Christians...do you drink?

[metalman]

drinking is fine in the bible, as long as you arent drunk.

How much does it take to be "drunk"??
This logic is a slippery slope.

I have seen published facts such as...
Tests show that after drinking 36oz of beer, there is an average of 13 percent net memory loss.

Trained typists were tested after a drink and their errors increased 40 percent.

Only one ounce of alcohol increases the time required to make a decision by nearly 10 percent; hinders muscular reaction by 17 percent; increases errors due to lack of attention by 35 percent by and 60 percent due to lack of muscular coordination.

Does one need to be puking in the toilet to be considered "drunk"?
I have done my share of drinking, I am quite familiar with it. It only takes a small amount of alchohol for a person to be inebriated to some degree.
So how "drunk" does a person have to be to be considered "drunk"?
Inebriation is just that, whether a little or alot.

why do you think jesus turned water into wine?

Well the question is what kind of "wine" did Jesus make. One that inebriated people or who would have already been so since they consumed all the wine (if it was alcohol) in sight, OR was it simply fresh fruit of the vine, which is in keeping with every Scriptural principle about alcohol.

[{X}Echo419]

How much does it take to be "drunk"??
This logic is a slippery slope.

I have seen published facts such as...
Tests show that after drinking 36oz of beer, there is an average of 13 percent net memory loss.

Trained typists were tested after a drink and their errors increased 40 percent.

Only one ounce of alcohol increases the time required to make a decision by nearly 10 percent; hinders muscular reaction by 17 percent; increases errors due to lack of attention by 35 percent by and 60 percent due to lack of muscular coordination.

Does one need to be puking in the toilet to be considered "drunk"?
I have done my share of drinking, I am quite familiar with it. It only takes a small amount of alchohol for a person to be inebriated to some degree.
So how "drunk" does a person have to be to be considered "drunk"?
Inebriation is just that, whether a little or alot.



Well the question is what kind of "wine" did Jesus make. One that inebriated people or who would have already been so since they consumed all the wine (if it was alcohol) in sight, OR was it simply fresh fruit of the vine, which is in keeping with every Scriptural principle about alcohol.

that's only b/c the typists wanted to get the hell out of the test so they could have more beer

[metalman]

that's only b/c the typists wanted to get the hell out of the test so they could have more beer

prolly so!

[Dark.GEAR]

not trying to be a b*tch here but...(here comes the flaming after this)....there are truely no REAL Christians that I have seen or met.....
they are too caught up in the moment and really never think about their "sins" while they are committing it (getting drunk and lieing for example) THEN wants their souls saved by confessing or what not. So they don't really follow what they believe...or more so they change what Christianity is TRULY about and live their life around that...AS LONG AS THEIR SOUL IS SAVED AND END UP IN HEAVEN...in the end (death) which is really sad
So whats the difference with just 1 more sin...?

like i said...maybe this is just my situation...someone's experience with Christians could be different



Please don't kill me...LOL ....truly not tryin to be mean or anything

[chuck]

not trying to be a b*tch here but...(here comes the flaming after this)....there are truely no REAL Christians that I have seen or met.....
they are too caught up in the moment and really never think about their "sins" while they are committing it (getting drunk and lieing for example) THEN wants their souls saved by confessing or what not. So they don't really follow what they believe...or more so they change what Christianity is TRULY about and live their life around that...AS LONG AS THEIR SOUL IS SAVED AND END UP IN HEAVEN...in the end (death) which is really sad
So whats the difference with just 1 more sin...?

like i said...maybe this is just my situation...someone's experience with Christians could be different



Please don't kill me...LOL ....truly not tryin to be mean or anything

from the sound of it i'm guessing you are catholic??? just a guess though.

but yeah, there are a lot of real christians out there, i know of 100's 1st hand i could introduce you to. if you want to talk about "real christians" vs. hyprocracy (why i left the church in the first place) then you have a whole new can of worms, a whole new subject and a whole new thread...lets just stick to the topic at hand now, but feel free to start a new thread



and yes, the bible says not to "practice drunkenness"....by definition the word drunkenness refers to drinking out of habit and drinking to an extent of loosing motor skills...


-thessalonians mentions being sober and 'abstaining for the appearance of evil'
-all through proverbs, luke, john, etc there are several mentions of god forbidding drunkenness but never a mention not to drink that comes from god.


but even the bible itself could be considered by some somewhat conflicting over the issue, but we also have to remember that 2000 years ago and even 200 years ago there was a completely different view on the use of wines and alchy...like the medecinal uses and such....
in timothy and titus (1st tim, chap 3) paul mentions that in order to qualify for a person to be an elder they must be sober and "not given to wine"....but just a few chapters later in timothy (1st timmy, chapt 5) you can see paul suggesting that timothy drink some wine for his upset stomach.

but also, who knows how strong the wine was back then, and how much you had to drink to be "drunk" . some historians think that the wine was very weak and that someone could only become "drunk" after 5-6 hours of straight drinking


i could go on and on about what the bible says but the beauty of it all is that we can all choose to do whatever we want...what you believe is up to you, and no one else has the right to try to persuade you otherwise




and no, i don't consider myself a christian...so if you see me out, keep the hypocrit comments to yourself or come share a beer