What the hell is that supposed to mean?Originally Posted by RaИdomGuy
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
i valued your fuckin opinions and judgements on lots of the other threads in the civil forum... But seriously, something like this, from you.
Firstly, you're saying that Islam is one sort of big unified religion. Hrm... if someone said "You aren't muslim if you do ___ and ___" (which has happened), then that same ideal would be accepted by all of the various other belief holding groups!? You know for a fuckin fact that, even in christianity, there are even fueds between different congregations, let alone different denominations.
Hrm but i forget that all of us "terrorists" are of the same breed or spawn, we walk holding hands, etc right? We make terroristic decisions in tandem. Unlike Christianity, which is one big peaceful and unified religion.All of them recognize the Pope don't they?
There are just as many denominations within Islam if not more, than Christianity, but they aren't as clear cut. Some of the SMALLER ONES... as in VERY SMALL percentage, the misguided ones are the ones which are causing headlines,and the Media is, intentionally, grouping us into the whole schema of things.
That's because it was offensive, they were showing so, (do you know how many NONVIOLENT protests there were?!)... But the headlines of course would portray the OTHER misled ones' actions.... and group them into the mainstream Muslims right?
Last edited by RaИdomGuy; 09-21-2006 at 04:38 PM.
#1. Thank you for that, although you did use the past tense in that verb up there so......
#2. I'm not trying to glob anyone together. All I'm trying to say is that why don't people like you who are obviously on the "good" side of the Muslim religion simply say, "hey, these crazy people are making all of US look bad by association (right or wrong), so I'm going to stand up and say that's NOT WHAT A TRUE MUSLIM is about!!!!" You will never be able to convince everyone that is closed off to the idea, but you will show considerably more that this in fact is NOT how your religion views the world. See, right now they (the crazy ones) have a louder bull horn than you do, although there are more of you than them. Why not change that?
Hrm but i forget that all of us "terrorists" are of the same breed or spawn, we walk holding hands, etc right? We make terroristic decisions in tandem. Unlike Christianity, which is one big peaceful and unified religion.
The only sect of Christianity that follows the Pope is the Catholics. I'm not Catholic, although most of my family is, so I don't recognize the Pope as "my" leader.
I do understand what you're saying because I guess it would be hard for any religion to merely unite into any cause. Maybe I'm wording it incorrectly or like I said before maybe I'm just merely not seeing those public outcries that are/were in fact there. That's why I'm asking. Someone please help me see that and I will be glad to learn something I didn't know.
Learned something new today. I had no idea that there were lots of Islamic denominations per se. I understood that just like in any religion there are extreme rights and lefts, while most are somewhere in the middle. I guess Islam is the same.There are just as many denominations within Islam if not more, than Christianity, but they aren't as clear cut. Some of the SMALLER ONES... as in VERY SMALL percentage, the misguided ones are the ones which are causing headlines,and the Media is, intentionally, grouping us into the whole schema of things.
I didn't follow you here.That's because it was offensive, they were showing so, (do you know how many NONVIOLENT protests there were?!)... But the headlines of course would portray the OTHER misled ones' actions.... and group them into the mainstream Muslims right?
Didn't mean that was just heated after seeing something like that.#1. Thank you for that, although you did use the past tense in that verb up there so......
Just for the record, Where do you get your information? The media, right? Well as I already said, the Media is not on our side. What you do not know (and also the reason I invited you guys to my mosque)... Is to hear the surmons. How angry they are at the people who have made Islam portrayed in this light. They give many, many ways to help... Many people even go overseas at the source... as sort of "missionary" type missions... But get found with "ties to al-queda". (you'd be surprised with how many people get these)
ON MANY MANY DIFFERENT OCCAISIONS THE MAINSTREAM MUSLIM POPULATION DENOUNCES 'TERRORISM' OR VIOLENT ACTS BY OTHER 'MUSLIM INDIVIDUALS
My friend's dad is a high up at the giant mosque in down town, he gives many speeches, etc. You should def attend one.
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And plus there are many more facets to this debate... Lol but i do not want to get into that, not here, specially when i don't have links to sources on hand.
But this whole issue is a mixture of two issues... Two completely separate issues... which are, again, grouped up into 1. It is both a religious issue, as well as a political issue. For example, a US soldier kills someone. This person is
merely a soldier in duty, right? Now say a Palestinian civilian-militia member kills invaders encroaching upon his territory. The conflict between political parties (in the region) is based on religion, right? This is irrelevant with the killing. Just by the fact that he is Muslim, he is immediately labeled a terrorist. It is this that the media has achieved. And MOST DEFINITELY INTENTIONALLY.
yessir.
As far as the Danish cartoons go, for example. There was an outrage, yes. Now as far as "violence". How many muslims are there in the world? Those "violent" incidents could be counted on your hands... yet the media blew it up for it to apply to all of Islam, Why?
Another thing that heats my balls is the term terrorism. But thats another thread.
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