Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
I like the fact that you said faith is not defeated by science...not many evolutionists see that...ie Richard Dawkins. Many though would like to use the theory to destroy religion, faith, God in general. Would it not seem that way to you?
No. Have you ever read the book "The Greatest Show on Earth" or "The God Delusion". I would highly recommend reading those.


Quote Originally Posted by geoff
So all creationists have a limited understanding? Even those with p.h.d.'s in biology and physics? The question can be flipped my friend. Why do atheists believe this same evidence can be used to disprove God? This same evidence is used by creationists to point towards intelligent design.
I would be incredibly surprised if you found me a biologist or a physicist that said "god spoke everything into creation as it is today"

No one has ever tried to disprove god here. We have simply said it is highly unlikely that he exists. Since he doesnt want to play by the rules of science, we simply cant assume he is real. If one day he decided to play by the rules and say "here I am!", then that would be a totally different story.


Quote Originally Posted by geoff
No. Not simply by my faith but also by scientific evidence/lack of explanation. For example, bacteriam flagellum. Complex organism that could not have evolved over time gradually through natural selection. Please explain how this organism exists then, or did it never evolve?
Picture if you will a 5-20 billion year old earth. On one side of it, lets say where georgia sits, lets say we have this environment X. we hit it with lightning and we get amino acids. Lets travel way on the other side, where Moscow sits. There happens to be a little higher concentration of oxygen gas in this spot so we get a little higher concentration of amino acid A. Lets say in every spot we hit with lightning we get a different concentration of different amino acids (If we stop right here, we have just given an example of ABIOGENESIS). pretty soon these acids blend together develop into DNA. lets say that due to the concentration of acids in ga, we develop single cell X, in moscow, due to the different concentration acids, we develop single cell Y. Y is a simple bacterium. Over the years and years and years the concentration in the bad gasses lessens, nitrogen and oxygen become more prevalent. At just the right time, maybe it took a couple billion years, but the concentration of gasses became just right for more complex life. energy sources change, environment changes, now we get multicellular organisms, and sexual reproduction. and remember, there are all these different organisms all over the earth because of small environment changes, evolving at their own pace due to their own environments and energy sources. mix all that together and life begins to expand exponentially. This is the reason behind the "cambrian explosion". Theres a mathematical equation that also explains this, I gotta find it though...

Quote Originally Posted by geoff
Are you open to the possibility that there is an Ultimate Creator who put forth the motions to the universe and life as we know it? I'm not asking whether you are open to the possibility that He guides evolution or that He merely spoke everything into existence. I just wanna know, is it at all possible that He exists?
Unlikey, because as we both agreed, scientifically, the creator is not currently playing by the laws of physics and the scientific method. Scientifically, we cannot assume he exists. WHEN THE DAY COMES that the creator, whatever it is, decides to play by the rules, then we can examine it.

Quote Originally Posted by geoff
Also, you never answered my question earlier about every single living thing having a purpose in life. What are your thoughts on this statement..."everything in nature has a purpose, purpose that shows intent, intent that shows intelligence." ?
I know everything has a purpose as well. Its just a different intent than yours

Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
Evolution is the theory that species evolved ,survival of the fittest, natural selection, but it doesnt answer where the original species comes from. It largely ignores that.
No, it completely ignores that. Evolutions job isnt to explain where everything comes from. That is called Abiogenesis. If i told you about internal combustion theory, air/fuel comes in, gets compressed, explodes, exits chamber, turns crankshaft. I totally left out who invented internal combustion, didnt i?

Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd
SO on one hand you use evolution to explain why god doesnt exist, but on the other hand you argue that evolution doesnt try to explain where anyone comes from. Its double talk, and its funny.
Ive never once used evolution to explain that he doesnt exist. Ive explained how evolution works, and how its highly unlikely that a creator exists. Can you point me to an instance where I did this and I'd be happy to further explain it.