Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.Originally Posted by admin
Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.
umm he was found w/ a gun shot to the head if i'm not mistaken and his mistress died by poison.. so there is speculation on how he died, so it is ver possible someone else shot him. so like i said in the previous post as suggested... who knows? have you been to heaven to check to see? ok.Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.
sorry but you're wrong. If my last act is sin, I'm still forgiven and covered by His blood. No where in the bible does it state that, and I know you can't prove it.Actually not. Hitler committed suicide, his last act was a sin, thats not how one gets to heaven.
Reason being, we sin and don't even know it...since there aren't any different levels of sin, my sin of having rage when someone cuts me off in traffic is no different than my sin of commiting suicide. I go home and live my life and act as if nothing happened later. Not once in the bible does it say anything going to hell for commiting suicide. The only thing that sends you to hell is the rejection of Jesus.
really i didnt know. other plpe have told me differently as if it is in the bible. is that one of the man made rules ...commiting suicide?
i retract my statement as you are correct on this, i had forgotten the whole "suicide leads to hell" thing comes from catholicism
Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.
Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.
"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)
can't say i agree with u here, here's an excerpt taken from bible.com about suicide:Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.
Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.
"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)
doesn't look to me that it's written in written in stone anywhere about whether one goes to hell for sure by committing suicide.Do all those who kill themselves go to Hell?
Some people believe that all who commit suicide go immediately to Hell. However, the Bible never says if this is the case. The Bible is silent on this issue. God probably did not address it in black in white for a good reason. If we knew that we would still go to Heaven if we killed ourselves, there would probably be a lot more suicides taking place than there already are. However, if we knew that all who killed themselves were automatically banished to Hell, no matter what their situation, it may be too much for the grief-stricken family and friends to bear. Murder and suicide are not unpardonable sins. The only unforgivable sins are rejecting Christ (Mark 16:16) and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
(Mark 3:28-29 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
All other sins can be forgiven. However, anyone contemplating suicide may be in danger of going to Hell, as their relationship with the Lord is not intact at that point. Those who would consider suicide may have a severed relationship with Christ and therefore they would enter the real Hell--which is worse than the hellish feelings they are experiencing at the momen
Youre presuming one can ask in advance for forgiveness of a sin they are about to commit. Sorry friend, that isnt Biblical.
Perhaps if you study REPENTANCE instead of the specific sin you'll come to understand this.If you are truly a repentant sinner your last act will not be a sinful one that takes your own life.
Your last act cannot be a sin, IF you expect to be saved.
I repented when I accepted Jesus, and from that moment I am covered by his blood. I do not have to repent and confess that Jesus is my Lord on a daily basis. If you can lose your salvation, then his death was in vain. He was the perfect sacrifice, which only needed to happen once. Would he have to die again? His death is why its no longer necessary to make sacrifices to cover our sins. If the case is that you must repent after every sin, then what is to happen to those faithful Christians that sin not knowing? Their dedication to Christ meant nothing because they sinned. How would one then know for sure they're going to heaven if they're constantly worried they did something and now they can't go.Ahh yes...you must subscribe to the false teaching of "once saved always saved"...thats fine by me but NOT Biblical.
Saul wasnt "covered by the blood" BECAUSE he obviously died UNREPENTED.
The reason one can know this is that if one truly REPENTs of sin, they wont end their life by killing themselves, which is a sin.
No unrepentant sinner will ever enter heaven. The Bible teaches that clearly...maybe you havent found that yet.
"The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE......" (forever)
It's not in God's nature to have us worry about what he has give to us as a gift. To have some chance we can lose it only causes confusion and uncertanty, two traits that are not of God's nature.
I mentioned before about if you truely accepted Jesus, then suicide isn't something you'd concider. The doctrine of losing salvation is not biblical. Not once does it mention it in the bible. The bible mentions holding onto it, but not once does it say you'll lose it.
Salvation is trusting or believing in, by faith, that Jesus Christ paid for your sins with His blood on the cross of Calvary.
"He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life:. . ." John 3:36
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
" NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,. . ." Titus 3:5
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
. . . him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." John 6:37
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand" John 10:28-29b
Sorry man, you're wrong on this, and I can continue to quote scripture that backs it up. Point to me where it says in the bible where I'll lose it.
Last edited by Romeyo07; 05-31-2006 at 08:29 AM.
You are meant to give up a life of sin when you accept Jesus as the saviour and God and all that stuff. It's not a "whew. Glad that's over with. Lets get drunk!" affair. The Bible lays out the cardinal sins fairly clearly. I don't see how someone could sin without knowing it. You'd have to have a twisted conscience for that.
Wow!
You are so correct! Thats precisely what the Bible teaches...in a nutshell.
Thank you.
Youre only half right.
I am sure you can quote Scripture but your picture is incomplete. Theres more!
Youre primarily looking at one side of the picture...justfication...."just if I had never sinned".
Also, you have completely left out "sanctifcation", that being the daily walk and SUBMITTAL of ONEs OWN WILL to Christ.
I will point you to one example to begin with.....King Saul.
If you study carefully you will see that Saul "got saved"...then walked with God and even prophesied under Gods influence, but at the end Saul lost his faith in God, consulted witches/necromancers, had a coversation with Satan who impersonated Samuel the prophet....then Saul, in despair, showing NO faith in God, being fearful, disobeyed God and murdered himself on his own sword.
My friend, the notion that once "saved" you can never be lost is NOT Biblical....its commonly taught in MANY churches, using a one sided, incomplete view of Scripture, similar to what you have posted here.
The baptist church is famous for this non Biblical doctrine.
Fact is NO ONE is truly "saved" until Christ returns. Until then you/we are BEING SAVED. Can we have confidence? Yes. BUT that confidence must be in Christ.
Its like this...if you went overboard from a ship in the middle of the sea wearing only your clothes, you would die in a matter of time, no question.
If a boat came by & threw you a rope would you then be saved??? No.
Not until you were back on the shore would you be completely saved. But as long as you held on to the rope you would be "safe" from death and BEING saved.
The only safety for a Christian is the daily death to ones self. Paul said "I die daily.." meaning setting aside his own will will to follow the will of Christ. Its not a matter of "worry" as you put it, its a matter of choice...daily choice.
If anyone is truly submitted to Christ and has given their will over to Him, they will not sin against God.
Living a life with Christ is a "war"...the Bible indicates this clearly. Paul said near the end of his life, "I have fought a good fight...."
War against what? Fought against whom?
The Bible says...Fight the good fight of faith!
Put on the whole armour of God - Eph 6:11
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God - Eph 6:13
The Bible identifies that "armour", each piece. Study that.
Jesus said "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation." Matthew 26:41
Why watch or pray or "worry" about temptation if it can't hurt you??
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. - 1 Thessalonians 5:6
Heres why.....
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8.
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might." Ephesians 6:10
Jesus said, "Without me ye can do nothing. John 15:5
Was he lying??? I think not!
Fact is, the Bible says we can have "the mind of Christ"...anyone with the mind of Christ, that is to say that is doing HIS will will NOT be found to be murdering, fearful, etc etc Those that continue in those things will be rewarded with death, not eternal life.
There shall in no wise enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth." Revelation 21:27
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, . . . nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God." Matthew 5:8
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." 1 John 5:12.
Jesus put it this way....
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
One must abide in Christ which involves more then accepting Him but ACTING upon that acceptance...."Faith without works is dead", and the "works" in question here is the daily death to self.
Can you be a believer and be "saved" for while, then lost? Jesus said so....
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." Luke 8:12, 13
When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it
When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby."
"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey?"
"He that doeth righteousness is righteous . . . He that committeth sin is of the devil." 1 John 3:7, 8.
"If after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire" 2 Peter 2:20-22
The fact is one can be "saved" and then become "lost" again.
One can, like King Saul, let go of the rope (Christ) any time one chooses to do so. If we hold on to Christ, he hold on to us...but he doesnt, and will not hold us against our will.
The fact is that if one is truly "abiding in Christ", connected TO Him like a branch to a vine as He said, has the "mind of Christ" and is putting aside his own will to allow the will of God to reign in his life, he will not commit a sin that ends his own life. Period.
The sinless life of Jesus and sacrifice upon the cross did more then pay the penalty, it showed us how we can live, Christ provided a way out of living in sin....by the POWER of God.
Theres alot more...my advice to you is put aside the incomplete view you've been taught & keep studying!
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