How does quoting the bible make it true?

[Hulud]

i mean when we have a dicussion i see most people quoting the bible/ and other people trying to pass claim that its true

i mean thats like me saying A+B=C because the equation says it does.....

just some food for thought when you try to use verses in a discussion they arent taken seriously, they are taken like a grain of salt from most people i talk to even religious people

[babowc]

well, it doesnt become true by just quoting it.
it becomes true by you actually believing.

i'm sure people will think im nuts.
as with any religion, faith is the bottom line.

[Hulud]

well, it doesnt become true by just quoting it.
it becomes true by you actually believing.

i'm sure people will think im nuts.
as with any religion, faith is the bottom line.

i know what your saying but there are a couple people on here who jsut use verses from the bible as their only defense when asked a question. its like they know what they want to say but dont know why they think that

[babowc]

oh.. i just did one on one of the threads a little further down..
i guess because they believe it to be true.
but then, that doesnt work for the nonbelievers.

[{X}Echo419]

i mean when we have a dicussion i see most people quoting the bible trying to pass claim that its true

i mean thats like me saying A+B=C because the equation says it does.....

just some food for thought when you try to use verses in a discussion they arent taken seriously, they are taken like a grain of salt from most people i talk to even religious people

it's like when some quotes Einstein or Mark Twain about the oppsite. it was in another thread here in the religon section about historical figures that didn't believe in God

[Hulud]

oh.. i just did one on one of the threads a little further down..
i guess because they believe it to be true.
but then, that doesnt work for the nonbelievers.

no its not that, its that their only reasoning is because it is said so.

ok get this A=B i could sit there till im blue in the face sayin its true, but i dont have any reason why i believe its true other than Faith, youd be questioning me too.

im not saying all people are like this, im not saying most people are like this, just a couple people i have seen on here that dont really know why they believe what they do other than they were taught to

[Hulud]

it's like when some quotes Einstein or Mark Twain about the oppsite. it was in another thread here in the religon section about historical figures that didn't believe in God

yes exactly, i didnt see those or i would have put them in the comment too

its not the quoting that makes no sense, its the blind belief in something with out any idea of why you think a certain thing, whether it be religious people or not

[babowc]

i dotn know what to say anymore

[Hulud]

i dotn know what to say anymore

lol wtf

[Hulud]

i editted it now

[babowc]

i found out what to say.
so you're saying...
people who dont know what and why they believe in are quoting these things from the bible and you find it.. odd, rediculous, etc.

i'd have to say those people dont have a valid point unless they actually studied the bible a little more.
quotes from the bible can mean alot more and many different things, as bible shouldnt be taken LITERALLY word for word.
so.. for instance, old testament said eye for an eye.
the new testament said, forgive 77 times.

so, i suppose if those people heard the old testament before the new testament, they would obliviously do the same. Eye for an eye.

again, these people dont have a valid point unless they study and understand the bible more.

[Hulud]

i found out what to say.
so you're saying...
people who dont know what and why they believe in are quoting these things from the bible and you find it.. odd, rediculous, etc.

i'd have to say those people dont have a valid point unless they actually studied the bible a little more.
quotes from the bible can mean alot more and many different things, as bible shouldnt be taken LITERALLY word for word.
so.. for instance, old testament said eye for an eye.
the new testament said, forgive 77 times.

so, i suppose if those people heard the old testament before the new testament, they would obliviously do the same. Eye for an eye.

again, these people dont have a valid point unless they study and understand the bible more.

exactly what im sayin

[babowc]

its like the islams or muslims who believe they should kill for their god.
they have no point, they dont know the entire thing.
they're going to hell, even in their religion belief, not only in christian belief.

[Jason04srt4]

i mean when we have a dicussion i see most people quoting the bible/ and other people trying to pass claim that its true

i mean thats like me saying A+B=C because the equation says it does.....

just some food for thought when you try to use verses in a discussion they arent taken seriously, they are taken like a grain of salt from most people i talk to even religious people

Because that is what we(christians) believe in. How could you as a non believer take us seriously if we did not quote the Word which we believe and have faith in? It doesn't make sense to you because you don't believe i.e. have faith.

Why does a non believer such as your self constantly post in the religion section, yet you don't believe in God. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I know this is america and you can do whatever in the hell you want. but come on. It makes no sense at all. Just like us having faith in the Word makes no sense to you.
:confused: You expect christians to reply to your repetitive questions that make us look bad without using the Word which we believe in?

[Hulud]

Because that is what we(christians) believe in. How could you as a non believer take us seriously if we did not quote the Word which we believe and have faith in? It doesn't make sense to you because you don't believe i.e. have faith.

Why does a non believer such as your self constantly post in the religion section, yet you don't believe in God. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I know this is america and you can do whatever in the hell you want. but come on. It makes no sense at all. Just like us having faith in the Word makes no sense to you.
:confused: You expect christians to reply to your repetitive questions that make us look bad without using the Word which we believe in?

you sir need to learn how to read, because you missed my point

and plus since when do you have to be religious to post questions about religion? :confused:

[babowc]

well, what he tried to say was :
for those who dont know what and why they're believing in the religion.
when they start quoting stuff out of the bible for the sake of defending theirselves for that reason w.o knowing exactly what the quote is about.

i feel the same was as hulud does for those applicable..however, i'm a christian.

main reason many people wander away from christianity or any other religion is because of the people involved in the religion themselves.
my father left christianty for 5+ years and just came back because of so many false pastors and preachers and church members.

we all are hypocrits and human, but its unacceptable for the head (pastor,preacher, father, etc.) of the church to lie, decieve, and be hypocrits.

[Jason04srt4]

i found out what to say.
so you're saying...
people who dont know what and why they believe in are quoting these things from the bible and you find it.. odd, rediculous, etc.

i'd have to say those people dont have a valid point unless they actually studied the bible a little more.
quotes from the bible can mean alot more and many different things, as bible shouldnt be taken LITERALLY word for word.
so.. for instance, old testament said eye for an eye.
the new testament said, forgive 77 times.

so, i suppose if those people heard the old testament before the new testament, they would obliviously do the same. Eye for an eye.

again, these people dont have a valid point unless they study and understand the bible more.

I Agree with you. We have a lot of crazy christians in the world today who take the word at face value and never look deeper into the the Word i.e. the original languages Hebrew, Caldean, Greek, figures of speech, etc. Hebrew and greek are more complicated languages than english, and when translated into english only one word was writen yet there could have been 3 different definitions for that very same word in the hebrew or greek. Also, many christians take certain verses and try and make them mean something they want to mean. Many verses are taken out of the context because the subject which is being taught is not taken into consideration. Also, non believers and christians alike need to understand that the kjv bible was translated by man into english from other languages and there could be written mistakes in it, which is pointed out in the 1611 kjv bible(Letter to the reader at the begining of the bible). That is why it is important to refer back to the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts for yourself. This confusion is why there are so many denominations of Christanity, and why non believers have a field day when pointing out verses that contradict each other.

[{X}Echo419]

yes exactly, i didnt see those or i would have put them in the comment too

its not the quoting that makes no sense, its the blind belief in something with out any idea of why you think a certain thing, whether it be religious people or not

for some reason people think if they quote a famous/smart person it makes their point more valid.
look at from a Christian perspective. if you believed that the Bible is the Word of God than quoting it would add substance to what you are trying to say. the same principle could be applied to a slew of other topics. IMO

[CSquared]

Family guy 3:16

Yay and God said to Abraham, "you will kill your son, Issak", and Abraham said, "I can't hear you, you'll have to speak into the microphone." "Oh I'm sorry, Is this better? Check, check, check... Jerry, pull the high end out, I'm still getting some hiss back here."

[babowc]

^:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: ^

[Jason04srt4]

you sir need to learn how to read, because you missed my point

I sir, know how to read.

i mean when we have a dicussion i see most people quoting the bible/ and other people trying to pass claim that its true

It's not my fault you don't believe in the bible, but you complain about us quoting it when we defend it? :confused:

[Bishop]

I sir, know how to read.

Apreantly not...

It's not my fault you don't believe in the bible, but you complain about us quoting it when we defend it? :confused:

i dont see him complaining, he's simply just asking a question. Are you just pissed because you are one of the people that is doing this?

[Jason04srt4]

i dont see him complaining, he's simply just asking a question. Are you just pissed because you are one of the people that is doing this?

Why would I be pissed for someone pointing out that I, a christian, post using Biblical scripture to defend what I believe. That is what I am suppose to do. The Word is what I believe and have faith in.

[metalman]

I usually give reason, logic, evidence, and Scripture. Sometimes only one or the other.
Depends on the situation. As Jason has said its hard to ask a Christian what they believe and not get a Bible answer, afterall that is the source of the wisdom and belief and he is right, thats what they are supposed to do.

Sometimes I use almost exclusive Bible answers for the simple reason I am reaching out to believers of that Book. I may know that the questioner does not believe in the Bible and although I may be giving an answer to their question its not really for them.

[Hulud]

I usually give reason, logic, evidence, and Scripture. Sometimes only one or the other.
Depends on the situation. As Jason has said its hard to ask a Christian what they believe and not get a Bible answer, afterall that is the source of the wisdom and belief and he is right, thats what they are supposed to do.

Sometimes I use almost exclusive Bible answers for the simple reason I am reaching out to believers of that Book. I may know that the questioner does not believe in the Bible and although I may be giving an answer to their question its not really for them.

i know you actually post good discussions and know how to use the bible with more than just quotes like some people

[Hulud]

Why would I be pissed for someone pointing out that I, a christian, post using Biblical scripture to defend what I believe. That is what I am suppose to do. The Word is what I believe and have faith in.

you obviously dont know what i am asking.

[David88vert]

Hmmm, why do people post scientific articles if they have not done the actual testing themselves?

Answer: They have faith that the scientist wrote it correctly.

A scientific paper is just that - a paper. It's one man's interpretation of his observations.

Why didn't you ask that question also?

Just food for thought.....

[Hulud]

Hmmm, why do people post scientific articles if they have not done the actual testing themselves?

Answer: They have faith that the scientist wrote it correctly.

A scientific paper is just that - a paper. It's one man's interpretation of his observations.

Why didn't you ask that question also?

Just food for thought.....

you obviously only read the thread title, go back and read what i typed.

i mean when we have a dicussion i see most people quoting the bible/ and other people trying to pass claim that its true

what i meant by the comment is why do people try to claim these things as true without knowing what the fuck they are talking about

[Romeyo07]

I enjoy hulud's posts....feel free to keep posting brudda.

I've said this to a few people, but, sometimes it's not always the right time to quote the bible. If I just met Hulud (for example) and he knows nothing about nothing at all...quoting the bible does no good because it means nothing to him. Now if I were to talk to him, he is interested in knowing more, then it would be appropriate to quote the bible for more reference.

It means nothing to those who don't believe it's true. I find it to be very true. I've been lost and been able to find my way through the bible. I'm talking about daily issues everyone deals with. Stress, fear, doubt, etc. The bible has something to say about all of these things. When it lead me right the first time, I found it easier to believe the second, third, and so on.

We find it to be true, its the basis of our guide in life. That's why we quote it.

[babowc]

although this is a little off topic,
found a scientific proof for one of the "stories" in the bible.

well, i dont know how much of this may make sense, but in the bible, it is told that there was 1 day taken away from earth by god.. im not exactly sure of the reason (its in the bible).
anyways, it was proven by NASA that.. after they somehow tracked back the days, it showed ~24hrs was missing from earth's life. (dont ask me how they found out, it was in a news article with someone from NASA)

so.. theres one proof..
sorry if it didnt make sense

[Hulud]

although this is a little off topic,
found a scientific proof for one of the "stories" in the bible.

well, i dont know how much of this may make sense, but in the bible, it is told that there was 1 day taken away from earth by god.. im not exactly sure of the reason (its in the bible).
anyways, it was proven by NASA that.. after they somehow tracked back the days, it showed ~24hrs was missing from earth's life. (dont ask me how they found out, it was in a news article with someone from NASA)

so.. theres one proof..
sorry if it didnt make sense

link?

[Romeyo07]

and where does it say it in the bible? Never heard of this...

[Georgiaman]

haha i would like to here more about the NASA story, but for most devote Christians the word is there defense and it is said in the bible it is sharper than a two edged sword. So the words if you read them and study them are informational, wise, and convicting not condeming because comdemtion is from the Devil coviction is from God

[babowc]

yeah.. its at my pastor's place.
she has an article, however its in korean..
so if you can translate it goodie..
i'll get it next week sometime

[Romeyo07]

Joshua 10:13 - where it's at

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...s/970325g.html - the answer

He's claiming science hasn't proved it.