earth is 6000+ years old...?

[SPOOLIN]

holy shit you guys are going off...and about darwin converting to christianity on his death bed...

What person right before they are about to be in some serious shit doesn't say..."oh god!"

or, "god?....if there is a god....please help me"

LOL

[99hatch]

holy shit you guys are going off...and about darwin converting to christianity on his death bed...

What person right before they are about to be in some serious shit doesn't say..."oh god!"

or, "god?....if there is a god....please help me"

LOL

Well Baby J and I are having a discussion, and what do you expect when 2 people stand on 2 different sides of the Fence. Personally I really Enjoying discussing Religion with someone who does not get offended and can offer some perspective from the other side.

About Darwin: Why would someone like Darwin, who was dedicated to disproving God say Oh God, or if there is a God help me. He didnt just say that according to the information we have. This excerpt is from the book that claims he did become a Christian before he died:

It was one of those glorious autumn afternoons, that we sometimes enjoy in England, when I was asked to go in and sit with the well known professor, Charles Darwin. He was almost bedridden for some months before he died. I used to feel when I saw him that his fine presence would make a grand picture for our Royal Academy; but never did I think so more strongly than on this particular occasion.

He was sitting up in bed, wearing a soft embroidered dressing gown, of rather a rich purple shade.

Propped up by pillows, he was gazing out on a far-stretching scene of woods and cornfields, which glowed in the light of one of those marvelous sunsets which are the beauty of Kent and Surrey. His noble forehead and fine features seem to be lit up with pleasure as I entered the room.

He waved his hand toward the window as he pointed out the scene beyond, while in the other hand he held an open Bible, which he was always studying.

"What are you reading now?" I asked as I seated myself beside his bedside. "Hebrews!" he answered - "still Hebrews. 'The Royal Book' I call it. Isn't it grand?"

Then, placing his finger on certain passages, he commented on them.

I made some allusions to the strong opinions expressed by many persons on the history of the Creation, its grandeur, and then their treatment of the earlier chapters of the Book of Genesis.

He seemed greatly distressed, his fingers twitched nervously, and a look of agony came over his face as he said: "I was a young man with unformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything, and to my astonishment, the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them."

Then he paused, and after a few more sentences on "the holiness of God" and the "grandeur of this book," looking at the Bible which he was holding tenderly all the time, he suddenly said: "I have a summer house in the garden which holds about thirty people. It is over there," pointing through the open window. "I want you very much to speak there. I know you read the Bible in the villages. To-morrow afternoon I should like the servants on the place, some tenants and a few of the neighbours; to gather there. Will you speak to them?"

"What shall I speak about?" I asked.

"Christ Jesus!" he replied in a clear, emphatic voice, adding in a lower tone, "and his salvation. Is not that the best theme? And then I want you to sing some hymns with them. You lead on your small instrument, do you not?" The wonderful look of brightness and animation on his face as he said this I shall never forget, for he added: "If you take the meeting at three o'clock this window will be open, and you will know that I am joining in with the singing."

How I wished I could have made a picture of the fine old man and his beautiful surroundings on that memorable day!

Another example is Dr. James Kennedy is another person who spent the better part of his life trying to disprove the Bible and became a Christian.

In his book Why I Believe, Dr. James Kennedy relays the story of Sir William Ramsey who devoted his whole life to disproving the Bible. He was a respected, wealthy atheist with a Ph.D. from Oxford. In attempting to disprove the Bible, he unearthed hundreds of findings that confirmed its accuracy. After 25 years of digging, he shocked the whole critical world by declaring himself to be a Christian.

[Paul]

holy shit you guys are going off...and about darwin converting to christianity on his death bed...

What person right before they are about to be in some serious shit doesn't say..."oh god!"

or, "god?....if there is a god....please help me"

LOL

the key word was "claims" he converted... this is a nice way for Christians to get the last word of a dying man

don't drink the juice!

[99hatch]

the key word was "claims" he converted... this is a nice way for Christians to get the last word of a dying man

don't drink the juice!

I stated that, as I am completely aware of the Facts. Like i said there are many others, but show me where he didnt?

[Paul]

I stated that, as I am completely aware of the Facts. Like i said there are many others, but show me where he didnt?

well considering no one is alive that was then how can anyone have proof of such? i guess you just have to have "faith"

men w/ conviction don't change their belief system even in the face of death furthermore he was intelligent enough to understand that blasphemy is unforgivable so he could never be saved.

[SPOOLIN]

the key word was "claims" he converted... this is a nice way for Christians to get the last word of a dying man

don't drink the juice!

i was just meaning that he didn't convert. it was a fluke of typical speech lol.