20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity

[Georgiaman]

take it like this.. im satan. here to fuck with you. i will click what i want and tell you that i dont beleive in your jesus bullshit one bit. your online religious talks is what is getting old. SHUT THE FUCK UP

hey man i just want to tell you that Jesus wants you and even though through your misery you feel like someone owes you compensation for the faults of other people that come against you. Just know that there is complete redemption and compensation in Jesus and he is desperate for you and he knows ur weaknesses and wants to help you with them your only duty is excepting it and u will most certainly fly. As for religion i really believe it could be the down fall of many. I believe being religious is man way to heaven. I dont want to go to heaven for the roses i want to go because of my relentless love for Christ. I hope i see you in the end man weither you want it or not i will pray for you.

[Hulud]

hey man i just want to tell you that Jesus wants you and even though through your misery you feel like someone owes you compensation for the faults of other people that come against you. Just know that there is complete redemption and compensation in Jesus and he is desperate for you and he knows ur weaknesses and wants to help you with them your only duty is excepting it and u will most certainly fly. As for religion i really believe it could be the down fall of many. I believe being religious is man way to heaven. I dont want to go to heaven for the roses i want to go because of my relentless love for Christ. I hope i see you in the end man weither you want it or not i will pray for you.

good for you

[Hulud]

[/pussy] get some

i bet will could take you, btw ive never met either one of you

[Hulud]

ur a dumb ass and no one likes u

:confused: who are you? o yea thats right no one likes you

[Romeyo07]

ok, so there's a lot of misquoting going on. I've noticed that scriptures are quoted, but they're being taken out of context and not fully given. There's a story behind the verse. That's like reading just one line out of Shakespear and forming your opinion on his story.

Christians, you've got one more in here.

[Stormhammer]

I first handedly don't see why people would make such strong arguements against it like that - and like Romeyo07 said - things were misqouted and taken out of context

for one thing - maybe southern baptists are raised in fear or something. I dunno if they still do it today. I know back in the olden day ( think 13 colonies ) when it was like God holds you over a fiery pits of hell on a silver string and he can glady cut it and let you fall ( some poem by some pastor dude - junior hs english is failing my memory hear, my apologies )

but in todays modern society its a very rare sight indeed to see anyone of any christian based ( or other as far as I'm aware of, but dont qoute me on this ) religion to be brought up in fear - I know there are the sayings to "fear God" but I never took it as the " omg he's gonna smite me dead if i dont do this" - more like just hold a respect for what I believe that He is capable of

[metalman]

for one thing - maybe southern baptists are raised in fear or something. I dunno if they still do it today. I know back in the olden day ( think 13 colonies ) when it was like God holds you over a fiery pits of hell on a silver string and he can glady cut it and let you fall ( some poem by some pastor dude - junior hs english is failing my memory hear, my apologies )

but in todays modern society its a very rare sight indeed to see anyone of any christian based ( or other as far as I'm aware of, but dont qoute me on this ) religion to be brought up in fear - I know there are the sayings to "fear God" but I never took it as the " omg he's gonna smite me dead if i dont do this" - more like just hold a respect for what I believe that He is capable of

Youre right. In the Bible its says "Fear God, give glory to Him...." The word fear usually leads us to a conclusion of being scared but the original wording used in the Bible has much more to do with RESPECT, WORSHIP, ACKOWLEGING God as our Creator.

It is also true however that many churches still employ methods of fear to entreat others to their fold. From the fabricated roman catholic teachings of hell, purgatory, limbo, the confessional etc etc to the Baptist/Pentecostal misunderstanding and subsequent focus on the "everlasting" fires of hell, and eveything in between, many (not all) churches still preach and utilize a fear approach.

The Bible/Gospel DOES contain a warning, and that is indeed PART of the picture, but not the whole of it. Gods everlasting love for all of humanity that doesnt in any way deserve any of His love should be the real focus. His willingness as Creator to work the miracle of creation within the human life, should be the focus.

[Romeyo07]

I'm not scared of God (so to speak), I fear him. It's respect, which in the original language of which the verses that speak about fearing God, that was the translation, just as a servant feared his boss, out of respect, not for punishment or anything.

I'm not Christian because I feel that if not I'm going to hell. I'm Christian because I acknowledge what Christ did for me. Since I've been a Christian, my life has been fantastic. I have NEVER gone without, I've been stress free, I've felt so great, knowing that I'm taken care of. When I'm in need, He has always come through. I'm living proof of what God can do with someone. I've got way too many stories of when God has proven himself to me to not believe he exists and loves me.

I'll be more than happy to have this conversation one on one with any of you.

I think there are too many people out there that think they "know" how church and christianity works, but really have a skewed view of it (this includes Christians). Again, I'll be more than happy to enlighten you. It's really not as hard as people think it is. Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

[4dmin]

I think there are too many people out there that think they "know" how church and christianity works, but really have a skewed view of it (this includes Christians). Again, I'll be more than happy to enlighten you. It's really not as hard as people think it is. Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

what? hold on you don't have to change who you are to be christian? really....? SINS are instinct how are you not changing yourself?

[Jaimecbr900]

SINS are instinct how are you not changing yourself?

Hold on broham......a "sin" is a choice behavior by itself. We are all born "sinners" but TO "sin" is a learned behavior and not a programmed one.

[metalman]

Best part about it is that you don't have to try to change who you are....

Thats correct. The Creator does the changing for you, its by His power, not our own, that a person becomes 'new'. He does the 'work', all we have to do is allow it.

[Romeyo07]

which is why its not as hard as people think it is. Not once did I personally want to stop doing what I was doing, God changed the desire in me. I don't want it anymore, totally out of the blue. What's even better is that its only the beginning of a great thing...you'd be shocked to hear some of the things I've seen and been through.

[Romeyo07]

what? hold on you don't have to change who you are to be christian? really....? SINS are instinct how are you not changing yourself?

No, I wont change a thing nor will I try. God will change me. He knows we're going to sin, which is why he sent Jesus to die for us. His blood covers our sins, always....every single time. He changes us so that we try to sin less. This is so that His sacrifice doesn't become in vain.

I thought I needed all of the things I was into (alcoholism, drugs, etc.). I thought that was life and I was nothing without my vices. I now have zero desire for the things I once longed for. I loved getting hammered when I had a bad day, or light a spliff at lunchtime to relax. It wasn't love, it was a blindfold.

From your end, you see it as things you can't live without...from His end He sees it as things that hold you back from truely living.

[Hulud]

Christians, you've got one more in here.

reinforcements have arrived

[Romeyo07]

reinforcements have arrived

I left the sniper rifle at home, so you're safe.

[Hulud]

I left the sniper rifle at home, so you're safe.

ummm ok....

[Romeyo07]

you said "reinforcements are in" so I was thinking of the military....



nevermind.

[Hulud]

you said "reinforcements are in" so I was thinking of the military....



nevermind.

ah ok gotcha i wasnt sure if you were mad lol

[4dmin]

No, I wont change a thing nor will I try. God will change me. He knows we're going to sin, which is why he sent Jesus to die for us. His blood covers our sins, always....every single time. He changes us so that we try to sin less. This is so that His sacrifice doesn't become in vain.

I thought I needed all of the things I was into (alcoholism, drugs, etc.). I thought that was life and I was nothing without my vices. I now have zero desire for the things I once longed for. I loved getting hammered when I had a bad day, or light a spliff at lunchtime to relax. It wasn't love, it was a blindfold.

From your end, you see it as things you can't live without...from His end He sees it as things that hold you back from truely living.

so what your saying is you can't think for yourself? sucks for you.

[Romeyo07]

So what you're saying is that you're always right? Ignorance sure must be bliss.

You're missing the point. I still make my own decisions, the difference is that I don't desire the things that were really hindering me (i.e. the drugs and alcohol), hence deciding to stop. I made that decision, not God.

[Hulud]

So what you're saying is that you're always right? Ignorance sure must be bliss.

look in a mirror buddy

[Romeyo07]

I don't see how that relates to me. Explain please....

[Hulud]

I don't see how that relates to me. Explain please....

how do you not?
your claiming hes not always right, yet you claim christianity is..

calling the kettle black eh?

[Romeyo07]

no...I mean him as in all of his actions in his daily life, not his answers to my questions.

[Hulud]

no...I mean him as in all of his actions in his daily life, not his answers to my questions.

do you know paul personally?
didnt think so
then how can you say thats how he thinks?
all you can base it on is the responses in this forum

[Romeyo07]

from his reply he said "so what you're saying is that you can't think for yourself", telling me that (a) someone's making my decisions (b) he doesn't need anyone to sway his daily actions because...why, because he thinks that the things he's doing are right (I'm not saying he's wrong, and I don't know him, just making a statement based on what he said).

I'm not talking about him personally, he's probably a great guy, who knows.

[BABY J]

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070905/...tain_embryo_dc

[SL65AMG]

talk about a resurrection from the dead....

[cactusEG]

shit im not really i bible thumper. i havnt been to church in years for stupid reasons

[Deke]

I can't believe I just read this whole thing...I hate you Baby J.

[WHT_EP3]

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i think everyone should believe what they want and keep those 20 reason in the trash
and that guy can shove the picket sign up his @$s

[xlilvi3tx]

damn this thing is pretty old. but yeh i hate all religions i think its stupid. god n all that other bullshiet is made by man to get people to do or not do something. that my opinion.

[Capt._Ron]

I read that and all I can think is... if your a pussy then Christianity is the wrong religion for you. ha ha. This guy basically took the basic problems of humanity found a way to blame them on Christianity. He doesn't really say anything that everyone doesn't already know. Lets face the facts Christians, atheist, Muslims, Buddhist, whoever. We are all human and we are all imperfect. We all have fear, we are all egotistical, we all tend to do the wrong things. The author seems to be in denial that he is essentially a scared, weak, insignificant individual with a tendency toward selfish desires. This is just a pitiful attempt to justify doing whatever you want.

[Crazy Asian]

BLAHAHAHAH it like he contridicted himself. All religions are like that. Moron it just not chiristanity that does that.