First of all I must say that--geoff has proven yet again, that well, there is simply no way that he could ever win an argument when it comes to religion.
Resorting to being as primitive as the bible, being close-minded, clearly being in denial, lacking simple comprehension skills, the list, sadly, goes on and on...
I don't put much effort nowadays on religious topics, because I've been doing so for many years, but's it's totally necessary in this thread. It's 8:06 am as I type, so let us see how long it takes me to completely destroy your God (with facts, links, video clips, ect. ect.), and if you cannot reply back with a "logical" rebuttal, then I'm afraid to say that our discussion will be over. Bring facts- NOT scriptures, personal beliefs, or anything else that serves no purpose but to make the scroller on the right hand side of our monitors smaller, and the page longer.
Are those simple requests understood, geoff? Should be easy for you... seeing as how God created everything and proof of his/hers/it's existence should technically be everywhere, and not just in the bible... riight?
Originally Posted by geoff
Seriously dude, you should start treating the "Submit Reply" button like it costs you money, because every one of your posts makes absolutely no sense at all! You are simply posting up a personal belief, and refuse to accept or even acknowledge an intellectual rebuttal from anyone who has posted against you.
Like you've said: "I do believe..." just because you believe that there is only "ONE" God doesn't make it so. Just because YOU think God is the reason behind life, and that there is no other explanation for life being what it is doesn't make it true. You're still a young guy who still has much to experience in life.
Throughout your life, you might ask God to assist you during your hard times, but at the end you are the only one who'll be able to help yourself.
You've said that you did not grow into religion, but that you found God on your own. Did you venture on some quest, barefooted with only a sword and a shield, or did you simply just get yourself in a tough situation, and eventually found the bible--and couldn't help but to continue reading. So it changed your prespective on life.
Even if that's not how it happened the truth is this:
When things go bad - people turn to God.
When things go well - people praise God.
When someone is lost - they talk to God.
When someone is hopeful - they pray to God.
When someone is lonely or afraid - they talk to God
It all comes down to this: God is simply an emotion one creates to deal with uncertainty. The human mind does not like leaving things at "I don't know." It's frustrating to try and come to terms that you literally do not know something. You can't guess, can't lean more to one side than the other - you just straight up do not know.
And how do you deal with that? You put God in it's place. Instead of not knowing you just say God is responsible.
Sounds pretty childish to me. Kind of like this story:
Easter Bunny Mother: "Claire, did you eat the cookies that I baked for your grandma??!!"
Easter Bunny Daughter: "No mommy, it was... it was... umm... it was Panda!!"
Easter Bunny Mother: "Your stuffed bear ate all of my cookies??!?!!"
Easter Bunny Daughter: "Yuuup, he sure did..."
See, geoff. Putting your faith and a name on your problems, accomplishments, or whatever in the name of God is nothing more than "childish."
creationism and christianity state that ONE being greater than the laws of nature or bound by our thoughts or math or laws or theories or even our timeline created everything.
I love how people need mountains of evidence to believe in evolution or any other scientific theory, but believe that some amazing entity created the earth in a week. Evidence for that? The bible said so. I believe that the earth spawned from one tiny drop of sweat from God's balls, what evidence do you have that that isn't true?
Anyone who is a creationist at this point is really just living in a fantasy world. Seriously.
For you to take the word or creationists and christianity as truth just proves how clueless you are when it comes to this topic. Mathematically you cannot prove God. Is it because he created it--thus, left it with an impossible equation, that if ever calculated could disprove his existence, right? Please, don't answer that.
The laws of nature? Haaaha, there are micro-organisms that don't get effected by the laws of nature (ex: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5594539.ece). The emptiness of space, countless, stars, galaxies, super novas, red giants... all those things are incomprehensible to our little minds. The laws of nature? What a joke.
I hope that you're only throwing out "guesses" here because if you truely believe all this then there's nothing I could ever learn from you.
He was the source, the cause, the Beggining. its funny how they state we can never truly know or comprehend whats inside a black hole yet people can immediately write off the notion that a supernatural entity created everything we see and know.
Do you even know what a black hole is?
Basically black holes do exist as we can empirically observe them, but the way they are proven in Special Relatively is debatable.
There is some aspect or element that is being left out of the equation that is causing it to be wrong. The whole dividing by zero thing. My thoughts are that since we are still discovering and observing new elements in space, such as dark matter, then there will be new ways to prove the existence of black holes that we see. Although we may need to redefine the term black hole to make it appropriate
Also-- just because we aren't quiet sure what is inside a black hole doesn't mean anything. A "supernatural entity creating everything we see and know" is just... just not even worth taking serious.
Schwarzschild metric - static, neutral
Reissner–Nordström metric - static, charged
Kerr metric - rotating, neutral
Kerr–Newman metric - rotating, charged
http://nrumiano.free.fr/Estars/int_bh2.html
Here are a few things that have to do with black holes. I've been reading up on them for a few months, but am still having a hard time understanding the whole concept.
Listen to this cosmologist's lecture at Richard Dawkins' youtube channel. If you haven't seen it then it will surely blow your mind: A Universe from Nothing watch it, and tell me what you think. It's very interesting if you want to learn a thing or two.
and that that being stands all alone and gave us instructions on how we are supposed to live and what not. Heck even a manufacturer gives and instruction manual when they make anything.
Intruction manual? You mean "natural instinct?"
The creation of the universe didn't need intructions nor will it ever. Things occur and evolve. No intructions needed.
There was a YouTube page called The Counter Weight 1 that had fantastic uncut interviews of Richard Dawkins from his documentary "The genius of Darwin." You can see uncut interviews of him and science teachers, creationist chemistry teachers, paleontologists, and biologists that have uncovered various species of our human cousins in Africa. Sadly though the account has been suspended.
I learned and got so much from those videos I can't even begin to describe it.
Did you know that the human infant is the only mammal that is born pre-mature? All other mammals can begin walking and integrate rather seamlessly into the community once being born. The human infant, however, is birthed quite early, and researchers, like the evolutionary biologist (in the documentary) discovered that the rapid enlargement of the human brain and subsequent enlargement of the skull made the birthing process nearly unsurvivable due to constraints of the birth canal. Over time though babies began to be born, and still are, with their skulls having not yet been formed.
Now, what this requires after birth is a tremendous amount of care from the mother. It requires almost all of her energy to raise the child, teach it, nurture it, feed it, etc. this had never before happened to mammals with such large brains.
It is thus thought, then, that this constant nurturing produced a community that was chiefly concerned and centered on both the mother and the newborn. This may have given rise to primitive but ever complex communities where language and communication was of paramount importance in order for the survival of the young and the child bearing. Evolution is just incredibly fascinating.
Intruction manual? Where has a manual ever been needed? Have any records of someone ever questioning how to inhale and breathe out ever been discovered? Geoff, I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am in your posts. They're comparable to a 7th graders' retorts.
my God is getting smaller and smaller? im sorry buddy but no other theory has lasted since the beggining of time. we keep learning and learning and coming up with new ideas and theories every day yet my God and the God of many still stands.
Yeah, it stands in the middle of a court being nothing more than a court jester--getting laughed at by the entire scientific community.
This has been 99% depressing & 1% entertaining. I seriously thought it would've really tested my knowledge. Sadly, I have been left blueballed. Haha, I'll continue though.
and where you getting your facts buddy? the Big Bang theory is no longer supported as it used to be. scientist's are actually getting closer to truth and " my God " as intelligent design and creationism are growing.
We could keep swordfighting with our cocks, but I for one believe in trying out theories instead of sitting back and eating Costco pizza... which was terrible, by the way, and listening to buffoons, so I went out to my backyard, and tried an experiment where I caught a snake, and tried having a conversation with it. I recorded the experiment, but unfortunately it ended in complete failure. I ended up looking like a sick, mentally retarded individual who was trying to talk to a garden-fucking-snake.
This has lead me to the conclusion that I need to find a new girl for my harem because it's obvious to me I am so bored I am actually responding to you.
Now... I am getting my facts from years of research and college professors. Where are you getting your "knowledge" from, Geoff? The bible?
Oh and ROFLMMFAO, scientists are getting closer to the truth--that is your God? As, wait for it... the intelligent design behind life?
Wow, dude... this has gotta be the worst argument that there's proof of a God, that I have ever read.
Evidence against one theory (in this case, according to you is the BB theory) is not evidence for an entirely unsubstantiated theory like a universe-creating superhero.
These are guys that have studied cosmology, and get paid to do this. What makes you think that they're simply just bullshitting?
Whereas I have gone to school for this, you have only been "reading" one book, that is claimed to be the word of God. YOU JUST ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH, YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED ANYTHING BUT THE BIBLE. See, that is funny. You're putting your faith (since that's all you have) on God.
We are not. If something doesn't sound right we question it.
remember, scientists and philosophers used to think the world was flat.
Um, no you silly goose.
Religious people did. They also (and for some odd reason still do) think that everything was created 6,000 years ago.
It's actually pretty funny, the idea of people worshiping a God who doesn't give a flying fuck about them. God is too cool for fucking school in that little scenario. He must wear sunglasses and file his God nails with his feet up on his God desk while Pat Robertson is praying the shit out of a prayer to him.
atleast with my belief i have had the opportunity to study MYSELF and make MY OWN conclusion on what i believe.
And what conclusions are those?
Oh yeah. God created everything, sees everything, listens to everybody, and if you pray to him with all your heart will listen and make you prayers come true. YOU CAME UP WITH THAT---ALL BY YOURSELF?!??! AMAZING!! I admire your drive, geoff. You make threads saying that God is all yet you resort to childish banters when we challenge you to prove this pile of horse shit. You cannot challenge common sense. You've made a thread wanting to create a God type of car club. Good luck, but If you want to make friends, why not take this crap to some pro-christian discussion board where you can all sniff each others christian butts and talk about saving mankind or whatever you want to do?
Get back to us when you have something intelligent we can discuss.
stop trying to seperate God and science. God uses science so we can have some kind of understanding of the world around us
Spectacular. Outstanding retort.
... wowww... can you worship something that actually requires worshipping? Like, the sun??!
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