart. That is not only a difficult decision, but also a selfless one to prove a point.
People who don't believe often talk about "proof". What more proof could someone give than his ONLY SON to become flesh and blood and walk among us that he is then tortured and killed and subsequently raised from the dead to prove to the non-believers that it can all be done as he says it can.......what more proof would anyone need?
If somehow someone found remnants of the actual cross where Jesus was crucified onto.......would non-believers suddenly change their minds and believe? Probably not. So, proof is in the eye of the beholder and only makes up the mind of the person who is willing to have their mind changed.
I see you Paul........
BTW, I got a phone call about you today......you sure you wanna get on my bad side TODAY......
JAIME - you are thinking about it as JAIME sending your son. If I was GOD, I'd send MYSELF my son, ANYTHING! I MEAN I'M GOD!!! That fact alone makes the "sacrifice" not a "sacrifice" at all!
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Yeah, but regardless it's still a sacrifice.
Even if you give a bum a dollar.....a dollar that is not going to make YOU broke for giving it away.....it's still a sacrifice that YOU are giving to someone else whose misfortunes are not any fault of yours.
So I still don't see where the sacrifice should be made futile just because he's GOD. It's still a sacrifice, right?
NOTHING is a sacrifice for "God". If there was a God, the ONLY sacrifice that He could TRULY make is to relenquish his power (forever) for the sins of man (whatever those are).
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
To whom?
I think he means like in Superman 2, or was it 3 when Superman gives up his power and those 3 criminals get busted out of that mirror in space. which btw is a real shitty "prison" to just float in space if some pathetic sound waves can bust it.
To Brett. LOL - no, to no1. To just give up being God. Or maybe a sacrifice could have been not resurrecting His Son. As it sits RIGHT NOW, there has not been a sacrifice. There was a parade - a SHOW. A facade.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I dunno....Brett would have a big orgy or something and make everybody get lambo doors on their cars......LOL.
Well, but to "relinquish" his power he'd by definition have to give it up to someone, right?
Well, but how would that of proven the point that HE is all powerful, and all knowing if he couldn't even save his own son....just as he'd said and his son had said BEFORE he died?To just give up being God. Or maybe a sacrifice could have been not resurrecting His Son.
In other words, you can't prove to someone that you can turn stones into bread without actually doing it atleast once, right?
Just try huh? Just try to believe in WHICH God?
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Your right Paul in the sense that you say that Islam believes this about Christians and vice versa..
but you gotta find facts man..you know my background, so I shouldnt even discuss this with you, i need others..cause you know whats up.
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I dont want to read everyones posts but I'll tell you how I feel. Born and raised by Christian parents. Became a self proclaimed atheist, why? I wont get too into it, just the main points.
I feel that we as humans are not advanced enough in technology to know everything about our history or our bodies. A century later, our blood line will look back to today and say that we are stupid.
The bible is a BIG joke. So many errors and so many sections are missing, because they are banned. There are documents that say that accuse jesus of several things.
Virgin Mary? Bullshit, she had an affair.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
This is a never ending debate.. Theres no point really lol
Exactly..
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We can never stay on topic. I assume Hulud (loves Yanni and John Tesh) wanted some personal stories pertaining to the turning point/defining moment/calling for current Atheists and/or devoted Christians?
im glad someone atleast saw what i wanted in this thread
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I realy Don't think that Any of that has anything to do with the existance of god. Just because you don't think its right for a higher power to be in control of your destiny doesn't mean god isn't real. In the same light the safety and comfort found in the idea of a higher power isn't a logical reason to believe in god. There are many explanations from many different people to how we got here, all of them (whether religious or not) are overwhelming to me and it would take a great deal of faith to believe any of them. At the same time, we are here... so there is an explanation or truth to how we got here. Just because you don't know how doesn't mean you shouldn't explore all the possibilities. As for myself, I like to keep an open mind and believe that if I do, eventualy I will be able to find an answer that makes sense to me.
first i didnt ask for your take on my feelings
second, im glad its not your opinion
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I don't see why post offended you, but o.k. Just discussing
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