Spear of Jesus (Discorvery special)

[babygurl]

Paul you bring up good points in a lot of your debates about religion...

As far as worshipping the bible, and having faith in its teachings....

worship- wor·ship ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wûrshp)
n.

The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
Ardent devotion; adoration.
often Worship Chiefly British. Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.

v. wor·shiped, or wor·shipped wor·ship·ing, or wor·ship·ping wor·ships or wor·ships
v. tr.
To honor and love as a DEITY.
To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.

v. intr.
To participate in religious rites of worship.
To perform an act of worship.

de·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t, d-)
n. pl. de·i·ties
A god or goddess.

The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.
Deity God. Used with the.

Bi·ble ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bbl)
n.

The sacred book of Christianity, a collection of ancient writings including the books of both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Hebrew Scriptures, the sacred book of Judaism.
A particular copy of a Bible: the old family Bible.
A book or collection of writings constituting the sacred text of a religion.
often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking.


The American Dictionary describes the Bible as a sacred text of religion. And honestly I see where Paul gets his opinon from. Christains have faith in God as well as the teachings that are in the bible itself. So I can see where he says you worship a book.relic. And technically speaking the bible is old, so therefore it is a relic.

rel·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rlk)
n.
Something that has survived the passage of time, especially an object or custom whose original culture has disappeared: “Corporal punishment was a relic of barbarism” (Cyril Connolly).
Something cherished for its age or historic interest.
An object kept for its association with the past; a memento.
An object of religious veneration, especially a piece of the body or a personal item of a saint.
or relics A corpse; remains

The bible itself, has survived 1000's of years. So there for it is a relic. But its also a tool to be used in daily life, a guidance if you will... Also the bible is just like the Laws we have set forth by the Government. I have faith in the laws that we have, well most anyways....lol...But do I pray to the President of the US...NO, do I love the Governemt and have devotion to it. I am citzen of the US so there for I have a likeness for the country itself. And what we stand for Freedom.

I believe in the words, and teachings the Bible offers. I believe in God. I pray to God.

Metalman - you say that Christains shun the worship of objects..What about the Crosses that people hang into their houses, believing that it will protect them from evil, it being blessed by holy water? Isnt that putting faith into a object if you twist it the correct way. There are many interpretations of what worshipping is, and what is being a good Christain.

Again I see both points...

[metalman]

Metalman - you say that Christains shun the worship of objects..What about the Crosses that people hang into their houses, believing that it will protect them from evil, it being blessed by holy water? Isnt that putting faith into a object if you twist it the correct way. There are many interpretations of what worshipping is, and what is being a good Christain.

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The Bible defines that as idolotry. The fact the people practice it makes it no less so. Also the fact they THINK its not doesnt change it from being idolotry either.

Furthermore the cross is the oldest pagan symbol known in history and is only an emblem of torture and shame. We could fill this server with the study of the pagan sun cross itself.

So, what you have are...1. people that KNOW it is idolotry but don't care, or make rationalizations because of their denominational practice etc, 2. sincere people that honestly don't realize their religious practice is idolotry and will CHANGE the minute they find out and understand, 3. people who have already learned that it is idolotry and will not do so under any circumstances.

As to who is who, God will be the Judge.

[babygurl]

The Bible defines that as idolotry. The fact the people practice it makes it no less so. Also the fact they THINK its not doesnt change it from being idolotry either.

Furthermore the cross is the oldest pagan symbol known in history and is only an emblem of torture and shame. We could fill this server with the study of the pagan sun cross itself.

So, what you have are...1. people that KNOW it is idolotry but don't care, or make rationalizations because of their denominational practice etc, 2. sincere people that honestly don't realize their religious practice is idolotry and will CHANGE the minute they find out and understand, 3. people who have already learned that it is idolotry and will not do so under any circumstances.

As to who is who, God will be the Judge.

Well since you seem to think you know so much about religion, I havent seen you post up exactly what your religion is if any?

I have seen first hand, where catholics put a cross in their house, as protection!! And you are correct God will be the Judge...espeically if you past judgement against others

[metalman]

Well since you seem to think you know so much about religion, I havent seen you post up exactly what your religion is if any?

I have seen first hand, where catholics put a cross in their house, as protection!! And you are correct God will be the Judge...espeically if you past judgement against others

Christian.

I have also seen firsthand where catholics and many others, baptists, pentecostals, you name it, engage in idolotry too. So what?

The cross protects NOTHING. It is a pagan symbol of sun worship. It was sign of the Roman gods and as such was the reason it was used for crucifixions. Each was considered a sacrfice to the sun god.

[babygurl]

Christian.

I have also seen firsthand where catholics and many others, baptists, pentecostals, you name it, engage in idolotry too. So what?

The cross protects NOTHING. It is a pagan symbol of sun worship. It was sign of the Roman gods and as such was the reason it was used for crucifixions. Each was considered a sacrfice to the sun god.

hmmmm nice...