Question about Muslims (Keep Civil Or Will Be Deleted)

[Dragonfly5338]

hrm i thought that was synonymous

That's the mindset of our country, and the problem.

People are more than willing to split the two when it applies to THEIR religion (aka, David Coresh - "Oh he's a whacko, not a true christian" or the abortion bombers - "They're Christian EXTREMISTS, not what the true Christian religion teaches"). But when it comes down to us as a country taking a moment to try and understand what's really going on out there, all our feeble collective minds can register is:

Muslim = Terrorist, hell we can even narrow that down to "brown = terrorist".

Pretty sad when random people driving on the road feel the need to roll down their window and scream "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY, TERRORIST" at me - LOL, me, who is not even close to being middle eastern, but have enough pigment in my skin to be classified as a terrorist. These aren't rednecks either, but middle class people in Alpharetta, driving Navigators, Excursions, etc.

[Jaimecbr900]

movtives of the insane/misunderstood do not matter... if i killed you in the name of the devil would it make it any different if i just killed you. your still dead just b/c i put a iconic motive to it doesn't say anything.

It would say a lot about devil worshipers if they stood by and said "hmmm, Ok this guy is killing and making us look bad.....nah, it's alright, let him keep doing it...." Yes sir, it does say a lot about someone.

the problem w/ this country is we have shot ourself in the foot... we put our selves in this situation now are are back pedaling out of it... countries like US, UK, have pushed for WAR and when WAR is brought to us we whine about it. just like the pope opening his mouth about muslims... that has to be the dumbest thing in the world to discuss... hey let me discuss politics in the middle of a religious war... why don't you just give them a nuke and key to your house.

Is that like the Elephant in the room thing?

So, let me get this straight: You are proposing that people stand perfectly still and hope that the wasp flying around doesn't sting you? What do you do when it gets ON you? Do you stand there and let it sting you or do you swat it?

So "speaking out" against crazy self proclaimed Muslims (because I don't think they're true Muslims) is a big NO NO because what? They're gonna get mad and kill people........hmmmm, anyone see the irony here?

[4dmin]

why don't you(or anyone else for that matter) accept the so called "Christians" bombing abortion clinic the same way?

side: you can't excuse someone's bad behavior with someone elses bad behavior?

oh i have accepted it i've known for a very long time RELIGION is the devil.

[Jaimecbr900]

Anyways the ignorance in this thread is offensive. Especially from someone like Jamiecbr. [/serious RG]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[4dmin]

It would say a lot about devil worshipers if they stood by and said "hmmm, Ok this guy is killing and making us look bad.....nah, it's alright, let him keep doing it...." Yes sir, it does say a lot about someone.




Is that like the Elephant in the room thing?

So, let me get this straight: You are proposing that people stand perfectly still and hope that the wasp flying around doesn't sting you? What do you do when it gets ON you? Do you stand there and let it sting you or do you swat it?

So "speaking out" against crazy self proclaimed Muslims (because I don't think they're true Muslims) is a big NO NO because what? They're gonna get mad and kill people........hmmmm, anyone see the irony here?

Ok let me break it down... imagine your a "black man"... would you walk into a Nazi biker bar and call them out?

Sorry not going to happen... anyone in their right mind isn't going to speak out against terrorist in their back yard. Ever seen the Godfather? yup.

[Dragonfly5338]

It would say a lot about devil worshipers if they stood by and said "hmmm, Ok this guy is killing and making us look bad.....nah, it's alright, let him keep doing it...." Yes sir, it does say a lot about someone.




Is that like the Elephant in the room thing?

So, let me get this straight: You are proposing that people stand perfectly still and hope that the wasp flying around doesn't sting you? What do you do when it gets ON you? Do you stand there and let it sting you or do you swat it?

So "speaking out" against crazy self proclaimed Muslims (because I don't think they're true Muslims) is a big NO NO because what? They're gonna get mad and kill people........hmmmm, anyone see the irony here?

The same thing is happening in this country though, albeit in a very smaller scale. What happened when the war first started and people protested? They were told "Get the fuck out of this country if you don't support it" by a MINORITY of people who have an EXTREMIST mindset about how this country should be run.

Now take that, multiply it by a thousand, and give them guns, bombs, knives, etc.

Muslims did stand up and call the pope an idiot when he opened his mouth and showed his ignorance. They DID stand up and protest when 9/11 happened.

You're wanting people who have been thrown in a middle of a war without their choosing to stand up and publicly protest?? I'd be more worried about my ass getting bombed on accident, to be honest.

Plus, do you REALLY think USA today is going to have a front page paper with "Peaceful Muslims say Terrorists are Bad"?? No, they go for the good stuff about extremists blowing themselves up and blowing up school buses.

[Jaimecbr900]

That's the mindset of our country, and the problem.

People are more than willing to split the two when it applies to THEIR religion (aka, David Coresh - "Oh he's a whacko, not a true christian" or the abortion bombers - "They're Christian EXTREMISTS, not what the true Christian religion teaches"). But when it comes down to us as a country taking a moment to try and understand what's really going on out there, all our feeble collective minds can register is:

The difference is LOTS of "Christians" spoke out AGAINST extremists proclaiming to be doing "God's work".

That is exactly what I'm referring to.

Pretty sad when random people driving on the road feel the need to roll down their window and scream "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY, TERRORIST" at me - LOL, me, who is not even close to being middle eastern, but have enough pigment in my skin to be classified as a terrorist. These aren't rednecks either, but middle class people in Alpharetta, driving Navigators, Excursions, etc.

It is pretty sad how people are ignorant like that. What the hell would yelling at someone out the window do anyway? Is not like you're gonna suddenly have an epiphany and say "damn, I think I'm gonna go "home" now" and turn around and drive straight to the nearest airport......

They're gay as hell and I know you didn't pay those idiots any attention, right?

[4dmin]

ThPlus, do you REALLY think USA today is going to have a front page paper with "Peaceful Muslims say Terrorists are Bad"?? No, they go for the good stuff about extremists blowing themselves up and blowing up school buses.

val you have no idea what your talking about... usa today covers butterfly covered meadows filled w/ unicorns and cute shit... thats what sells magazines... oh that and Tom Cruise's new baby pix

[Dragonfly5338]

The difference is LOTS of "Christians" spoke out AGAINST extremists proclaiming to be doing "God's work".

That is exactly what I'm referring to.






It is pretty sad how people are ignorant like that. What the hell would yelling at someone out the window do anyway? Is not like you're gonna suddenly have an epiphany and say "damn, I think I'm gonna go "home" now" and turn around and drive straight to the nearest airport......

They're gay as hell and I know you didn't pay those idiots any attention, right?

No, I yelled "GUESS WHAT NIGGA YOU'VE JUST BEEN JIHAD'ED!!!!!" then turbo tagged them. In my southern accent. LOL. Bad yes, but the face on one lady was absolutely priceless.

[Dragonfly5338]

val you have no idea what your talking about... usa today covers butterfly covered meadows filled w/ unicorns and cute shit... thats what sells magazines... oh that and Tom Cruise's new baby pix

Dude that ain't his baby! LOL now THAT is some conspiracy theory shit right thurr. I read some theory somewhere and after about 10 minutes of it decided that middle aged housewives in Nebraska or wherever should work for the CIA. Ladies got that shit figured OUT, haha.

[RandomGuy]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

i valued your fuckin opinions and judgements on lots of the other threads in the civil forum... But seriously, something like this, from you.

Firstly, you're saying that Islam is one sort of big unified religion. Hrm... if someone said "You aren't muslim if you do ___ and ___" (which has happened), then that same ideal would be accepted by all of the various other belief holding groups!? You know for a fuckin fact that, even in christianity, there are even fueds between different congregations, let alone different denominations.

Hrm but i forget that all of us "terrorists" are of the same breed or spawn, we walk holding hands, etc right? We make terroristic decisions in tandem. Unlike Christianity, which is one big peaceful and unified religion. All of them recognize the Pope don't they?


There are just as many denominations within Islam if not more, than Christianity, but they aren't as clear cut. Some of the SMALLER ONES... as in VERY SMALL percentage, the misguided ones are the ones which are causing headlines,and the Media is, intentionally, grouping us into the whole schema of things.

More specifically, why is it that we see public outcry from Muslims all over the world, even death threats, over a caricature and over some words said by the Pope but we don't see massive protests or outcry over bombings/beheadings/killing all done while clearly claiming to be doing so as an act of religious faith?

That's because it was offensive, they were showing so, (do you know how many NONVIOLENT protests there were?!)... But the headlines of course would portray the OTHER misled ones' actions.... and group them into the mainstream Muslims right?

[Jaimecbr900]

The same thing is happening in this country though, albeit in a very smaller scale. What happened when the war first started and people protested? They were told "Get the fuck out of this country if you don't support it" by a MINORITY of people who have an EXTREMIST mindset about how this country should be run.

Now take that, multiply it by a thousand, and give them guns, bombs, knives, etc.

I said in the very beginning that I figured this was one of the reasons for not standing up, but again not all Muslims live in the Middle East either. I can understand those guys being scared and rightly so. I totally understand that.

But what is the reason in other parts of the world where a threat like that is not there?

Maybe I'm just simply not seeing something that is in fact there. Maybe I'm reading the wrong publications or maybe I just don't watch the news as often as I should to see it. I'm not necessarily saying it hasn't been done, I'm just saying I'm not seeing it myself and if it's there would someone please point me to it so I can see it. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to get some insight.

Muslims did stand up and call the pope an idiot when he opened his mouth and showed his ignorance. They DID stand up and protest when 9/11 happened.

Again, it may very well be just me being misinformed, but I just haven't seen the type of outcry towards terrorism as I have seen towards a caricature.

Plus, do you REALLY think USA today is going to have a front page paper with "Peaceful Muslims say Terrorists are Bad"?? No, they go for the good stuff about extremists blowing themselves up and blowing up school buses.

I think that may be part of the problem too. I know some "good news" don't sell as blood guts do.

[Brett]

hrm... so no one says anything... no one ever says "islam is a religion of peace"

Hrm, so its safe to conclude that we're terrorists since we're not fulfilling our "assigned religious duty" to speak out against negative media representation towards Islam? Kind of reminds me of Bush's: "If you're not with us, you're one of them" shit. If only we were like christians, with no sinful interpreters, no people who do immoral things in the name of god...

come to my mosque on friday .... listen to 1 speech.
thats all.

Anyways the ignorance in this thread is offensive. Especially from someone like Jamiecbr. [/serious RG]

Who here is being ignorrant? No one is bashing Islam or the muslim faith, Its just a question on why more people dont speak out when we all know the true teachings of Islam is peace, so the few who try and do wrong in the name of Islam dont get denounced, No one in here is saying Muslims as a whole are bad, Its a VERY FEW who are extremesists who take th eteachings and twist it to suit thier beliefs, we all understand that, What we are asking is why a large portion of a group doesnt stand up against the FEW who take it in the wrong direction.

[RandomGuy]

so the few who try and do wrong in the name of Islam dont get denounced,

ok if u say so

[Jaimecbr900]

i valued your fuckin opinions and judgements on lots of the other threads in the civil forum... But seriously, something like this, from you.

Firstly, you're saying that Islam is one sort of big unified religion. Hrm... if someone said "You aren't muslim if you do ___ and ___" (which has happened), then that same ideal would be accepted by all of the various other belief holding groups!? You know for a fuckin fact that, even in christianity, there are even fueds between different congregations, let alone different denominations.

#1. Thank you for that, although you did use the past tense in that verb up there so......

#2. I'm not trying to glob anyone together. All I'm trying to say is that why don't people like you who are obviously on the "good" side of the Muslim religion simply say, "hey, these crazy people are making all of US look bad by association (right or wrong), so I'm going to stand up and say that's NOT WHAT A TRUE MUSLIM is about!!!!" You will never be able to convince everyone that is closed off to the idea, but you will show considerably more that this in fact is NOT how your religion views the world. See, right now they (the crazy ones) have a louder bull horn than you do, although there are more of you than them. Why not change that?

Hrm but i forget that all of us "terrorists" are of the same breed or spawn, we walk holding hands, etc right? We make terroristic decisions in tandem. Unlike Christianity, which is one big peaceful and unified religion. All of them recognize the Pope don't they?

The only sect of Christianity that follows the Pope is the Catholics. I'm not Catholic, although most of my family is, so I don't recognize the Pope as "my" leader.

I do understand what you're saying because I guess it would be hard for any religion to merely unite into any cause. Maybe I'm wording it incorrectly or like I said before maybe I'm just merely not seeing those public outcries that are/were in fact there. That's why I'm asking. Someone please help me see that and I will be glad to learn something I didn't know.

There are just as many denominations within Islam if not more, than Christianity, but they aren't as clear cut. Some of the SMALLER ONES... as in VERY SMALL percentage, the misguided ones are the ones which are causing headlines,and the Media is, intentionally, grouping us into the whole schema of things.

Learned something new today. I had no idea that there were lots of Islamic denominations per se. I understood that just like in any religion there are extreme rights and lefts, while most are somewhere in the middle. I guess Islam is the same.

That's because it was offensive, they were showing so, (do you know how many NONVIOLENT protests there were?!)... But the headlines of course would portray the OTHER misled ones' actions.... and group them into the mainstream Muslims right?

I didn't follow you here.

[Brett]

ok if u say so

Case and point, You are trying to twist a simple question into what you want it to be and and act like people are attacking a faith here.

[MongolPup]

There are times when war is tolerated, permitted and even, in some case, to a point accepted, but never considered holy. Islam is a religion of peace, no matter what certain media or deranged individuals say or claim.

Remember, the Christians are the same way. The first "Crusades" were indeed called by the pope, but then later people would just "call" them themselves. If we had had this conversation a couple hundred years ago, we would be saying "damn Christians, seems like every couple of years they go and fuck shit up."

Sadly I need to go to work, so if someone wants to refute this or w/e you may have to wait a bit.

[RandomGuy]

#1. Thank you for that, although you did use the past tense in that verb up there so......

Didn't mean that was just heated after seeing something like that.

#2. I'm not trying to glob anyone together. All I'm trying to say is that why don't people like you who are obviously on the "good" side of the Muslim religion simply say, "hey, these crazy people are making all of US look bad by association (right or wrong), so I'm going to stand up and say that's NOT WHAT A TRUE MUSLIM is about!!!!" You will never be able to convince everyone that is closed off to the idea, but you will show considerably more that this in fact is NOT how your religion views the world. See, right now they (the crazy ones) have a louder bull horn than you do, although there are more of you than them. Why not change that?

Just for the record, Where do you get your information? The media, right? Well as I already said, the Media is not on our side. What you do not know (and also the reason I invited you guys to my mosque)... Is to hear the surmons. How angry they are at the people who have made Islam portrayed in this light. They give many, many ways to help... Many people even go overseas at the source... as sort of "missionary" type missions... But get found with "ties to al-queda". (you'd be surprised with how many people get these)
ON MANY MANY DIFFERENT OCCAISIONS THE MAINSTREAM MUSLIM POPULATION DENOUNCES 'TERRORISM' OR VIOLENT ACTS BY OTHER 'MUSLIM INDIVIDUALS
My friend's dad is a high up at the giant mosque in down town, he gives many speeches, etc. You should def attend one.

The only sect of Christianity that follows the Pope is the Catholics. I'm not Catholic, although most of my family is, so I don't recognize the Pope as "my" leader.

the denotes sarcasm

I do understand what you're saying because I guess it would be hard for any religion to merely unite into any cause. Maybe I'm wording it incorrectly or like I said before maybe I'm just merely not seeing those public outcries that are/were in fact there. That's why I'm asking. Someone please help me see that and I will be glad to learn something I didn't know.

And plus there are many more facets to this debate... Lol but i do not want to get into that, not here, specially when i don't have links to sources on hand.
But this whole issue is a mixture of two issues... Two completely separate issues... which are, again, grouped up into 1. It is both a religious issue, as well as a political issue. For example, a US soldier kills someone. This person is
merely a soldier in duty, right? Now say a Palestinian civilian-militia member kills invaders encroaching upon his territory. The conflict between political parties (in the region) is based on religion, right? This is irrelevant with the killing. Just by the fact that he is Muslim, he is immediately labeled a terrorist. It is this that the media has achieved. And MOST DEFINITELY INTENTIONALLY.

Learned something new today. I had no idea that there were lots of Islamic denominations per se. I understood that just like in any religion there are extreme rights and lefts, while most are somewhere in the middle. I guess Islam is the same.

yessir.

I didn't follow you here.

As far as the Danish cartoons go, for example. There was an outrage, yes. Now as far as "violence". How many muslims are there in the world? Those "violent" incidents could be counted on your hands... yet the media blew it up for it to apply to all of Islam, Why?



Another thing that heats my balls is the term terrorism. But thats another thread.

[RandomGuy]

Case and point, You are trying to twist a simple question into what you want it to be and and act like people are attacking a faith here.

...

Why is a religion that is said to be peaceful not stand up against violence that is perpetrated by people claiming to be of that religion?

dissect that sentence. Tell me that is not blatantly attacking a faith.

Why is a religion that is said to be peaceful

what does that imply? (just look at how the sentence is structured).... Hrm... You're right.

[Jaimecbr900]

To be honest, noone has yet to answer my question directly.

We have discussed and gotten way off course from Islam to Christianity to witch hunts to stereotypes.

My question is this:

How come we see the "Islamic" community very upset about a caricature and about what the Pope said, but we don't see the same type of outcry for atrocities being done in the name of their own religion?

Is it because of the bias media?

Is it because I'm ill informed?

Is it because its not there?

Is it because they are afraid to speak out due to threats?

Is it because there in fact has been outcry but we just don't know?

That and any other variation is what I'm looking for. I said since the very beginning this was not an Us vs Them debate.

I don't defend pedophile priests. I don't condone violence in the name of my religion. I only follow what I feel is right. I don't try and convert anyone to my belief system at all. That's not what this discussion is about. I'm merely trying to get to the bottom of why things like this look like this. I know it has to be much deeper than what the bias media makes it out to be. Hence why I asked.

I knew we had a bunch of terrori.....ooops, I mean cool level headed Muslims in this bunch so I knew I'd get honest responses.......btw, that was an attempt at a joke so noone get all bent out shape about it OK>

[RandomGuy]

How come we see the "Islamic" community very upset about a caricature and about what the Pope said, but we don't see the same type of outcry for atrocities being done in the name of their own religion?

therein lies the answer.

[Jaimecbr900]

...



dissect that sentence. Tell me that is not blatantly attacking a faith.

How so?

[Jaimecbr900]

therein lies the answer.

Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[RandomGuy]

How so?

The fact that the religion is peaceful is unconfirmed in the sentence, yet the misconception that no one says anything about it is boasted as a fact....

[4dmin]

i just wanted to say DURKA DURKA

[RandomGuy]

Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Well yeah thats exactly what media exposure is, grease. I guess we can just have it at that? Scapegoat: Media.

[Brett]

I agree the media trys to portray things one sided, that isnt in question.... and again you seem to feel this is a attack on a religion or group of people, and its no where near that. I dont consider anyone different than me because of the color of thier skin or thier religious beliefs so you can drop the WE ARE TRYING TO ATTACK THE MUSLIM faith right there, No one is doing that. It is just a simple question....

"When you know these extremeists do the killing/attacks on people that they do in the name of thier twisted view of a religion, why do the majority of the faith not publicly denounce what they do and take that away from the extremists? I mean think about it.... If they dont think they are dying and killing for thier faith (Yes thier twisted view of the faith) then they would have nothing to fuel what they do... because in the end... Attack after attack, they feell they are doing it for god and that everyone who is not "Muslim" or follow Allah should die, They publically say that on all thier video's "Either follow us and our religion and beliefs, or we will kill you". You see what Im saying? No one here is saying MUSLIMS are bad, That was never a question. We all are aware that like any religion 99% are true to thier beliefs and wouldnt condone attacks in the name of any religion... We know this. But if people take back thier faith and take what fuels these outcasts, they would have nothing left to die in the name of.

[Jaimecbr900]

The fact that the religion is peaceful is unconfirmed in the sentence, yet the misconception that no one says anything about it is boasted as a fact....

You could also look at it 180 degrees from there.....you are looking at it as a personal attack and thereby your view is slanted towards that.

How else should it be worded?

[Jaimecbr900]

Well yeah thats exactly what media exposure is, grease. I guess we can just have it at that? Scapegoat: Media.

Why not exploit it right back then.....become a louder squeaky wheel?

[RandomGuy]

Why not exploit it right back then.....become a louder squeaky wheel?

by bombing things? i dont think anything peaceful can get squeakier than that. And even so, in an ideal world, sure that MIGHT work. So did solar powered cars. How practical was it to make them happen though?

[RandomGuy]

i just wanted to say DURKA DURKA

yo paul, you've seen my site right?
www.durka-durka.com

[abdullah9018]

i haven’t read the whole thread but heres my say
as a Muslim heres what i think there are a lot of extremist out there Christian Jews Muslims and so on but the reason Muslims get the most neg attention is because when something happens the media blames islam
a lot of people do stupid things but when they do it they dont immediately say christen Jew or so but when a Muslim does something it all of a sudden is blamed on islam its not that islam is a bad religion and says to kill people its just the media and make us seem worse then we are there are like 1.2 billion of us 10 mess up and we get treated like shit around the world

[RandomGuy]

i haven’t read the whole thread but heres my say
as a Muslim heres what i think there are a lot of extremist out there Christian Jews Muslims and so on but the reason Muslims get the most neg attention is because when something happens the media blames islam
a lot of people do stupid things but when they do it they dont immediately say christen Jew or so but when a Muslim does something it all of a sudden is blamed on islam its not that islam is a bad religion and says to kill people its just the media and make us seem worse then we are there are like 1.2 billion of us 10 mess up and we get treated like shit around the world

OH SHIT HIS NAME IS ABDULLAH!!!

INS LA MIGRA FBI CIA GBI ATF!!! GET 'EM!!

HOMELAND SECURITY > ABDULLAH

TERRORICE

[Brett]

i haven’t read the whole thread but heres my say
as a Muslim heres what i think there are a lot of extremist out there Christian Jews Muslims and so on but the reason Muslims get the most neg attention is because when something happens the media blames islam
a lot of people do stupid things but when they do it they dont immediately say christen Jew or so but when a Muslim does something it all of a sudden is blamed on islam its not that islam is a bad religion and says to kill people its just the media and make us seem worse then we are there are like 1.2 billion of us 10 mess up and we get treated like shit around the world

We agree with that 100%, Read what we are saying

[Mr_Mischif]

INS LA MIGRA FBI CIA GBI ATF!!!

You forgot DEA, but dem'z da Alfabet Boyz!!!! Watch out fo dem, son!!! Specially if you a terrorice!!!!


Sorry for the off-topic.

[Vteckidd]

the problem w/ this country is we have shot ourself in the foot... we put our selves in this situation now are are back pedaling out of it

No i think the Muslim Extremists bombing our embassys, and the WTC once, and the flying 3 planes into our building killing 3000 people put us in this situation.

Fact of the matter is that we are at WAR, we have always been at war . The only problem with this WAR is that we dont know who the enemy is, or, where they live. We know they are Muslim, we know they are EXtremists, we know they reside in the middle east and in the USA, but we dont know who is who and who is on our side. IMHO.

We had a chance to end all this 8 years ago with Clinton. He had the intel and the means to bomb bin laden, and he chose not to. He chose to watch football instead cause he had NO BALLS. Clinton was great at what he did, make people think everything was ok. He was a great politician, he was a horrible leader.

Now the left will say we went to war because Bush lied about WMDs. Yeah, so what. We had semi decent intelligience that said that Iraq had SOMETHING or they were TRYING to get something SOON. So maybe he POLITICIZED it a little to get approval. I think whats even more funny about that is the fact that even so fresh after 9/11 , some of the country still needed a reason to go after another potential threat.

Had we NOT gone to war, and removed Saddam, what if he wuld have gotten a nuke, or funded ANOTHER terroist attack against the US? then people would have said "oh bush didnt do ENOUGH to stop this". so you guys cant have your cake an eat it too.

Now the democraps say we need to pull out of IRaq. Oh yeah, thats smart. Leave a massive power vacuum to be filled by someone WORSE than saddam and all our soldiers that have died have died in vein. Why dont you guys come up with a plan, oh wait, they dont have one. Their platform is "bush is the devil, we need to change the policy in IRAQ, but we have no idea what that should be".

... countries like US, UK, have pushed for WAR and when WAR is brought to us we whine about it. .

again, its the democrats that have no balls that are whining.

Now people will say that bush caused the 9/11 attacks with no credible proof, conspiracy theories, etc. Believe whatever you want. But freedom isnt free. I just think our generation is so lazy we dont want to fight for it. We just all want to work 10 hours a week an make 100,000 a year. We want so much from this country, but dont want to give anything back. 16 year olds can have $80,000 cars , but ask to fight for your country an its "fuck that".

I lvoe you paulina

to Jaime, your on to something. Ill say something thats gonna piss alot of people off, but i have had ALOT of muslim friends. Its a weird religion. Lots of people are very mellow. but, they dont want to stand up against the bad guys. They are very complacent. Most come to the US an milk it for all its worth, bad mouth us, but still lvie here . I dont get it. The religion as a whole has no balls IMO. They dont care for the most part. Many of my muslim friends, WHO ARE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE, still think that Israel needs to perish. ANd since we support israel, we are targets. thats the heart of the whole matter, they cant let shit go. they are arguing over fucking rubble and will kill for the next 4000 years over it cause they are too stupid to wake up an say "this is a war that will never end".


/Corveys sermon

[RandomGuy]

The religion as a whole has no balls IMO.

yet according to you, these same "terrorists" strap themselves to bombs?

[Vteckidd]

yet according to you, these same "terrorists" strap themselves to bombs?

yeah , suicide is for pussys. and im referring to the "good muslims" who rarely stand up or out the "bad muslims".

[RandomGuy]

yeah , suicide is for pussys. and im referring to the "good muslims" who rarely stand up or out the "bad muslims".

why should they be obligated to?

[Vteckidd]

oh i dont know, human decency, world peace, the fight for good, etc.

thats what i mean about our generation being lazy. the "why should i care what they are doing " attitude only gets you so far. no offense