This well NEVER be concluded, posting in this thread is a bit like jacking off and never being able to bust a load.
This well NEVER be concluded, posting in this thread is a bit like jacking off and never being able to bust a load.
im not trying to conclude anything with this thread. i just wanted to see if any of you non believers have ever found yourselves turning to God for anything
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I just now thought about this, but it's kind of a fucked up question. If someone were to turn to God for anything, then they wouldn't be non-believers. So this entire thread is like most Hollywood weddings.....null and void. Later, QD.Originally Posted by geoff
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Typical - LOL> The mind of a bible-thumper at work. "How many non-believers believe?" LOL. Wow.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
not necessarily true, sometimes when the s#!t hits the fan people will find themselves turning to something they may not even believe in, just because they are so desperate. if you have never had to experience that before then your truly blessed
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No - if you haven't had to experience that you are LUCKY. There is no "blessing" in it - and if so it's just dumb luck.
Also - w/ 3 Afghanistans, 2 Baghdads, Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Desert Fox, Bahrain, D'jbouti, counter-drug missions, a tough life, a piece of shit dad,a kid out of wedlock, a few sore throats and a few paper cuts under my belt I'd say that I've had the shit hit the fan - and you know what, I reached INSIDE and got MYSELF out of it. I don't need to beg "God" for invisible help that never arrives. Kthanxbye.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
And along with Baby J, as I stated before, I have 2 years of literal living on the streets of Atlanta under my belt.
Thank QD that I was able to get out of that mess. I don't consider myself blessed or lucky. I consider myself a person who realized what he was doing wrong and corrected it and now have a great life. Later, QD.
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^^ You're scaring me - you're like "making sense" and shit. Stop it. That doesn't belong in the religion section. Keep making sense and I wil ban you from this section of the board.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I haven't been involved in a religion/Theology thread in a long time. Should've probably jumped in on this one a while back. I figured that even if I typed my typical wall of text that the IA heathens wouldn't ever understand that tangible is NO WHERE in the definition of FAITH.
Everyone always wants something "tangible" BEFORE they believe, but fail to see that much like many of the beliefs that "non-believers" ardently stick to as "fact" are no more tangible than the religious FAITH itself they so quickly dismiss. Irony so thick you can cut it with a knife.
You guys want to talk about so-called "bible thumpers" being pushy? What about pants down to your knees? What about sideways hats? What about BET? What about giant billboards on the highway? What about Politicians? Each and every one of those are "pushing" something in people's faces each and every day that they don't necessarily agree with or believe, yet that's not as irritating to some as someone that says, "Hey, read the bible and see what you think.."?????? Is it because you guys care more about fashion, Television, and Politics???? Doubt it. It's because some of you want to ignore certain things and put importance on others. It's ok. It's called priorities. Some have politics as priorities, others religion. Why is one better than the other? How so?
Anyway, I've said enough for now. Yall know that I've gotten into some doozy debates on IA with some mighty intelligent people about this subject. Everyone has to make up their own mind as to what they believe and what they don't. If you need tangible to believe, then that's what YOU need. If you don't, then you don't. Just remember that "proof" is in the eye of the beholder.
How many times have "Scientists" who fell backward last year telling us that the world was flat only to come back this year to tell us something different?????? But some how, some way, THAT "Science" holds more water with some of you today than a book that hasn't changed much in 2000 years?......what about tommorow when they change their mind????? How many times have so called History books been updated and changed? Hell, how many of you grew up "learning" that Pluto was a planet.....how about now? Those are the "Scientists" that you want to hang your hat on???? Again, YOUR choice.
Just for clarification, since there seems to be a need for that quite often in these debates: I am NOT trying to convert anyone to anything. I am NOT saying you are wrong and I'm right. I am saying that some of you guys are so critical of "religion" and lose sight of the fact that you embrace other things on "faith" alone. Why would it be hard for you to see then that some people believe what they believe based on FAITH too?
That's my point.
(1st off J the bible is not unchanged for the last 2k plus years sir. That's false.)
The bible is written by MEN as well. Just as a science book Jaime. "Streets of gold". Listen to that for a second. A "God" capable of creating all the we see and know would give 2 SHITS about "gold". But you know who DOES cherish gold? WE (men) do. What a coinkydink. A "God" capable of creating the sun - the moon - wind - black holes - why would the "best" he have to offer us be streets of "gold?" LOL. That's laughable. I refuse to believe in the tall tales of religious texts, do I find them inspirational to a person that would be enduring something?? Sure. But either way most times it is outdated and non-applicable. Why would a God capable of creating the Rockies care to talk to "you"? Why would he care that YOU praise him? Furthermore... homosapiens have been around for 125,000 years or so. Religions we have are pretty much traceable to within the last 5-6 thousand years. Which God was in charge during the interim?
If you tell someone something enough times and reinforce it strong enough...they'll believe you. (this is how parents teach offspring). (Billy, don't run in the house.). Make examples of how it's true to back up your claims and it's even more powerful. (See Billy, you ran in the house and skinned your knee - see how that hurts? I told you so.) Then, throw in fear in the mix...scare everyone into thinking that they'll be set on fire for ETERNITY if they don't live a certain way and eventually they'll start to be a little worried. (Billy - if you run in the house again I'm gonna give you a spanking). It's only natural, that's how humans work unfortunately. The church wanted to keep the world in the dark ages and called science, logic, and understanding "EVIL" and the "Devil's work"...the Illuminati *wanted* us to expand our knowledge and understanding so we could achieve greater things. That's just an example of how church has held us back. What could the world be, what could WE as humans achieve if we could set aside religious and cultural differences? I'm sure we could do WAY better than we ever imagined possible. Can you imagine if Intelligent people starting going door to door explaining why they feel there is no god, that would create a shit storm, yet Christians do it all the time. I'm not saying intelligent people don't believe in God, I'm just saying if people who knew how to articulate themselves did this it would be "interesting."
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Oh yeah ... and back to the creationist topic.
If you ask a believer "is the universe built for life?" his answer will be a resounding YES. "It's too perfect here to be an accident." I find that interesting and pretty rediculous.
Well I say that life as we know it exists because of the universe it evolved in. If the universe were slightly different, life as we would know it would be slightly different. If the universe were radically different, life as we would know it would be radically different.
Creationists like to tell us that God put the Earth the perfect distance from the sun. Any closer and we would fry, and further and we would freeze. Well I would remind those people that, were we closer the sun, we would be more tolerant of the heat... further and we would be more tolerant of the cold.
The universe has been here much longer than humanity... any1 who has passed 4th grade will agree. It seems foolish to logically reason that the needs of the latter was responsible for the specifications of the former. But who asked me - I'm just your local neighborhood Baby J. To each his own.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I did say that it was BASICALLY un-changed.
You guys want to take every single word of the Bible in it's CURRENT literal sense. Why? Did they know that Platinum was more valuable than Gold back then? Does a "serpent" mean a Boa Constrictor or a Rattler in the Bible? Does it matter? My point is that you are twisting the words in the Bible to fit your ideas just as much as any Bible thumper does. No different. That is exactly what I was saying in my clarification post. You guys bash people for believing what they can't see, yet YOU believe in many things that you can't see either.....so what is the difference?
You all want to glob every church, person, and gathering place in the same context. Ok, so does that mean that if there is Rice parked next to your car that YOUR car is rice? Why not? According to you guys, if you believe in God then you're a "bible thumper" and money stealing thief being bamboozled by the fear monger priest who stands at the altar acting like God himself......right?You guys think that EVERY organized religion is nothing more than mindless fools that follow aimlessly and never question anything. You guys think that EVERY church is a waste of time because you can pray and be a good person all by yourself w/o having to go to one. Right? What happens when you have doubts? What happens when you have a question? WHO do you ask? A Scientist who says that the Earth is flat, or someone who has similar core beliefs as you?
I dont think Ive ever read a better post in the religion section...I did say that it was BASICALLY un-changed.
You guys want to take every single word of the Bible in it's CURRENT literal sense. Why? Did they know that Platinum was more valuable than Gold back then? Does a "serpent" mean a Boa Constrictor or a Rattler in the Bible? Does it matter? My point is that you are twisting the words in the Bible to fit your ideas just as much as any Bible thumper does. No different. That is exactly what I was saying in my clarification post. You guys bash people for believing what they can't see, yet YOU believe in many things that you can't see either.....so what is the difference?
You all want to glob every church, person, and gathering place in the same context. Ok, so does that mean that if there is Rice parked next to your car that YOUR car is rice? Why not? According to you guys, if you believe in God then you're a "bible thumper" and money stealing thief being bamboozled by the fear monger priest who stands at the altar acting like God himself......right?
I always stay out of this section because it is always full of so much hate but you sir have hit the nail right on the head, I would give you reps but it would be a waste...
I find some1 who has went through it - some1 I can see and taste and touch. I do not resport to an invisible made-up entity.
You all want to glob every church, person, and gathering place in the same context. Ok, so does that mean that if there is Rice parked next to your car that YOUR car is rice? Why not? According to you guys, if you believe in God then you're a "bible thumper" and money stealing thief being bamboozled by the fear monger priest who stands at the altar acting like God himself......right?
I pose this question for you. Name 1 thing that God has PERSONALLY done for you in the last year. Your answer should be something that without the shadow of a doubt He did. Take your time with this one and choose your answer wisely.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
See, this is what I'm talking about right here.
How come you want to question ONE idea of why we are here, yet don't use logic to see that it is ONE very possible explaination of why we in fact are here?
So in other words, you bash Creationists because they have a cooky far out idea that we are on Earth for a reason. Right? Then why don't you show me how many people are living and thriving in Mercury? Mars? Pluto? Jupiter? Saturn? We have satellites and telescopes that see these planets every day, 365 days a year, FOR DECADES now......not a single damn ameba has been found on any of those planets.....how come? If the Universe "adapts", how come it hasn't in the last 15,000 yrs? Is it on a break? Resting? Then WHY is their idea that there is a purpose to us being and thriving in the only planet even remotely equiped for human life in this side of the galaxy so crrrraaaaazzzyy????
Again, you guys are being just as hypocritical as you claim bible thumpers to be. You neglect to "see" what you don't want to "see".
Don't mistake me for bashing you or your beliefs. You believe what you want. I'm just saying that it's ironic that you guys want to use certain logics to substantiate your core beliefs which ironically are very similar to logics used by the opposing side. What makes your's right and their's wrong?
Truly a bible written by men who were inspired DIRECTLY by God would have gotten it right - right? I mean this IS THE document that you wage your entire existence on... was written, compiled (w/ certain "acceptable" omissions of course - LOL), edited (lol) by men OF GOD. Why should I not be able to take it literally?? Why are books in the bible written by authors who had other books by the same author NOT included? OH - sometimes the author was inspired by God and sometimes he wasn't. I find that odd since this is INDEED the "instructions" that were left here for believers to live eat and die by?I did say that it was BASICALLY un-changed.
You guys want to take every single word of the Bible in it's CURRENT literal sense. Why? Did they know that Platinum was more valuable than Gold back then? Does a "serpent" mean a Boa Constrictor or a Rattler in the Bible? Does it matter? My point is that you are twisting the words in the Bible to fit your ideas just as much as any Bible thumper does. No different. That is exactly what I was saying in my clarification post. You guys bash people for believing what they can't see, yet YOU believe in many things that you can't see either.....so what is the difference?
Are you suggesting that God should provide streets of platinum in heaven in the new revisions of the bible so it holds the same level of importance in the future?
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
actually, no one does any twisting when referring to the bible because there is no need. It contradicts itself in many ways - and, although it has some good to it the truth is that it's still a fictional book created by men who saw potential in it, and possible power to control the human mind
also, what is the difference between believing in a magical being, who sees everything, hears everything, is all powerful and all knowing, and ppl who go to college to create their careers? To make a living off discovering new planets, life, ppl who study the ecosystem, ppl that observe micro organisms, ppl with an open mind who are capable of thinking for a higher purpose -- not just relying on a book to guide them through life and to waste their time praying to someone who'll never respond to your prayers...
is well, a BIG difference...
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"get with the Gs, or get on yo knees"
Name me one single person that YOU know that has DIED and can come back to tell you where you'll go when you do.
The problem with your question is that it is a loaded one.I pose this question for you. Name 1 thing that God has PERSONALLY done for you in the last year. Your answer should be something that without the shadow of a doubt He did. Take your time with this one and choose your answer wisely.
It does not take into consideration that I have FAITH in something that YOU don't. So I can answer it by saying that God has placed certain tests in front of me this past year to help me see certain things more clearly, i.e. priorities.....but you would likely say that is not tangible enough for you. Again, it's a loaded question because no matter what response I give you one can always come back to dispute it by saying it's NOT tangible enough for YOU. Kinda like sticking your tongue out in the playground when someone did something to you that you didn't like.....Doesn't really do much, right?
No matter what I say IF you are looking for something tactile then religion is not the question. Faith is. Until you can pull out the dictionary and see for yourself that NO WHERE in the definition of the word does the word "tangible" appear.....we are comparing apples to battleships. It aint gonna work. EVER. You have to understand and respect that some people, like you, need something to touch before they believe something. Others don't.
So if a guy gets hit by a car, is pronounced dead, but somehow starts breathing again and says he saw pearly gates and streets of Gold......would that be enough for you? Why not? See how it would never end no matter what? Guess why?
No, but you are when you argued that if God was such a supreme being why was his streets made of Gold only.....
Just cause we (Humans) haven't found other planets "with what we call life", doesn't mean that it isn't out there. Now what happens in the future if we find that other race or species and they know only of science evolution and not of religion? Are we (as a world that mostly a religion-based society) going to force our views and beliefs on them (as we did with indians and so on)? What if this world doesn't know of this "higher power" - would that mean that God doesn't exist or would the religious leaders just say that these people are in denial?
Where you fail is that you haven't looked at science as ever-evolving. 100 years ago no one could tell you about brain patterns, 50 years ago no one could map DNA, 20 years ago 80G's in a pocket sized device was impossible. Science is catching up - your "flat Earth/round Earth" post proves this. Science has the edge b/c we haven't reached the absolute - we question it and bang on it and question and bang on it - much like a blacksmith making a sword. It's constantly being sharpened... whereas religion has arrived ALREADY (which is funny considering how young we are as a people) at the ABSOLUTE. THAT IS A SLICK ASS SLOPE TO BE ON.
Who knows in 10 years science may be able to provide solid proof there is no God... or the other way around... wouldn't that be cool? What would you do at that time J?? I think it'd be kool either way... but that'd fuck up the entire "story" for religion wouldn't it... if an explorer (satellite) "finds hell?" - LOL. EVERY person born from that moment on would believe - don't just laugh at that thought - THINK ABOUT IT. Then the entire "you're just being tested so you make the right choice to follow God" thing goes out of the window huh? But I have the feeling that science will find the opposite - that's just my honest opinion.
Either way - I will still continue to reach inside myself and accept my failures as "I didnt try hard enough or wasn't smart enough" rather than think "it wasn't in God's will." I will continue to treat people right the 1st time around rather than think "God will forgive me later." I will continue to have business of my own so I don't have time to go door to door minding every1 else's w/ a few well placed pamphlets. I will continue to enjoy THIS life as the best life that I will likely ever have which forces me to be kind, generous and nice TODAY. A weekend with my daughter - a cruise through the twisties in Blue Ridge - rocking on my front porch - playing my piano at 3:30 in the morning... a few beers w/ a few people that I call friends - this IS my heaven. I don't feel the need to ask the invisible for more.
To each his own - and as usual it's always a pleasure chatting with you Jaime.RESPECT!
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
So if a guy gets hit by a car, is pronounced dead, but somehow starts breathing again and says he saw pearly gates and streets of Gold......would that be enough for you? Why not? See how it would never end no matter what? Guess why?
This happens everyday! nothing out of the ordinary (unless of course, it's someone you know - then, it'll seem like a miracle, but in reality it's far from it)
i posted a thing about what happens when someone passes away and how they see a white tunnel or something very similar is just the brain shutting down - kinda like an old television. The heat returns back to the center thus giving it the tunnel illusion...
something way more spectacular has to occur for ppl to believe there is a place that the dead go... and that would require like I said, some spectacular.
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"get with the Gs, or get on yo knees"
Really? Show me where Paul, Abraham, and John made millions off it.....
You never answered my scenario. Which "serpent" are they referring to in the Bible when it literally tells you that "you should take up serpents"? Is it a Boa or a Rattler? Both are "serpents", right? Is it too much for your mind to phathom that maybe they didn't mean a literal serpent? Could anything else be a "serpent"? Think about it and let me know.
It contradicts when your mindset is convinced that it makes no sense to YOU. I can tell you that Baby J's car is Red. YOU can look it and say it's more Pink. Now, does that difference change the FACT that the car is PAINTED at all???? Well, have you ever thought about the fact that some of the things that the Bible addresses are more than just face value? Their days weren't 24 hours long and their years weren't 365 and 1/2 days then. Does that mean that when they say "a day" or "a year" that it CHANGES what may have happened just because it doesn't match exactly to what we know today to be a "day" or a "year"????
Once again, young Padowan, I truly believe that some of my prayers have indeed been answered. You clearly do not. That is what makes me a believer and you not. Has it ever occurred to you that God did answer your prayer(s) and maybe A: you weren't listening, or B: you didn't like the answer????also, what is the difference between believing in a magical being, who sees everything, hears everything, is all powerful and all knowing, and ppl who go to college to create their careers? To make a living off discovering new planets, life, ppl who study the ecosystem, ppl that observe micro organisms, ppl with an open mind who are capable of thinking for a higher purpose -- not just relying on a book to guide them through life and to waste their time praying to someone who'll never respond to your prayers...
is well, a BIG difference...
I have just given you "answers" to your questions, right? YOU may not like or agree with my "answers", right? Does that mean that I didn't "answer" them????? Again, apply that to your question to me. Since you are looking for an answer with your head in the sand doesn't mean that the answer wasn't given to you above the sand. This is an analogy, not a diss.
amazing post, babyj
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"get with the Gs, or get on yo knees"
He must be a Christian. LOL. We hear of this all the time... near death experiences where people see Pearly Gates.So if a guy gets hit by a car, is pronounced dead, but somehow starts breathing again and says he saw pearly gates and streets of Gold......would that be enough for you? Why not? See how it would never end no matter what? Guess why?
But I bet near death experiences for Muslims doesn't see the same thing. I bet they see naked virgins.
Why is this? B/c it has been burned into their brains their whole lives. Think about that for a minute.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Doesn't mean that it is either, right? How come w/o any evidence at all of there being anything else out there do you still hold that to be a possibility, yet Christians are crazy for doing so with their belief system? Again, you guys can't have it both ways.
This is just a fancy way of saying that Science is more often WRONG.Where you fail is that you haven't looked at science as ever-evolving.
No, Science has the EXCUSE that it will NEVER reach an absolute because it's "ever evolving".....which we know to be a fancy word phrase for WRONG.......100 years ago no one could tell you about brain patterns, 50 years ago no one could map DNA, 20 years ago 80G's in a pocket sized device was impossible. Science is catching up - your "flat Earth/round Earth" post proves this. Science has the edge b/c we haven't reached the absolute - we question it and bang on it and question and bang on it - much like a blacksmith making a sword. It's constantly being sharpened... whereas religion has arrived ALREADY (which is funny considering how young we are as a people) at the ABSOLUTE. THAT IS A SLICK ASS SLOPE TO BE ON.
To each his own - and as usual it's always a pleasure chatting with you Jaime.
I have to go get dog food now. Be back later folks. Carry on.
^^ Remember that science is wrong when you wake up to your alarm clock, get dressed, brush your teeth (after Listerine and floss). Get in your car, drive into work w/ all the flashers, brakes and gadgets working, make it to work on time (bc ur speedo lets you know how fast you're going and all) - put in a day of work at your computer, get paid electronically w/out having to "do" anything specific to ensure that happens - swipe your card in the gas pump at BP - order pizza online, get home - and post another reply to this "thread". LOL. Science --- yeah, definitely "wrong". Praise Jesus for allowing all of that.
Say what you will about science - everyday they get better - get closer - get more accurate. 2+2 is 4 everywhere. But "God" means something different in every household in the world - LOL. Yeah... my bet is on science.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Jaime, sadly I must depart - for I have a few things to take care of on this wonderful, and glorious day...
let me just say that you do make sense on a lot of things, but on others, you're simply just putting your faith on & hoping that you are right.
You're a lot more logical than geoff and you should probably teach him a thing or two so he doesn't end up looking like a kid in 4th grade trying to explain to his science teacher about the difference between a meteorite and an asteroid.
and with that... I say...
Good day to all, and to all a good night (except the terrorists who are committing suicide in the name of "their" god) :wink... wink....
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"get with the Gs, or get on yo knees"
jaime- kudos to you bro.
to me science is what we use to try and fathom God. i believe in science, there are just too many holes. and please tell me specific places where the bible contradicts itself, now MEN do contradict themselves and use different interpretations of the bible to preach contradicting messages. the bible itself does NOT contradict itself. and to your statement about what God men believed hundreds of thousands of years ago, my friend mankind has been ever learning and didnt always have a written system or whatnot. they still believed the same God back then, just couldnt write about it. and this Christian God has been around and written about since the first known civilized nation arose. and im curious to how the bible was written by men to try and control? they didnt use words they used death. if they didnt like what you were doing you were put to death. and here is a serious question, if in 10 years science actually came to a definite conclusion(lol) and proved that God is real and created everything, would that even matter to you?
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Here is my question to the "believers":
Now, in this discussion, we have identified that there are two types of people: Believers and Non-Believers. I think it's fairly safe to assume what separates the two: Faith. Where I really start to get fuzzy, is once you make that GIANT leap of faith, how do you end up where you are? You have now decided to believe in something that there cannot ever be tangible evidence of (by the definition of faith), yet each of you "believers" chooses a particular belief.
Most of the "believers" here have faith in God, but the real question is which God? And why that god? Why only one God? Did the New Testament sound better than the old? Did they both sound better then the Quran? Did all of that sound better than Buddhism in general?
To broaden the question, if you are going to choose to have faith in something, what decides what you choose to have faith in? Is it your upbringing? Your environment? What makes you decide that one religion got it right and all the others wrong? Have any of you(and I bet there are at least a couple) ever gone into the trouble of looking into all of the other options before deciding?
When I last checked, if you got it wrong, you are screwed? Most God's aren't very forgiving if you pick their competition? Think for a moment, would you be saying/thinking/feeling/believing the same thing you are right now, if you didn't speak English and were born in the middle of China?
^^ Hmm... sounds a lot like:
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...0&postcount=88
We must be brothers - who's your mother? LOL
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Lol...the funny thing is, I hadn't read that post, or even that topic. Hmm...
thats actually a very good question you pose. for my i personally searched a couple other religions, for me muslim didnt make sense because how could a loving God command His people to kill themselves and other innocents to get into heaven? now i know your gonna say the christian God has done the same thing, except, for us the punishment of sin was always death, we as people couldnt live up to His laws so God postponed our punishment to the afterlife. now i searched many polytheist religions, to me tho, if these were all powerful beings and had the ability to create some type of life than why would there need to be more than one? in that aspect then these gods would not really be gods because they dont have the power to create something without help. and then to judaism, its christianity but with further revelation of God. the reason jews dont accept Jesus is because He didnt restore the kingdom in their time frame.
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See, I told you there would be some people who had.
Ooops, maybe not. There isn't any directive for Muslims to kill themselves. There isn't any directive to kill innocents either. Maybe you need to learn how to research a bit better. If you could, maybe you could quote the Quran to back your "facts" up here.
Nope, but out of curiosity, which christian god might you be refering to? The roman catholic one, the protastant one, the mormon one? or possibly his son? I digress..
Kinda like the trinity? You know, why would God need a son, or a spirit? Isn't he god and couldn't he just "die for your sins" and stuff without having multiple personalities?
Um, no sir. I grew up in a Jewish environment and with a Jewish education. You need to do a lot more research on the subject before you start to look really silly. And besides, if you wanted to say it a little better, the Christianity is basically Judaism with the addition of Jesus and the whole other list of changes that came with that.
the trinity- here alot of people get confused, i am from an apostolic church where we believe the bible is the inspired word of God, and that there is only one God. the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not seperate but three manifestations of God. we have Jehova the Father of creation and all life, as you jews believe aswell, we have the Son Jesus, who is the fleshly incarnation of God who came to be the sacrifice for our sins, and the Spirit who is God living inside of us. even in your torah there are prophecies of the Messiah, God in flesh who would save us, and prophecy of God saying in those days He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh. some churches believe in trinity some dont. that is where religion is wrong. i dont believe religion i believe in relationship. and a true relationship with God will lead you to these truths. and as far as the jewish christian thing goes i typed it wrong. christianity is a further extension of judaism.
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as far as the muslim thing goes, it may not be all of them but thats what you see, in general and the main populous of that religion if your not muslim then your an infadel and an enemy. in christianity we are taught to love even our enemies for what does it profit if you love only those that love you
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Nope, absolutely no mention of any of this rubbish in the Torah. The messiah in the old Testament directly translated, means "the anointed one" and there is absolutely no reference in the slightest that is is "god in flesh" or that he does any saving. Again, I highly recommend that you do much better research or you are not ever going to be taken seriously. If you do not have facts to back up your claims, and are this wrong about your assumptions, you are only likely to do the opposite of your intentions, because not many people like following the uneducated.
im sorry but i was under the impression that the jewish torah and the old testament christian bible are identicle no? your Messiah is a saviour my friend He was to be the one to restore israel
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IA Domestic Alliance
Again, you spread your "assumptions" based on clear missunderstanding. Are basing all of your knowledge of an entire religion based on watching fox? First of all, the word "infidel" is an English word used by Christians. It originally referred to anyone who didn't believe in Jesus. Muslims don't have enemies, or at least, the religion doesn't. Your own logic here works against you. You tell us that we shouldn't think or remember the Church's role in the crusades or religion's role in Hitler's greater plan because you say that "it's man's fault, not god's. The religion is pure" and then on the same hand, write off one of the world's most popular religions because of the actions of a very small minority from a very remote pocket of the world?
Geoff, you seriously need to do a lot more research and learning before you try and "spread" the word, because you aren't doing what you are trying to represent any justice.
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