Question for non believers of christianity

[geoff]

im just curious as to why some of you stick so hard to your belief that there is no God. and to those with other religions as to why its so hard to believe in the Fundamental views and beliefs of christianity? please discuss

[geoff]

i will ofcourse respond to all questions and comments with scriptural proof, scientific proof, and general common sense. God bless you all and i appreciate and other believers out there that want to just chime in and give some help. lets get out there and start doing what Jesus our Lord told us to do and go preach the gospel to every creature

[quickdodge®]

Lolol.

im just curious as to why some of you stick so hard to your belief that there is no God. and to those with other religions as to why its so hard to believe in the Fundamental views and beliefs of christianity? please discuss

First off, who are you to question other people and their stances/beliefs?

Why do YOU stick so hard to YOUR belief that there is a God? Just because you THINK you're right, doesn't make it so? How do you know the "Fundamental views" that you believe in are the ones that everyone should believe in? Who are you to say that what you believe in is what everyone should believe in that it is the correct form?

i will ofcourse respond to all questions and comments with scriptural proof, scientific proof, and general common sense.

Lolol. Scriptural proof? I can take an old book and twist it's meaning around to make it seem real. Scientific proof? Of God? The only way to make everyone a believer is to provide TANGIBLE proof of His existence. That will never happen in our lifetime. Common sense? The only common sense that exists within religion are the morals that it teaches. The Ten Commandments are a great set of values to live by (and I do). But to talk about the stories in the Bible and use them as common sense to prove God exists? Lolol.

I believe in God, but have lots of questions about things. People believing something doesn't make it true. R. Kelly believed he could fly. But that didn't make it true as he has never done so.

Here's one big problem that people that "spread the Gospel" don't seem to get.....no one likes a nag. Leave people be. If they want to learn about the Bibile, Jesus, God or whatever/whomever, then they will come to you or their local church. No one likes bible-thumpers. If they wanted to bothered by people like that, they'd come to you. Later, QD.

[Me86Rob]

i will ofcourse respond to all questions and comments with scriptural proof, scientific proof, and general common sense. God bless you all and i appreciate and other believers out there that want to just chime in and give some help. lets get out there and start doing what Jesus our Lord told us to do and go preach the gospel to every creature

thats interesting. cause i can show you scientific proof that jesus christ never was...and that christianity is going to be a dead religin on about 140 years or so. soo.....

[BABY J]

LOL. Wow.

[SPOOLIN]

yeah i cant stand parking lot cruisers and shit that try to spread their beliefs annoyingly, i would never try to go around forcing people to hear what i believe. I dont care about the "if i had a pail of water and someone was one fire would you not put it out" idea.

Everyone ive ever seen try to do that shit has just had bottles thrown at them.

I just respect what others believe so i dont ask, and i don't tell. If im eating with someone and they want to pray to Buddha before eating, do it, praise Buddha lol whatever.

[BABY J]

^^^^ AMEN SIR!!!! VERY annoying. It's like walking through the mall and passing the mobile phone kiosks and they say "Hey!! What kinda phone you got??? I can save you some money."

Really? LOOK. I know where you are located - you're right in the middle of the fucking aisle... if I REALLY wanted to discuss phones I WILL COME TO YOU!!!!! Until then, leave me the fuck alone.

It's kool that some of you need to believe in the invisible in order to get strength, direction, motivation etc. But there are some people such as Baby J that can self-motivate and that has arrived to a point where THIS LIFE THAT I CAN SEE AND TOUCH AND TASTE AND FEEL is enuff for me... I don't need to ask the invisible for more than that.

I'll leave you with this... it's JUST THIS SIMPLE --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmAzyt5ziMQ

Thank you for playing.

[Total_Blender]

I think the problem with Christianity and the Christian world view is that they see their God as objective structure, the source of meaning, and complete truth.

But really, there is no objective meaning or truth. Try to think of a single word that can be defined without the need for other words. You can't. Try to explain colors to someone who is blind, you can't. for you colors exist and are tangible... for the blind person they don't. Structure and order depends on structures that precede it and follow it. "Genesis" (both capital G and lowercase g) does not happen from nothing. Even the chaos or nihilism that existed before Genesis had a structure, even if it was inverse to what actually happened in the Christian Genesis. The works of philosopher Jaques Derrida go into great detail on post-structuralism and deconstruction.

As far as truth goes, there is no "truth" either, only the power of discourse. Back to our metaphor on describing the concept of "color" to a blind person... even first-person experience in the senses is not objective and universal truth.

Look at what we know about science and what we have accepted as "truth" in the past... the Earth centered universe, the Earth being flat, Galenic medicine (the humors)... all that stuff has been discredited now. If the LHC doesn't vaporize us first, it may turn everything we currently accept as "truth" about the universe on it's head. The meaning of "truth" changes in reflection to the norms that exist during any time period. What becomes knowledge does not become knowledge based on any objective "truth," rather it becomes knowledge via those who have the power to establish "truth" through discourse (doctors, scientists, etc etc). Recommended reading here is Michel Foucault's Dicipline and Punish and The Archaeology of Knowledge.

Really, the main function and purpose of religion is to establish and enforce a system of social norms. But where religion gets it wrong is to say that there is an absolute structure and an absolute and objective truth. The nature of "reality" as we experience it is change, transcendence, the variables that exist between sign and signified.

There is no structure but what we create for ourselves.

[SPOOLIN]

LOL, IM ALIVE!

[BABY J]

LOL, IM ALIVE!

I don't understand why the fact that we are alive isn't good enough for some people. Why it isn't good enuff for some people to just have the CHANCE to live (even if just for 80 or so years) blows my mind - LOL. Ungrateful fucks just HAVE to have more --- "Hey I know... let's just pretend that there is more --- hey, let's say streets of Gold --- yeah, that sounds good!" LOL

If there was a God... I think he'd have better shit than "Gold" on the streets. Gold is what WE value here on Earth b/c of it's "rare" nature... it's hard to acquire - and it's pretty damn shiney when we process it. Only a MAN holds it to such high regard - the birds don't, the trees could give a FUCK about it --- fish shit on gold and keep on swimming. Streets of Gold is a MAN'S idea - if I was a God capable of creating all that we can see and know about the world the streets would be made of much kooler shit than that. LOL. I'm God but "gold" is all I have to offer, yet I can feed 5000 w/ 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread? LOL. Awesome.

You people are missing the whole ship... but anyway, you've got to carve a path for your own life --- if streets of gold does it for ya have fun. But even on a slick I don't think you'd get a good hook on gold... gonna be lots of roll-racing in heaven. LOL

[SPOOLIN]

But even on a slick I don't think you'd get a good hook on gold... gonna be lots of roll-racing in heaven. LOL

LOL!! thats awesome, all i want when i die is the answers to everything that is impossible for us to know right now.

How was it all created, is there life elsewhere, how big is the universe, are there other universes, are there other dimensions, is this shit like men in black where we are a damn marble played with by an animal in a larger scale LOL

[oneSLOWex]

im just curious as to why some of you stick so hard to your belief that there is no God. and to those with other religions as to why its so hard to believe in the Fundamental views and beliefs of christianity? please discuss

Because it is what THEY believe....same as the reason you believe whatever it is you believe in.


Are you that guy that walks around downtown at big events telling people they are going to burn in hell for doing things you think are wrong?

[trini_gsr]

im just curious as to why some of you stick so hard to your belief that there is no God. and to those with other religions as to why its so hard to believe in the Fundamental views and beliefs of christianity? please discuss

the same reason you stick so hard to your belief in Jesus. think about why you believe so strongly in christianity...and try to remember that there are others who feel the same way about whatever they believe in, for probably the same reasons.

when i was in college i had a roommate who is probably the best example I've met of how a Christian should live. he was real cool, always humble, never pushy about his faith...but ppl were just naturally curious about him because of how he behaved and found out about his beliefs once they got to know him. And from that he started up a Bible study in the dorm.

He taught me that if you *really* live your life by the Bible, others will take notice and you'll have your opportunity to preach to ppl who are genuinely interested and might really benefit. ppl are naturally drawn to folks whose lives are guided by real purpose. Jesus said this himself...

there's no need to beat ppl over the head with your beliefs. you just need to work on being the best example of living the Christian life that you can be...and the rest will fall into place. but this can be said about any religion.

[sport_122]

when i was in college i had a roommate who is probably the best example I've met of how a Christian should live. he was real cool, always humble, never pushy about his faith...but ppl were just naturally curious about him because of how he behaved and found out about his beliefs once they got to know him. And from that he started up a Bible study in the dorm.

He taught me that if you *really* live your life by the Bible, others will take notice and you'll have your opportunity to preach to ppl who are genuinely interested and might really benefit. ppl are naturally drawn to folks whose lives are guided by real purpose. Jesus said this himself...

there's no need to beat ppl over the head with your beliefs. you just need to work on being the best example of living the Christian life that you can be...and the rest will fall into place. but this can be said about any religion.

another interesting thread.

the only thing you have to remember is that the Christian faith openly says that we cannot live up to the standard which is held before us. This to the person on the outside looking in is always where people like to play the gotcha game. When the truth of the Christian faith is that we all come from a place of where we have struggled and wrestled with our short comings and we will continue to do so.

In many cases, the legalism that some believers display is another one of these problems. Unfortunately, many of us still act like the Christian faith is about us living our lives to a certain standard and it isn't. It is however about us not being able to live our lives to the standard that is laid out before us and being in desperate need of grace. I often wonder if that is a place where the believer and the non-believer can start to agree? The place that says, no matter the standard I set for myself or the standard that God has set for me, I am going to need grace because I cannot live up to that standard.

[BABY J]

another interesting thread.

the only thing you have to remember is that the Christian faith openly says that we cannot live up to the standard which is held before us. This to the person on the outside looking in is always where people like to play the gotcha game. When the truth of the Christian faith is that we all come from a place of where we have struggled and wrestled with our short comings and we will continue to do so.

In many cases, the legalism that some believers display is another one of these problems. Unfortunately, many of us still act like the Christian faith is about us living our lives to a certain standard and it isn't. It is however about us not being able to live our lives to the standard that is laid out before us and being in desperate need of grace. I often wonder if that is a place where the believer and the non-believer can start to agree? The place that says, no matter the standard I set for myself or the standard that God has set for me, I am going to need grace because I cannot live up to that standard.

People can live up to the standard that they set for themselves quite easily. Go to a trailer park and have a look around. A lot of those people want no more than what they have. The same can said for CEOs of business. Living to a standard that you set and continually change for yourself is very powerful - bc you can see progress and can even "arrive" if you set your mark low enuff. You don't need "grace" from an invisible character to do so. You don't need words from another "man" (bible) to do so either.

[bodhi]

I'm sitting on my chair, I have my feet up, my right knee is close to my chest -- and I'm farting.
I don't know what gave me so much gas today, but it's just coming out.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot about this....

scientific proof, and general common sense. God bless

Only thing I have to say to this is: How do you suggest we go about attempting to discover our purpose in life? Does everything have the same purpose?
Is the purpose an endpoint? Is the purpose heat death?
Does any random group of 12 hydrogen atoms in our sun have the same value in terms of this purpose as my frontal lobe or my colon? Can you give me reasons for what you think the answers are? Do you have anything to provide, other than bitchery?

[EJ25RUN]

I believe in God but not organized religion.

I do believe people that force religion onto others are brainwashed scum and need to focus on their one damn lives.

[bu villain]

im just curious as to why some of you stick so hard to your belief that there is no God. and to those with other religions as to why its so hard to believe in the Fundamental views and beliefs of christianity? please discuss

Rationality has served me very well throughout my life, so I need evidence to believe in things. I simply haven't seen enough evidence to believe in God. If I discovered some new evidence it could potentially change my belief. Keep in mind, atheists don't see the belief in God as a choice, you either believe or you don't just as I can't choose to believe that this keyboard I am typing on doesn't exist.

[s14unimog]

I love how the OP is absent for all of this. Organized religion is a joke

[geoff]

sorry it took me so long to reply back. some people are stilled blessed to have jobs and cant spend all day on the computer. first off, why do i insist on getting my beliefs across to other people, if you believed what i did and knew the outcome for those that are on the fence or dont believe in anything then you would try and do your best to help. you wouldnt stand idly by while a man put a gun to his head and shot himself would you?

second, i have still yet to hear any serious points, all i have heard is basically summed up in this, " i dont want to hear it cuz i dont like it, i live a good life and thats enough."

so lets try this again, i would like to have a serious discussion about this.

[Franco Tirador]

" i dont want to hear it cuz i dont like it, i live a good life and thats enough."

x2

what iiiifff there really was a heaven and hell? where would you guys go when you die?

what is the best selling book of all time?

[SPOOLIN]

you wouldnt stand idly by while a man put a gun to his head and shot himself would you?

I sure as hell wouldn't let his crazy ass shoot me!

[Stuntman G]

[quote=geoff;38568957]you wouldnt stand idly by while a man put a gun to his head and shot himself would you?[quote]
That depends. Is he trying to get a useful conversation out of a topic that has been beaten to death for decades and will never reach closure? In that case, luck is not on his side.

[BABY J]

There is some serious ammo in this thread... you just chose to overlook it... you can start w/ post #3. LOL

[quickdodge®]

why do i insist on getting my beliefs across to other people, if you believed what i did and knew the outcome for those that are on the fence or dont believe in anything then you would try and do your best to help. you wouldnt stand idly by while a man put a gun to his head and shot himself would you?

So you think that a man has to be a believer in God to do the right thing? How do you know what kind of life any of us has led? How do you know that none of us has ever done a deed greater than expected? Do you think you're the only one that can do Samaritan-like deeds because of your beliefs?

You speak awfully high and mighty of yourself in this thread. Do you realize how you show your true "Christian" colors by that?

second, i have still yet to hear any serious points, all i have heard is basically summed up in this, " i dont want to hear it cuz i dont like it, i live a good life and thats enough."

Not from me you didn't..... \/ \/ \/

you can start w/ post #3. LOL

Later, QD.

[EJdm]

GO QD!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[ATL_EG]

personally i see religion as way of mass population control, but to actually answer your question, i've never seen any proof of any god. Im not one to believe something just because im told to, if one of your "gods" shows himself to me, then yeah i'll bite, until then i'll put my faith in myself.

[japan4racing]

personally i see religion as way of mass population control, but to actually answer your question, i've never seen any proof of any god. Im not one to believe something just because im told to, if one of your "gods" shows himself to me, then yeah i'll bite, until then i'll put my faith in myself.

hit the nail on the head

[EJdm]

i always wanted to know this...so please explain it to me...i went to church and had faith until of course something happen and i lost that faith...well anyways in the bible it says that you cant be gay because its a sin but it also says that god created everyone...so god made a mistake by making those gay people and punish them??? because scientifically people that are gay were born with more of progestin/estrogen...and of course they're a hand full of them that just want to be gay...

[Pulp_Fiction]

Honestly what it seemed like in the OP is that he is trying to hint at why the hardcore athiests are so hellbent on telling everyone their beliefs about nothing. "God doesn't exist, why can you believe in that shit? There is no empyrical evidence ...." those kinds of people. And I honestly don't understand why you want to spread a message of nothingness but, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Now I am a christian, BUT, I am a terrible example of what one should be so I don't preach about it or wear crosses. I drink alot, swear alot, and do dumb shit so I don't like to flaunt it cause I am certainly not setting an example. The only time I will tell someone about my religion is if they ask. The reason I do this, I don't want someone forcing their beliefs on me so I pay everyone else the courtesy. Those people on the street corners preaching Jesus annoy me as well, I appreciate why they are there, but it pisses me off and if they were gonna stand somewhere stand in front of a church or something, not a fucking rock concert. All they are doing is giving religion a bad name and they are doing so much more harm than good for their cause. Most christians aren't like this.

@EJdm: I still debate this with my hardcore christian friend (who sleeps around alot .. go figure). I personally don't think the bible condemns homosexuality. Here is my reasoning, god made them. I have also noticed that most people who think homosexuals go to hell also believe that it is a choice. No, it is not a choice. You don't just wake up and say "well, today I like women because it is more socially acceptable", you are born with an attraction to one sex or the other thats it. If you want me to elaborate further I can but for now I am exhausted, school is killing me!

[quickdodge®]

Honestly what it seemed like in the OP is that he is trying to hint at why the hardcore athiests are so hellbent on telling everyone their beliefs about nothing.

The same can be said about the hardcore "Chrisitans." Why are they so hellbent on telling everyone they need to live by the rules of GOd or the Bible?

And I honestly don't understand why you want to spread a message of nothingness but, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Again, the same thing can be said here. Why do you want to spread a message of nothingness?

It's a two-way street on that topic so why question what others do or believe in? Later, QD.

[Pulp_Fiction]

The same can be said about the hardcore "Chrisitans." Why are they so hellbent on telling everyone they need to live by the rules of GOd or the Bible?



Again, the same thing can be said here. Why do you want to spread a message of nothingness?

It's a two-way street on that topic so why question what others do or believe in? Later, QD.

Did you read the rest of my post? Answered. I don't want anyone spreading anything unless asked. I used to live in Utah and was constantly harassed by mormons .... I know what it feels like. But people are passionate about religion so I guess people can be passionate about nothingness. Being a christian you stand behind your beliefs but I don't know why you want to stand behind nothing but I suppose some people could.

@s14unimog: 1/2 Christian? As opposed to a whole one? All that matters in the end is that you are saved and believe in God. You don't get on heaven based on works. Whether you go to church every sunday or not at all it makes no difference. Everyone worships and honors god in their own way. And making statements like the ones you made are all operating under the assumption that someone is capable of being a 100% pure christian. We are all humans and all flawed, religion is about purity in an unpure world and we do the best we can but we are all flawed and no one is capable of being 100% christian, thats kinda the whole point of religion there. Now I am non-demoninational so I just say christian, but this is totally different from a catholic perspective. Don't get me started on them, I'm sure I despise those catholic activists as much as anyone on here. Catholicism consists of way to many man made rituals, so please don't base your opinion of the christian religions on them.

It is also hard to argue faith. Thats what religion is, you put your faith in something beyond yourself. I can't prove to you that I am right but you can't prove I am wrong (religion in a nutshell). It is a lot easier to cut down religious responses to your tongue-in-cheek questions when you already know you are going to disapprove of the answers. If you have serious questions please ask them but keep an open mind, all the religious people on here are doing our best to explain this but you have to understand how difficult it is to argue faith and how simple it is to cut it down with science.

[s14unimog]

All that matters in the end is that you are saved and believe in God.

According to your religion this is not a true statement. there are no scriptures that suggest you don't have to be 100% Christian, and you know that.

If you have serious questions please ask them but keep an open mind, all the religious people on here are doing our best to explain this but you have to understand how difficult it is to argue faith and how simple it is to cut it down with science.

The questions I have listed above are very serious one. Each apply to believers in a serious manner. I would like a serious response. Why is it so difficult to explain, your religion is supposed to provide all of the answers for you. Its simple to cut you down with science b/c I have FACTUAL EVIDENCE!

I appreciate your response and the tone in which you responded to it but the fact remains that countless events of so called "acts of god" have been disproved and scientifically explained. And I do agree with you that I can't fully disprove you but you can't expect me to believe in creationism, or that Jona survived in a whale, when science can disprove that. Aside from debates about faith, and its contradictions towards science my biggest problem with religion comes back to the death and destruction it has caused. Its a malicious organization built to control a populous. Don't believe me, look in your history books.

[quickdodge®]

I don't want anyone spreading anything unless asked.

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Like I said, that's a two-way street. You know there are more people trying to spread "the Word" than there are that try to spread atheism. You get preyed upon in your own neighborhood. You get preyed upon when you go to the grocery store. I don't go to people's houses at 9am on a Saturday morning and try to teach them about whatever.

I know what it feels like. But people are passionate about religion so I guess people can be passionate about nothingness. Being a christian you stand behind your beliefs but I don't know why you want to stand behind nothing but I suppose some people could.

You stand behind a faith. Faith is not a "something." It is not a tangible item. So in essence, we both stand for nothingness.

It is also hard to argue faith. Thats what religion is, you put your faith in something beyond yourself. I can't prove to you that I am right but you can't prove I am wrong (religion in a nutshell).

I agree. Faith is like an opinion. You can't argue it. There is no clear cut right or wrong answer.

For the record, I do believe in God (pretty sure I stated this earlier in the thread). I just have questions that no one on Earth can answer. I don't like to be preyed upon by "Christians." I don't like "Christian" people. That's ust me. Later, QD.

[_Christian_]

@s14unimog: 1/2 Christian? As opposed to a whole one? All that matters in the end is that you are saved and believe in God. You don't get on heaven based on works. Whether you go to church every sunday or not at all it makes no difference. Everyone worships and honors god in their own way. And making statements like the ones you made are all operating under the assumption that someone is capable of being a 100% pure christian. We are all humans and all flawed, religion is about purity in an unpure world and we do the best we can but we are all flawed and no one is capable of being 100% christian, thats kinda the whole point of religion there. Now I am non-demoninational so I just say christian, but this is totally different from a catholic perspective. Don't get me started on them, I'm sure I despise those catholic activists as much as anyone on here. Catholicism consists of way to many man made rituals, so please don't base your opinion of the christian religions on them.

Of course. It doesn't matter how good or moral you are, just that you believe.

It is also hard to argue faith. Thats what religion is, you put your faith in something beyond yourself. I can't prove to you that I am right but you can't prove I am wrong (religion in a nutshell).

The underwear gnomes in my dresser just created the universe 5 minutes ago and gave us all memories. Can you prove me wrong?

to add to the op thread i am going to say this.


to not believe VS to believe in a higher power such as (GOD)



why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats it so what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...

Pascal's wager is fundamentally flawed on so many levels. First of all it's a false dichotomy, it ignores all other religions and all other hells to which you could be subjugated for choosing the wrong god. It also makes the claim that belief and worship cost nothing, which isn't true. There are also a couple of underlying assumptions...like that belief is subject to the will, in which case you choose to believe as an insurance policy, and that this god is credulous enough to buy into it.

u ask explain in a milder way..

Ok lets say u was going to cancun for vacation u hit that plane and u have no doubt!! in your mind in 5hr's u will be in cancun and the vacation will be so relaxing.But there is some things the pilot is going to have u do before u leave other wise u want leave,Now that is faith because you believe that u will be there in 5hr's. with faiths comes trust. U trust that the pilot is going to get you there alive.So u put your stuff up and grab the seat belt like your suppose to do.But u haven't even left the airport yet so why do u believe so much that u gonna make it??

Because u would rather believe,trust and have faith in the pilot that he is going to get you there.Now isnt that better than thinking u going to die on the way there? other wise u would have never jumped on that plane.

thats how i feel about God id rather trust his word and do what he would have me do so that i can make it to the other side..

There are two types of faith, testable and non-testable.

All theists/atheists require testable faith. We use it every day to walk, drive, work, perform any activity.

Non-testable faith can only be applied to religions that have a divine supernatural entity.

We all have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, but that faith is based on evidence rather than a lack of evidence like religious faith. Faith that your plane will arrive safely is based on evidence that there is a very low likelyhood of a crash. This is testable.

my original post was not to insult non-believers but to try and grasp as to what their reasoning behind not believing is.

Probably the same as your reasoning for not believing in leprechauns.

i think the biggest problem non-believers have falls in one of two categories or both. 1. they cant deal with the idea that they dont truly control their own lives. 2. they dont like to think that there are consequences for their actions. which one are you?

1. I'm fairly certain we have free will. We don't control some aspects of our lives, but that doesn't mean it's controlled by a cosmic universe creator. I have seen nothing in my life to which I needed to attribute to some supernatural cause.

2. There are plenty of worldly consequences for every action.

you know what i dont have facts to prove God and you dont have facts to disprove Him.

The burden of proof lies with those making the claim. You don't have the facts to disprove any other deities, by your own logic that puts the Judeo-Christian god on the same level as any other god as far as provability.

BUT, science points more towards the God of the Bible than to some random game of chance where everything came from nothing. all of this around here came from something that was not bound by our laws of physics. that means this thing had to be self aware and self conscience and created EVERYTHING for some purpose...no? or was it that nothing got bored one day and said let me roll the dice and see what happens? you may not agree to the God of the Bible and those reasons are your own to keep, but from your own mouth you agreed with me that all this came from something. to take a gamble that the God of the Bible is not Him and bet your eternity on something your not too sure about is not safe

Nothing is known about what exists outside of spacetime. It's the old god of the gaps argument. We don't have an explanation for a cause so therefor it's god. Creation itself is a causal activity. Causality is contigent upon time. How does a timeless being do causal things?

i have my belief not from what someone taught or told me. i am new to christianity. i have had my own personal experiences with God that i can not deny. they were miracles and signs and wonders. God has spoken to me through the bible several times. He has answered all my prayers, HE built up my faith not some man. i can say God exists cuz i honestly sought after Truth and found Him at the end of the road.

I can't question your personal experience, but I hope you can see how your experience isn't valid evidence for another person.

He has answered all your prayers? If that's true, please pray to end world hunger. I have a feeling it's just confirmation bias, but we'll see.

im tired and going to bed. gotta wake up early for work. will continue this tom. here is some food for thought tho. some claim that I KNOW GOD ISNT REAL!!!! to those i say in response, do you know or believe that you will wake up tommorow? do you know or believe that you will be here next week, month, year? ( got this from another site. pretty good tho.) sometimes believing is all we have. for in life, there is actually very little that we do know. good night, God bless, and i pray for you all daily...may God Himself build up your faith.

People who claim to know god isn't real are just as fundamentalist as religious people who claim to know god is real. It's a very closed minded way of thinking as neither can be known since such claims are not falsifiable.

Well i tell you this thread is starting to turnout mature again 1 other thing is i have to believe in god because i was raised around a dad that trusted him to the max and did things that would make a no since to a person that doe's not no him in a personal way.I will give u the reasons why i no he is real.


I was around 8yr old when we was on a church trip back from mexico we had given all our money away to the kids pretty much and had just a few $ left.at the time i was like wow! u got to be kidding me this church stuff is going to get us stranded out here in the middle of no where lost.It was about 4-5 car's all travel together we have enough $ to get to the alabama line by the time we pulled up on (E) for the last fill up the pastor filled every 1 else up with the little money he had and then said lets see if god wil work for us. He pulled out duck tape from my dads old van"which was our work van also" he put tape over the empty gas hand and prayed then drove from the alabama line to out side athens ga on (E) ran out of gas as he was turning in to his house. U can say what ever you like about luck are whatever,But from that moment on i think my belief in god growed because luck would not have ever got him that far on (E) about 121miles

God isn't the only possible explanation. You really think god used his infinite gas hack so you wouldn't be stranded but won't cure AIDS?

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Honestly what it seemed like in the OP is that he is trying to hint at why the hardcore athiests are so hellbent on telling everyone their beliefs about nothing. "God doesn't exist, why can you believe in that shit? There is no empyrical evidence ...." those kinds of people. And I honestly don't understand why you want to spread a message of nothingness but, whatever floats your boat I guess.

Now I am a christian, BUT, I am a terrible example of what one should be so I don't preach about it or wear crosses. I drink alot, swear alot, and do dumb shit so I don't like to flaunt it cause I am certainly not setting an example. The only time I will tell someone about my religion is if they ask. The reason I do this, I don't want someone forcing their beliefs on me so I pay everyone else the courtesy. Those people on the street corners preaching Jesus annoy me as well, I appreciate why they are there, but it pisses me off and if they were gonna stand somewhere stand in front of a church or something, not a fucking rock concert. All they are doing is giving religion a bad name and they are doing so much more harm than good for their cause. Most christians aren't like this.

@EJdm: I still debate this with my hardcore christian friend (who sleeps around alot .. go figure). I personally don't think the bible condemns homosexuality. Here is my reasoning, god made them. I have also noticed that most people who think homosexuals go to hell also believe that it is a choice. No, it is not a choice. You don't just wake up and say "well, today I like women because it is more socially acceptable", you are born with an attraction to one sex or the other thats it. If you want me to elaborate further I can but for now I am exhausted, school is killing me!

Well addressed. You can call yourself Christian but are not one through your actions.

The single biggest cause of Atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Him with their lips but walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. Now THAT is what an unbelieving world simply finds, unbelievable.

and what you personally think of homosexuality not being condemned by God (or at least shouldn't) is Biblically wrong or mis-informed (along with your hardcare Christian friend who sleeps around alot)... Read 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 and if it don't get much more plain than that... Keep reading that chapter and it explains why.

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A Question for "Pulp Fiction" So its acceptable to be half Christian? You reap all of the benefits after death yet don't have to follow the book word for word? The inconsistencies and self interpretation of religion is the only reason Christians can argue their position. Then my favorite part, when cornered, you guys drop the "faith" boom. Sorta a cop out in my opinion...

I'll pose a few question for discussion....

1. Why is it that you pray to a symbol of death? The crucifix is one of the most barbaric, inhuman, ways to torture someone.
2. Why do you choose to associate yourself with an organization that has been responsible for millions of deaths over thousands of years. Your faith persecutes non-believers, that's not very christian of you.
3. How did Jona survive inside a whale?
4. How could god create two people to populate the earth and not encourage incest?
5. Are Dinosaurs real?

Just b/c religion has been around for as long as it has, doesn't make it right. Its okay, people were naive, scared, looking for hope in a time of uncertainty. Its human nature to develop reasons for what happens in front of you. I can assure you, a lightening bolt striking down is NOT an act of god; but at one time it would have been considered this. Grow up, the fairy tails are a joke, open your eyes, think for yourself!

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People in modern society usually agree that we should base our conclusions on reason and empirical evidence. The very idea of "faith" is about believing something without evidence or even in the face of contradictory evidence. If someone says they have faith that unicorns exist, most Christians would have no problem saying that person was a little slow or even stupid but yet if they hold a "faith" belief in certain other things (say that a certain book is the word of God) they are exaulted.

We atheists also don't know why some Christians try to equate not believing in something as "faith". They claim atheism is a religion but do they consider not believing in unicorns a religion also?

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to add to the op thread i am going to say this.


to not believe VS to believe in a higher power such as (GOD)



why i believe in God... why not? I would rather believe that i have a better place to go when i die other than no where.I mean i can't really understand how people don't get it u don't want to believe in nothing thats fine live the rest of your life thinking when u die thats it so what if i believe in god i would like to think that if i was wrong and god does not exist then whoopi doo i loss nothing. BUT!!!! lets say i die and next thing i no here is another world that i have read about in the bible and all this is true.then it was worth every minute i spent learning. as for the people with no beliefs sad sad day...

u ask explain in a milder way..

Ok lets say u was going to cancun for vacation u hit that plane and u have no doubt!! in your mind in 5hr's u will be in cancun and the vacation will be so relaxing.But there is some things the pilot is going to have u do before u leave other wise u want leave,Now that is faith because you believe that u will be there in 5hr's. with faiths comes trust. U trust that the pilot is going to get you there alive.So u put your stuff up and grab the seat belt like your suppose to do.But u haven't even left the airport yet so why do u believe so much that u gonna make it??

Because u would rather believe,trust and have faith in the pilot that he is going to get you there.Now isnt that better than thinking u going to die on the way there? other wise u would have never jumped on that plane.

thats how i feel about God id rather trust his word and do what he would have me do so that i can make it to the other side..


As for the people that say's oh! well u can't see god.I say go grab the good book and read there some great info about that in there and if you could understand it like u understand tiger woods cheating when u read it then u should be fine.I personally don't go out and try to drive ppl to religion because most religion now day's is so corrupt i don't blame them for staying away.

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As for the people that say's oh! well u can't see god.I say go grab the good book and read there some great info about that in there

You make some decent points. But not in the line I quoted. There is nothing in the "good book" that is going to provide concrete, physical evidence of God. It's just not there. I hope I end up in heaven if there is one. I live my life according to my morals (which do happen to be the basic 10 Commandments) and hope that the good life I lead will be sufficient to get me to a better place. Later, QD.