God is the Creator? Proven Wrong!

[PURP]

so..... i read it... and i'm not seeing where i should question my faith any?

did i miss something other than a bunch of euro guys in white suits under the secret VW trying to un-pimp zee auto used a microscope and some ice to speed up particles in a fire hose in efforts to add improved efficiency to their DFI head design to aid in fuel atomization and combustion?

what she said..

also, the big bang theory is just that, a theory. Someone one day was sitting around drinking a ton of scotch and said, "hey, this world was created from a giant ass hole in the space above us. It's stomach got all churny and hurting, then BANG!!!!!!!! It shit all of us out and here we are.

Couple questions.

1. Has anyone here been to the moon? without a needle!

2. How do you really know that when you look up into space, that you're not just looking at a giant projection of a fake sky?

3. If we evolved from apes and that's how we were created so to speak, then why are we still not turning from apes to men now? Baby apes are born all the time around the world. But yet my son came out of my wifes vag.

I'm not an expert on anything and honestly what I'm saying/asking might not mean shit to you. But I know I'm not the only person asking those same questions

[bodhi]

what she said..

also, the big bang theory is just that, a theory. Someone one day was sitting around drinking a ton of scotch and said, "hey, this world was created from a giant ass hole in the space above us. It's stomach got all churny and hurting, then BANG!!!!!!!! It shit all of us out and here we are.

Couple questions.

1. Has anyone here been to the moon? without a needle!

2. How do you really know that when you look up into space, that you're not just looking at a giant projection of a fake sky?

3. If we evolved from apes and that's how we were created so to speak, then why are we still not turning from apes to men now? Baby apes are born all the time around the world. But yet my son came out of my wifes vag.

I'm not an expert on anything and honestly what I'm saying/asking might not mean shit to you. But I know I'm not the only person asking those same questions

What's the difference between animals and man? Simple. It's a fense. Now, I will try to answer some of your questions with minor examples. Before I do though, let me get on your curiosity with the big bang theory. You say that it's only a theory-so therefore it is not something that should be taken as fact. This is true, but, just like gravity is a "theory" so are many things in science. The theories only explains the mechanisms behind it. That's their only purpose. Scientific Theory


Q. Has anyone here been to the moon? without a needle!
A. The moon is still a very controversial subject in the scientific commuinty. Now, my honest, complete thoughts on this whole moon landing thing right is that I don't know. I really don't know if they went there.
I think we all have our reasons for believing one way or the other, but the truth is as far as the documented media on history goes, the moon landings were very, very young in our development. No internet, no VCR's, no where near the same accountability as we have today.

I think many, many people aren't even considering the possibility that it was hoaxed, because it makes you seem completely retarded, and the idea of it being possibly true is very disturbing.

My position has always been that it doesn't make sense that we never went back. it doesn't make sense that it was the only time in human history that people have been above 400 miles from the Earth's surface, and that despite and active space program we haven't been back since 1972. That's 37 fucking years ago. That's an insane amount of time to be frozen in progress. The space program continues to press forward, but we never leave Earth's orbit again. There hasn't been a single technological achievement from 1969 that's not easier, cheaper and faster to reproduce today- except for the moon landings.
That doesn't make sense to me, and it makes me suspicious.
The post flight press conference where it clearly seems like they're lying makes me curious. The video of a dude hopping by a flag and it blowing in the breeze, that makes me wonder.


Q. How do you really know that when you look up into space, that you're not just looking at a giant projection of a fake sky?
A. Because everything that's been looked at has been calculated/observed to have distance, mass, it's own gravitational field, and many other things. It cannot be a projection. It's not possible for it to be just some made up "movie." Where do those fancy rockets go then? Around the earth?
This sounds more like a philosophical question to me. I mean you can't be serious, right?


Q. If we evolved from apes and that's how we were created so to speak, then why are we still not turning from apes to men now? Baby apes are born all the time around the world. But yet my son came out of my wifes vag
A. Evidence for evolution:

-Fused Chromosome #2
-Vestigial Organs
-Comparitive DNA
-Geographical distribution of animals
-Skeletal structures

How about the fact we've *observed* it happen in things like nylon-digesting bacteria and HeLa cells? Look up "observed instance of speciation" on google.


Unfortunately I have to say that there is a strong possibility that no one will ever be able to prove whether the universe is a result of intelligence or not. The Big Bang, God, everything! I think the mystery will always be there to remind us that we have to keep seeking the truth.
The universe is more complicated then we can understand whether we like it or not.

[nreggie454]

The video of a dude hopping by a flag and it blowing in the breeze, that makes me wonder.

Actually, they tested that (any many of the other moon landing myths) on Mythbusters. The same phenomenon was shown when a flag was placed in the same manner in a vacuum. Basically, the "flapping" motion that you see is actually the momentum of the flag itself when they are planting it in the ground. The flapping is due to no wind resistance on the side-to-side motion of the flag and that is why it looks like it is flapping in the "wind."

Granted, I also find it very weird that they haven't been back to the moon since then, but hopefully with the findings of the recent "bombing" of the moon, we will have more missions there.

[bodhi]

Actually, they tested that (any many of the other moon landing myths) on Mythbusters. The same phenomenon was shown when a flag was placed in the same manner in a vacuum. Basically, the "flapping" motion that you see is actually the momentum of the flag itself when they are planting it in the ground. The flapping is due to no wind resistance on the side-to-side motion of the flag and that is why it looks like it is flapping in the "wind."

Granted, I also find it very weird that they haven't been back to the moon since then, but hopefully with the findings of the recent "bombing" of the moon, we will have more missions there.

Yeah, and I thought they (except one) were all busted? MythBusters Episode 104: NASA Moon Landing

History books and the Bible should be sold in the same section in book stores. I question people that don't question anything. That's just me.

[Glides]

What's the difference between animals and man? Simple. It's a fense. Now, I will try to answer some of your questions with minor examples. Before I do though, let me get on your curiosity with the big bang theory. You say that it's only a theory-so therefore it is not something that should be taken as fact. This is true, but, just like gravity is a "theory" so are many things in science. The theories only explains the mechanisms behind it. That's their only purpose. Scientific Theory


Q. Has anyone here been to the moon? without a needle!
A. The moon is still a very controversial subject in the scientific commuinty. Now, my honest, complete thoughts on this whole moon landing thing right is that I don't know. I really don't know if they went there.
I think we all have our reasons for believing one way or the other, but the truth is as far as the documented media on history goes, the moon landings were very, very young in our development. No internet, no VCR's, no where near the same accountability as we have today.

I think many, many people aren't even considering the possibility that it was hoaxed, because it makes you seem completely retarded, and the idea of it being possibly true is very disturbing.

My position has always been that it doesn't make sense that we never went back. it doesn't make sense that it was the only time in human history that people have been above 400 miles from the Earth's surface, and that despite and active space program we haven't been back since 1972. That's 37 fucking years ago. That's an insane amount of time to be frozen in progress. The space program continues to press forward, but we never leave Earth's orbit again. There hasn't been a single technological achievement from 1969 that's not easier, cheaper and faster to reproduce today- except for the moon landings.
That doesn't make sense to me, and it makes me suspicious.
The post flight press conference where it clearly seems like they're lying makes me curious. The video of a dude hopping by a flag and it blowing in the breeze, that makes me wonder.


Q. How do you really know that when you look up into space, that you're not just looking at a giant projection of a fake sky?
A. Because everything that's been looked at has been calculated/observed to have distance, mass, it's own gravitational field, and many other things. It cannot be a projection. It's not possible for it to be just some made up "movie." Where do those fancy rockets go then? Around the earth?
This sounds more like a philosophical question to me. I mean you can't be serious, right?


Q. If we evolved from apes and that's how we were created so to speak, then why are we still not turning from apes to men now? Baby apes are born all the time around the world. But yet my son came out of my wifes vag
A. Evidence for evolution:

-Fused Chromosome #2
-Vestigial Organs
-Comparitive DNA
-Geographical distribution of animals
-Skeletal structures

How about the fact we've *observed* it happen in things like nylon-digesting bacteria and HeLa cells? Look up "observed instance of speciation" on google.


Unfortunately I have to say that there is a strong possibility that no one will ever be able to prove whether the universe is a result of intelligence or not. The Big Bang, God, everything! I think the mystery will always be there to remind us that we have to keep seeking the truth.
The universe is more complicated then we can understand whether we like it or not.

I got to know this.

How the hell did you get ALL of this into your post....but spell Fence wrong?


I think you copy/pasted it personally. But that's just my conspiracy theory.

[_Christian_]

what she said..

also, the big bang theory is just that, a theory. Someone one day was sitting around drinking a ton of scotch and said, "hey, this world was created from a giant ass hole in the space above us. It's stomach got all churny and hurting, then BANG!!!!!!!! It shit all of us out and here we are.

Just a theory...so is gravity, germs, cells, etc. It seems to me that you have theory and hypothesis confused. The big bang is a cosmological model of the expansion of the universe. Do you have issues with quantum mechanics? ...or general relativity? You should look into cosmic microwave background radiation if you're wanting evidence.

Couple questions.

1. Has anyone here been to the moon? without a needle!

Not quite sure what you mean by "without needle".

2. How do you really know that when you look up into space, that you're not just looking at a giant projection of a fake sky?

I can fly in the atmosphere, I can talk to people who have been to space, I can see videos and pictures from space, If I have the funds available I can visit myself, spacecraft have traveled beyond our solar system, there is radiation in space, particles and waves exist. There are a million observable/demonstrable ways to backup the current claim.

3. If we evolved from apes and that's how we were created so to speak, then why are we still not turning from apes to men now? Baby apes are born all the time around the world. But yet my son came out of my wifes vag.

I'm not an expert on anything and honestly what I'm saying/asking might not mean shit to you. But I know I'm not the only person asking those same questions

We share common ancestry. The evolutionary process is very slow. You cannot observe much from one generation to the next. Look into speciation. There are many observed instances. Look at the changes in domesticated dogs just from the past few centuries. Imagine what can happen when you have a timescale of tens of millions or even hundreds of million of years.

Omg how many threads is going to come up like this ppl still trying to prove there is no god.What i do find funny is when the usa was founded on god we where strong as a nation.But since every 1 is wanting to get rid of him out of our schools,courthouses etc Well u see the outcome school shootings,more murder numbers,nations rising up against us etc. I mean if we believed in GOD like the muslims believe in allah we would be a much greater nations as we once was

Now on the real check this out and i mean read it all and lets see if you still want to believe yo big bang




http://www.achristianhome.org/God_vs._Science.htm

The burden of proof lies on those who make the supernatural claim, not those who are skeptical of it. If you openly subscribe to a particular viewpoint you should expect scrutiny. The US was founded on secular principles. The gov't is not supposed to take any stance on religion. You can still pray in school all you want, the school just can't sanction prayer time. The ten commandments shouldn't be displayed in any government building.

What do crime rates have to do with anything? You can't show any sort of direct correlation. It makes equal sense for me to come to the conclusion that since Ben and Jerry's discontinuation of their Halloween flavored ice cream, crime rates have gone up. Ergo, Halloween flavored ice cream prevents crime. Violent crime in Atlanta has actually decreased btw.

Here's a better link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

[Glides]

Just a theory...so is gravity, germs, cells, etc. It seems to me that you have theory and hypothesis confused. The big bang is a cosmological model of the expansion of the universe. Do you have issues with quantum mechanics? ...or general relativity? You should look into cosmic microwave background radiation if you're wanting evidence.


Not quite sure what you mean by "without needle".


I can fly in the atmosphere, I can talk to people who have been to space, I can see videos and pictures from space, If I have the funds available I can visit myself, spacecraft have traveled beyond our solar system, there is radiation in space, particles and waves exist. There are a million observable/demonstrable ways to backup the current claim.


We share common ancestry. The evolutionary process is very slow. You cannot observe much from one generation to the next. Look into speciation. There are many observed instances. Look at the changes in domesticated dogs just from the past few centuries. Imagine what can happen when you have a timescale of tens of millions or even hundreds of million of years.


The burden of proof lies on those who make the supernatural claim, not those who are skeptical of it. If you openly subscribe to a particular viewpoint you should expect scrutiny. The US was founded on secular principles. The gov't is not supposed to take any stance on religion. You can still pray in school all you want, the school just can't sanction prayer time. The ten commandments shouldn't be displayed in any government building.

What do crime rates have to do with anything? You can't show any sort of direct correlation. It makes equal sense for me to come to the conclusion that since Ben and Jerry's discontinuation of their Halloween flavored ice cream, crime rates have gone up. Ergo, Halloween flavored ice cream prevents crime. Violent crime in Atlanta has actually decreased btw.

Here's a better link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

You gets the reps!

[BABY J]

The burden of proof lies on those who make the supernatural claim, not those who are skeptical of it. If you openly subscribe to a particular viewpoint you should expect scrutiny. The US was founded on secular principles. The gov't is not supposed to take any stance on religion. You can still pray in school all you want, the school just can't sanction prayer time. The ten commandments shouldn't be displayed in any government building.

+ amillion.

Sounds a lot like : http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...8&postcount=26