What do Christians think about dinosaur fossils? Or just dinosaurs in general. Later, QD.
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What do Christians think about dinosaur fossils? Or just dinosaurs in general. Later, QD.
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they had a discussion on this in another thread
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the devil put them there to make humans believe there is no god. just another form of evil trying to corrupt your life, as if u believe there were dinosaurs, there isnt a god, or at least a god the bible speaks of, and such your soul would go to the devil....
...who uses it to buy new fossils.<jp>
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
I have already stated my thoughts on this in another thread...I'll do so again here.
As to dinosaurs...to me the Bible infers something. God destroyed the world by flood (Noah) because man "worshiped the creature more then the Creator" and because man was "evil continually". The Scripture states the God saved "that which he had made" or pairs and sevens etc of that life. That tells me he DIDNT save what he DID NOT make, in fact he destroyed it.
Think about it...mans lifespan before the flood was nearly 1000 years. Humans then were much more "pefect" and closer to what Adam was then are we. They were much more perfect in their knowlege and wisdom. Their worship of the creature obviously included manipulating God's creation...making, breeding, cloning whatever..dinasours. When God destroyed
the earth he destroyed those works of men too. The oil and coal we make energy from come from the buried vegetation and animal life that was destroyed in the flood.
The Bible states "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in day of the coming of the Son...." (end days )
What are earthly scientists involved in today??? Hmmm...dabbling with "creation"...cloning...genetic manipulation etc etc
And contrary to popular opinion evidences of man and dinasour have been found in the same layer of earth.
I agree with cherry kool aid in one sense...they were created "of the devil" who inspired the antidelivian peoples to make them in the first place.
This is something i've always pondered upon myself.... i think the Bible gives some reference to dinosaurs in the Book of Genisis. It's just not very clear. And as metalman says i definitely think God destroyed them in the flood.
Here's the verse I believe Killer is referring to... It just mentions "beasts"... I dunno if it is really referring to dinosaurs, but it's possible.
Genesis 1-30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the groundeverything that has the breath of life in itI give every green plant for food." And it was so.
ok ive got a question, if there is 100% scientific proof that the meteor killed them, what would you think then? jw not questioning your faithOriginally Posted by Killer
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I know you're asking Killer, but my opinion is-
If there's proof, there's proof. I would just assume it was within the (however many) thousands of years before Adam and Eve which isn't mentioned in the bible.
There's scientific proof that the earth has been here for around 6,000 years...
2000 years- Before Christ
2000 years- From Christ til now
Where's the other 2000 years? It was either A) not talked about in the bible, or B) it took God "7 days" to create the earth- however, a day is as a thousand years in the eyes of God...
Just food for thought...
you see thats one thing i never understood with the bible (when i was growing up going to church) is that it is all up for interpretation and people use the parts that they feel fit them and not all of it (not saying you do that since i dont know you). but its like back when christianity first came about people were taking the words from teh bible literally, but now that science has evolved and shed more light about the earth and other things, people start to interpret the bible differently.
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I'll give you that. It's very wish-washy and I don't think we'll ever truely understand everything til we get to Heaven, ya know.
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yea i see what your saying
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I think some things are meant literal and some aren't...
Don't know why it'd be confusing like that, but it sure keeps us Christians (and non christians) interested enough to keep reading and studying. Maybe that was the plan.
that could be, but you can look at the flip side.I think some things are meant literal and some aren't...
Don't know why it'd be confusing like that, but it sure keeps us Christians (and non christians) interested enough to keep reading and studying. Maybe that was the plan.
the bible was written by man (who supposedly was spoken to by god)
i mean look at all the people that claim themselves to be good christians, but are complete hypocrits. you never know if someone along the lines edited the bible for personal gain or made it vague because it could have been shown to be a fraud. its just that it was written by humans thats my main point, that you never know their real intentions.
*disclaimer* i am NOT attacking your religion, just putting my feelings out there
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that's just it.. there is no 100% proof... and i didn't say that God killed them in the flood for sure i said i think... the dinosaur thing is something i'm not sure of.. and like i said it gives some reference to dinosaurs in genisis... that's about it for me... But it there was 100% proof that a meteor destroyed the dinosaurs i would say "golly gee God can throw a mean fast ball!"
i know i was just throwing a hypothetical out there
i know you didnt say for sure i was just askingand i didn't say that God killed them in the flood for sure i said i think... the dinosaur thing is something i'm not sure of.. and like i said it gives some reference to dinosaurs in genisis... that's about it for me... But it there was 100% proof that a meteor destroyed the dinosaurs i would say "golly gee God can throw a mean fast ball!"
hahaha fast ball
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Lol ^^^
True... The bible is man made(wrote)... There prob are faults in it, just not lots and lots of them.
Doubt of Scriptural validity is a human issue.
One way is to "test" the Bible. The Bible gives promises. It basicly says if you do certian things God promises certian results. To those who have "tested" this there is no doubt as to validity of the Word. They've lived it. Theyve seen it with their own eyes. Also it can be "tested" by seeing the things around us that have come about exactly like the Bible said they would.
Yet in part, Christianity and Bible believing will always require a measure of faith. Its ordained to be that way. The reason - God wants humans to believe Him, just on his word alone, and He wants to preserve/save only those that have that kind of faith in order to make an utter end of sin/evil.
As I have said before, if you believe in a God that can create the worlds with only his spoken word how can you not believe this same God has the power to preserve His Book and the integrity of it? But if you want to be sure just "test" it.
i just flat out dont trust many humans
most are out to do whats best for them, and take no prisoners attitude
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Dinosaurs would have been after the period of Adam and Eve. They would have been destroyed by the great flood.. or a meteor.. or both...
It could be that the meteor CAUSED the great "flood"
The general consensus amongst most christians is the mentioning of animals in the Bible:
"The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth and livyathan.
Tanniyn = Dragon, or Dinosaur
Behemoth = Brachiosaurus
Leviathan = Kronosaurus. "
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We are not meant to understand GOD's words exactly. We are to just interpret them the best we can
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Agreed...
In Job 40:17 There is mention to a behemoth thats tail moves like a cedar tree.
I believe that the earth is millions of years old and so are the dinosaur fossils.
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^^^ Very interesting point! I've never saw that before. Here it is:
Job 14- 15 "Look at the behemoth, [a]
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!
17 His tail [b] sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.
19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.
The footnotes say this is "possibly" referring to an elephant or rhino and that the "tail" is referring to it's trunk, but I think it's possible that it's referring to dinosaurs. Not positive, but very interesting!
More interesting is the statement "He Ranks First amongst the work of God".... Which would point more towards dinosaurs...
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that dosen't question the "faith" at all.
like I've said b4. there are somethings in the Bible that had to be vague just b/c people at the time could not have comprehended it
I like to see someone try to prove where the bible rejects the existince of dinosaurs. It's oblvious dinosaurs were real, and it's obvious that the bible never says they didn't exist. However, it never said elephants, crocodiles, toucans, sharks, octopuses, clams, turtles, mosquitos or any other animal existed that didn't directly affect the teachings of the Bible.
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did i EVER say it was questioning YOUR faith? NOthat dosen't question the "faith" at all.
like I've said b4. there are somethings in the Bible that had to be vague just b/c people at the time could not have comprehended it
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had this been true.. remains woul dhave been found in places that wouldnt make sense... but guess what.. they arent found in places that dont make sense
bible = man manipulated pretty story book of bullshit
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that dosen't question the "faith" at all.
like I've said b4. there are somethings in the Bible that had to be vague just b/c people at the time could not have comprehended it
people have to be vague NOW just to comprehend the bible. science is tearing it apart
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this is kind a dumb question for christians... they have found fossil remains that are from the Triassic period which is over 200million years old, so that blows the 1000's of years out of the water and how people like to explain it w/ the bible is beyond me.
it is amazing that there is not a human fossils dating back 200+ million years ago so that would explain that humans did not exsist... well not until a a monkey or some other form of primative animal turned into man.
I don't think it was actually a dumb question. I just like to read what different beliefed people think of stuff that has a potential to "wreck"(can't think of the right word) the Creation. Later, QD.
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I am sorry but you guys relying on "science" to prove a beginning other then creation obviously havent studied into carbon dating...the corner stone of evolutionary "time".
More holes in that than a rusted out Civic from northern Minnesota!
Then when you throw polonium halos into the discussion the rest of evolution's theory that everything (bedrock) forms over millions of years goes right out the window.
Add to that the "modern" objects that are in fact petrified (which many scientists say takes millions of years) and you slide even further down the slippery slope....and so one and so forth....the list continues.
Actually I give you evolutionists ALOT of credit...youre a very "religious" bunch! You have wayyyyyy more faith then any christian or group of christians. You actually believe that if you took an empty box, shook it for millions of years, then opened it, you'd have all the intricate parts needed to make up an organisim more sophisticated then the most complex Rolex watch. Then, you believe if you continued shaking that box for a few more million or billion years you'd end up with a perfectly assembled functioning creature (Rolex watch) that works just perfectly. Yeahhhhhh right!! Thats "science" all right! You are a faithful bunch!! I don't have that kind of "faith"
...keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred...
Nah. If anything, it would be the same amount of faith. Later, QD.
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personally i believe evolution and creation go hand and hand... not the christian point of view of creation, but some form of it. you can't make something from nothing, but evolution is just exactly what life is. we see it and live it every day. the bible was written for nothing more than for people to rationalize the unexplained (death). if the roman empire never crumbled we would all still be worshiping the emperor and the GODS.I am sorry but you guys relying on "science" to prove a beginning other then creation obviously havent studied into carbon dating...the corner stone of evolutionary "time".
More holes in that than a rusted out Civic from northern Minnesota!
Then when you throw polonium halos into the discussion the rest of evolution's theory that everything (bedrock) forms over millions of years goes right out the window.
Add to that the "modern" objects that are in fact petrified (which many scientists say takes millions of years) and you slide even further down the slippery slope....and so one and so forth....the list continues.
Actually I give you evolutionists ALOT of credit...youre a very "religious" bunch! You have wayyyyyy more faith then any christian or group of christians. You actually believe that if you took an empty box, shook it for millions of years, then opened it, you'd have all the intricate parts needed to make up an organisim more sophisticated then the most complex Rolex watch. Then, you believe if you continued shaking that box for a few more million or billion years you'd end up with a perfectly assembled functioning creature (Rolex watch) that works just perfectly. Yeahhhhhh right!! Thats "science" all right! You are a faithful bunch!! I don't have that kind of "faith"
...keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred...
I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say you did.
not true. science still can't explain the Creation of the Universe. sorry but a void of absolute nothing exploding and becoming the Uni-fucking-verse dosen't sound very plausable
For once, with you, I agree.not true. science still can't explain the Creation of the Universe. sorry but a void of absolute nothing exploding and becoming the Uni-fucking-verse dosen't sound very plausable
But at the same time, how pausible does it seem that an unseen, being/spirit, being God, just says, "Let it be." And it is. Ya know. Later, QD.
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You are entitled to your opinion of course.
But your answer indicates clearly you havent studied much into the subject.
Later,
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