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BABY J
Typical. "God works in mysterious ways" crap. LOL. Seriously. Christians have less answers than a 5 year old in Calc 2. And when they are cornered it's ALWAYS the same
--> it's not meant to be understood
--> gotta have faith
--> God works in mysterious ways.
Well guess what, when Malachi Chapter 3 wants 10% of ALL my increase then dammit it IS meant to be understood. Funny how "God" can be so specific about the percentage but can't prove his existance in the LEAST way.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I was a kid, I believed in the Tooth Fairy. I even had evidence of the Tooth Fairy's existence. I'd go to bed and leave my tooth in a glass of water - and when I got up the next day, not only was the tooth gone, but there was money there! *gasp!* Surely that proves there's a Tooth Fairy?!!!
Ultimately, it's up to the people who assert the positive (that God exists) to prove their claim. If I tell you there's a pink and purple invisible dragon in my bathroom, it's not up to anyone to prove there isn't. My pink and purple dragon is invisible, so your claim that you can't see it doesn't prove it isn't there. But can I prove it IS there? No - even though it's my responsibility to do so.
There are countless Christians (and others) who claim that they know God is real because they pray and get answers. I'm just wondering though, why it is that the children who beg God to be saved from their molestor aren't answered? Why are people who starve to death, not answered? Why were six million Jews not answered some decades back? Unfortunately, prayer is not evidence.
According to Christian theology (you fuckers think I am just talking but I STUDIED religion in college), though, prayer ought to be evidence. Look at what their bible says:
John 14:13-14
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."
Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."
John 16:23-24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you... Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."
These verses tell the Christian that they can ask for ANYTHING AT ALL and it WILL be given. Now, either Christians aren't asking God to end starvation and disease - or Jesus doesn't answer prayers. There are no conditions applied to these verses. Jesus just tells them to ask, and they'll get.
At the end of the day, God HAS to be something you can only personally experience as a feeling. And even then you (in my mind) must WANT to. You people KILL me w/ the "I KNOW HE'S REAL" bit. You can't know it, because if you knew it you could teach me --> and him --> and her... and every1 else... like a math formula and I would know it. It must be an individual experience and impossible to share-i have not felt it, and unless He performs MIRACLES like He did when he walked the Earth... you know, miracles like the tooth fairy did back in the day, then I will continue to be a good person, treat people right, help people when I can like my MOM taught me. If I end up in hell b/c of that, then God has more issues than a few IMO.
IMO, God is and always will be just a comfort zone for insecure and weak individuals. HE is a simple made up story. I think it is likely that the important people existed and all prophets mentioned in all books of religion were true, but just common heroes of humanity. They were no more important than John F Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr., or Brett and Leisa Lowenthall. You think it is acually logical that a spiritual world exists? If so, you need to be sterlized or liquidated. Religious people might as well believe in Santa Claus. When you die, you will enter an eternal world of darkness and thousands of years will pass and the Sun explode and you will not know a thing about it. Maybe stories of gods were just remnants of folklore of incredible encounters and interactions with extraterrestrials, maybe we are the decendants of them. No matter how extraordinary that may sound, it is in fact more logical than the pathetic spiritual and ILLOGICAL dream all the weak religious people think of. Imagine the world without religion, but just simple morals and rules. There would be minimal fighting. This is the way it is.. BIBLE/QUR'ON= WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I don't think anyone can tell me differently. When someone hears me lay out the blunt truth about death and life, I know it hurts in their heart but you hide it and fear it, but to accept and aknowledge that there is no fantasy world after death, you will enter a whole new plain of confidence and power. God is a sense, without all these primal minds thinking of the existance of the God, they would be insane, they couldn't manage otherwise. They are all like sheep. I know for sure eventually one day, people will look past religion. If you are smart you can see it happening today all over the world. For it to be SO sacred, there are more people DEAD b/c of it than anything else. The WORLD will realize this one day and say FUCK IT. The bible has as much weight to me as Mother Goose Rhymes and Aesop's Fables.
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