? mainly for paul but all can join!

[Kelly]

I will say that I've heard personal testimonys of stuff like that happening.

Ex:
In the mid 80's a teenager named Brian Warner moved to a new town, and began to meet with a youth group at a local church. He was sort of an awkward kid, a little different, and no one really wanted to talk to him.
The youth pastor would go over to him, and do the usual pastor thing, you know, "how are you, that's good" and then move on to talk to the other more popular kids. The pastor didn't need to concern himself with Brian, after all, before moving to town; Brian had attended a Christian school all his life up to the 8th grade.

One day, they went to an amusement park and the pastor wanted them to be in pairs, but NO ONE wanted to pair with Brian, so he walked the amusement park by himself. The pastor didn't think he needed to talk to Brian that day because he knew Brian had been raised in the church. Brian stayed in the youth group for about 3 months, and one day he just stopped coming.

Several years later, the youth pastor had become a leader of a seminary, and one of his former students called his old youth pastor one day, and asked him if he remembered a kid named Brian Warner. The pastor had to think a minute, then said he kind of remembered the name, but that was all. The caller reminded the pastor about the kid who was awkward, that no one liked, and suddenly the pastor recalled who he was. The guy asked the former youth pastor, "Do you know who he is now?" The pastor said, "No," and the guy gave him a hint, "He doesn't go by Brian anymore." The pastor was baffled, "Well, who is he then?"

The reply . . . "Brian Warner is now Marilyn Manson . . ."

[Hulud]

I will say that I've heard personal testimonys of Christians themselfs hurting someone or not paying them enough attention with the end result being them turning from God.

Ex:
In the mid 80's a teenager named Brian Warner moved to a new town, and began to meet with a youth group at a local church. He was sort of an awkward kid, a little different, and no one really wanted to talk to him.
The youth pastor would go over to him, and do the usual pastor thing, you know, "how are you, that's good" and then move on to talk to the other more popular kids. The pastor didn't need to concern himself with Brian, after all, before moving to town; Brian had attended a Christian school all his life up to the 8th grade.

One day, they went to an amusement park and the pastor wanted them to be in pairs, but NO ONE wanted to pair with Brian, so he walked the amusement park by himself. The pastor didn't think he needed to talk to Brian that day because he knew Brian had been raised in the church. Brian stayed in the youth group for about 3 months, and one day he just stopped coming.

Several years later, the youth pastor had become a leader of a seminary, and one of his former students called his old youth pastor one day, and asked him if he remembered a kid named Brian Warner. The pastor had to think a minute, then said he kind of remembered the name, but that was all. The caller reminded the pastor about the kid who was awkward, that no one liked, and suddenly the pastor recalled who he was. The guy asked the former youth pastor, "Do you know who he is now?" The pastor said, "No," and the guy gave him a hint, "He doesn't go by Brian anymore." The pastor was baffled, "Well, who is he then?"

The reply . . . "Brian Warner is now Marilyn Manson . . ."

the point of the story is???
just because the pastor shows no attention he becomes an atheist?
its not like he is a bad person, just is in a band that is anti christianity

[Kelly]

the point of the story is???
just because the pastor shows no attention he becomes an atheist?
its not like he is a bad person, just is in a band that is anti christianity

Leading others to be anti-christian... This is where the problem is.

[Hulud]

Leading others to be anti-christian... This is where the problem is.

im sorry but if a band leads you to be anti anything thats fucking dumb.
people need to think for themselves

[Kelly]

im sorry but if a band leads you to be anti anything thats fucking dumb.
people need to think for themselves

Agreed!

[Killer]

im sorry but if a band leads you to be anti anything thats fucking dumb.
people need to think for themselves

i agree... but a lot of people are very easily influenced... think about it...
you've got all these rappers sayin how great the thug life is.. and in response we get all these white boys tryin to be thugs... when yeah i'm sure life is great for the rappers.. but not your everday teen age american boy that is in a gang dodging bullets every other night... living in poverty... (i'm not sayin that's the only reasons we have gangs in america, but i know that contributes to it) same thing with a lot of other things... again my point is many people are easily influenced by things they shouldn't be.

[Hulud]

i agree... but a lot of people are very easily influenced... think about it...

i kn ow people are easily influenced which is sad

you've got all these rappers sayin how great the thug life is.. and in response we get all these white boys tryin to be thugs... when yeah i'm sure life is great for the rappers.. but not your everday teen age american boy that is in a gang dodging bullets every other night... living in poverty... (i'm not sayin that's the only reasons we have gangs in america, but i know that contributes to it) same thing with a lot of other things... again my point is many people are easily influenced by things they shouldn't be.

yup

[Killer]

the point of the story is???
just because the pastor shows no attention he becomes an atheist?
its not like he is a bad person, just is in a band that is anti christianity

the point of the story though it was left out is... i've actually watched manson say this during some interview... he claims that being in that youth group and being rejected caused him to stop believing and start doing everything the very opposite of what it stood for. like when the youth pastor would say you shouldn't listen to a certain type of music or do a certain act... he would then go out and do those exact things despite the youth group.

i don't remember what interview this was cause it was sooooo long ago.

[Kelly]

I felt as though the story would speak for itself and wouldn't have to be explained.