For those that don't like God

[2.0civic]

non christians have had over 2000 years to disprove and they still haven't either... so ur point.. not a point at all... nice try though.

you are trying to prove something exists. If there is no FACTUAL evidence of it, then it clearly doesnt exist. as far as christianity goes, it has another major flaw. You can live your life doing shitty deeds but as long as you are "saved" before you die, and "repent" your sins, you get into heaven.

[ahabion]

you are trying to prove something exists. If there is no FACTUAL evidence of it, then it clearly doesnt exist. as far as christianity goes, it has another major flaw. You can live your life doing shitty deeds but as long as you are "saved" before you die, and "repent" your sins, you get into heaven.

then you're not technically saved then are you? christianity is a lifestyle and longlasting relationship... those who truly believe in christianity live it.

[2.0civic]

then you're not technically saved then are you? christianity is a lifestyle and longlasting relationship... those who truly believe in christianity live it.

thats my point. i used to go to church til i figured out that it was a gathering of fucking hypocrites. not going to say where but i as at a party one night, and saw my old preachers son do a line of coke and the next day, be teaching little kids right and wrong....although thats probably the worst situation ive seen, i see it on a daily basis. Hell, there was a camp thing at the gwinnett civic center last week.....i work at bass pro and we have to get parents to sign a waiver to let you climb the wall.....i caught over 40 people LYING saying they were the kids parents and when i checked id's, most of them didnt share last names or were in different states. WTF happened to thou shall not lie? then they lie over petty shit like that

[ahabion]

thats my point. i used to go to church til i figured out that it was a gathering of fucking hypocrites. not going to say where but i as at a party one night, and saw my old preachers son do a line of coke and the next day, be teaching little kids right and wrong....although thats probably the worst situation ive seen, i see it on a daily basis. Hell, there was a camp thing at the gwinnett civic center last week.....i work at bass pro and we have to get parents to sign a waiver to let you climb the wall.....i caught over 40 people LYING saying they were the kids parents and when i checked id's, most of them didnt share last names or were in different states. WTF happened to thou shall not lie? then they lie over petty shit like that

i dont doubt that for a second... in fact, i am a preachers kid LoL... but those are the bad apples like in any community that make christianity like that "oh god, here comes one of them... lets avoid them before they start preaching to us" type of stereotype. Dont look at others to be examples in a Christain lifestyle... look to the bible for that. God knows that my church is full of hypocrites and folks wanting "power" or positions of influence within the church... but you live your life the way that you want, not by them.

[2.0civic]

i dont doubt that for a second... in fact, i am a preachers kid LoL... but those are the bad apples like in any community that make christianity like that "oh god, here comes one of them... lets avoid them before they start preaching to us" type of stereotype. Dont look at others to be examples in a Christain lifestyle... look to the bible for that. God knows that my church is full of hypocrites and folks wanting "power" or positions of influence within the church... but you live your life the way that you want, not by them.

thats one of many reasons i dislike christianity. that would be kinda like me working at kroger, telling you i love my job, and buying publix stock (nonetrily wise, it makes sense to suit YOU but as far as religion aka job in this example, not the better good of the company) i know that was a shitty example of the hypocracy but thats basically all i see

[Jaimecbr900]

Why do these discussions always come full circle back to "show me proof or I don't believe"?????

Why is it that you guys can't do something as simple as look up the DEFINITION of "faith"? No where in the definition of faith does it describe it having "proof". Why is that? Because "proof", like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

What is proof to me may not be proof to Baby J. What is proof to Baby J may not be proof to me. Does that CHANGE the fact that I feel something? It shouldn't, and it doesn't.

Blind faith is one thing, and common sense is another (although everyone's common sense threshold is different too).

My point is simple: It is an impossible puzzle to decipher because some people REQUIRE to be struck by a lightning bolt before they believe AND the believers do a very weak attempt in being a lightning rod.

Some people believe, some people don't. It's really that simple. No need to find 5 tails on the cat or reinvent the wheel. There are some people that are NEVER gonna get it.

Ironically enough if there really is no God, what does an Atheist have to loose by worshiping God? Sounds to me like it'd be the surest bet ever in the Universe. If there is no God, no harm done because there is no consequence. If there is, then he/she would of made the right decision.

The real bottom line is that each and everyone of us WILL have to deal with the consequences of our decisions to believe or not believe. Noone can make that decision for you, try as they might. So for ME, I'm placing my faith on something that makes far more sense to ME than we merely appeared after a "bang".

One thing some of you guys are right about is that my decision certainly let's ME sleep better at night. And when it's all said and done, that's really the only one I can ever control......me.

[ISAtlanta300]

thats one of many reasons i dislike christianity. that would be kinda like me working at kroger, telling you i love my job, and buying publix stock (nonetrily wise, it makes sense to suit YOU but as far as religion aka job in this example, not the better good of the company) i know that was a shitty example of the hypocracy but thats basically all i see

Yeah but does that mean then that Kroger itself would be a bad company in your example?

Just like in your example above.. just because the preacher or kid does lines of coke does that make the RELIGION itself bad? Just don't go saying all christians are bad just because of what you observe some do.

[ahabion]

Yeah but does that mean then that Kroger itself would be a bad company in your example?

Just like in your example above.. just because the preacher or kid does lines of coke does that make the RELIGION itself bad? Just don't go saying all christians are bad just because of what you observe some do.

the thing that really gets him, i'm sure is that there are so many people that would define themselves as Christians. The sad truth to that, is that the bad things we do and say obviously reflect not only us but of what we believe in. So the general public will simply turn themselves off of what we are trying to preach... but whats really sad, is when we dont practice what we preach. and so thats a double neg on us.

Kinda like the Catholics are full of pervert Rabi's and Islamics are full of suicide bombers fighting a Holy War against the Western evil

I personally dont like religion itself either,i think religion is very bad. Its what starts wars and even now, wars are still being fought over religion. Middle East, Vietnam (a religious polical spread of communism vs democracy), WWI and II, the Crusades... on and on... religion is very bad.

[2.0civic]

Yeah but does that mean then that Kroger itself would be a bad company in your example?

Just like in your example above.. just because the preacher or kid does lines of coke does that make the RELIGION itself bad? Just don't go saying all christians are bad just because of what you observe some do.

just came back to check on this...


but yes, if the job(religion or whatever else you want to apply my example to) is full of lying ass hypocritical people, that is all I personally need to see to steer my ass away. My general point in that was to say basically that if you love christianity and your "god" so much, you wouldnt falter from him and go somewhere else to better yourself. you would stick it out with what you feel is right instead of going for the immediate gratification

the thing that really gets him, i'm sure is that there are so many people that would define themselves as Christians. The sad truth to that, is that the bad things we do and say obviously reflect not only us but of what we believe in. So the general public will simply turn themselves off of what we are trying to preach... but whats really sad, is when we dont practice what we preach. and so thats a double neg on us.

EXACTLY

Its not like it just one or two people out of the how many ever christians there are but its like damn near everyday!! VERY RARELY do i see a christian that will stand by their values and their commandments. The fact that someone can walk by the bible and preach to you bout your wrongdoings but all the while they make mistakes too.

As was said before, it is rather funny how most of these threads always in in "prove this" or "prove that"


One thing that i would like someone who is religious to answer in this thread is how come in the different religions that circle themselves around the christian god, why is the bible taken so many different ways throughout these religions? Like catholics have one set of believes and baptist have a complete other.