LOL. Wow.
LOL. Wow.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I want a jesus parachute.
Originally Posted by geoff
everyone is entitled to there oppinions. as a christian its my job to bring the truth to you. its up to you then what you do with it. im just saying you cant say there is no God or christians are crazy if you yourself have yet to search.
You can find ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO FIND if you look for it. Remember that. If you want to find an albino bisexual quadraplegic midget hermaphrodite you can.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
so then if and when you search for God honestly.....you will find Him. right baby j?
You did right? But that still doesn't make Him real.My search lead me to where I am today... and that is w/ NO belief in God... and I am happy w/ that. I am also happy for every1 else that has found their way as well, including you. Cheerio.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
well thankyou. im sorry to hear that you ended up with the results you have now. sometimes you run into some people that go through the motions and unfortunately there are plenty of "christians" out there that will leave a bad reputation and are fake. i hope some day you find a sincere christian out there that would lead you to the truth.
I'm sorry that you have ended up where you are as well... I knew we had something in common. LOL
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
im very happy where i am. i came from partying and drinking and sleeping around and now i found God and can 100% say that i have never been happier.
Where was he at when you found him? I hear he's on his way back - but I've heard that for over 20 years. He must drive slow, is very far away, or made a few stops on the way.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
he was at a church when i found Him. a very nice church actually where people dont judge and are actually excited and happy when they see you and it not about money. they ask if you can give than do it if not then God bless you too. and the reason Jesus has not come back yet is for our own good, with so many different theories and theologies out there these days people dont know which way is up or down any more. the bible says its not His will that any should perish but all shall be saved. He keeps giving us chances. and the sad thing is that not many people will follow Him and after He comes thats it, no more chance. its sad and its not a game to gamble with. i would rather live like there is a God and die to find there was none than to live like there wasnt a God and die to find out there is. im definitely not the best example of what a true christian is supposed to be but i try and i know that one day i will be what God wants me to be. BABY J im sorry for whatever happened that caused you to not believe. i hope one day you try again and find that there is a God, that He loves you, and wants you with Him in eternity. God bless you bro
LOL - nothing "happened". I'm sorry that you think that something "happened" to get me where I am. I hope one day you try again and find that there is no God.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
i have tried to put logic into this religion thing. i will agree with alot of people and say that religion is whats wrong with the world today. we were meant to have one on one relationships with our creator but instead people twisted it. there is a God and i would lay down my life if asked or if i had to. there is no doubt in my mind that He is real and everytime i doubted He just reassured me that He is here
lolerz
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
I'm just going to be blunt and call you out on "partying, drinking, and sleeping around." Either:
A) It is not true or
B) What prison were you put in 2 years ago and did it actually work to get you eligible for parole?
Were you the guy reading scripture at the Sonic Meet?
Do you agree or disagree with other religions? Explain why.
no i did party and do all that stuff. it got to the point where i was an alcoholic and drank all day and partied all night. i couldnt get enough and i wanted more in my life than that. so i moved here to georgia and started going to church. no i wasnt the guy reading scriptures at sonic. i dont have the nerve to do that yet...wasnt ever too good at public speaking. and about other religions...i dont disagree or agree. im not gonna judge anyone. i know there is ONE God and we are all gonna have to answer to Him about our lives one day. He will decide what to do. maybe having faith in something will buy some slack maybe it wont im not sure. i know the bible says one God, one faith, one way into heaven and thats through Jesus Christ.
You mean "your bible". Of all the bibles you got THE right one, and serve THE right God. Damn you're good.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
How do you know there is ONE God? How do you know there is a God at all? How do you know the "right" book fell in your lap when you came to Georgia? Maybe because that is the only book that isn't looked down on?
Are my assumptions correct by saying Southern Baptist?
WOW!!! Congrats geoff! Isn't it a blessing how the Lord will pick us up out of the dirt, clean us, and set us on a firm foundation in Jesus!
I give all the praise to God for the things that he has done for those that believe in Him. And its true that even though you don't know him BABY J - He, being Jesus! Died for you because He loves you. He died for all of us, even while we were still in our sins. But thank God he didn't just die for some because even until you take your last breath, He has given you an oportunity to believe in Him.
I don't think things always happen to people to make their hearts hard against believing in God, sometimes were just comfortable in our Sin. BABY J - i think your just comfortable where your at. The bible "Our Bible" lol - says that "if you seek, you shall find Him" - sometimes we seek with our eyes and not with your hearts. If you seek with your eyes you'll only try to build evidence that He exists or doesn't. You must seek Jesus with your heart, then and only then will you find Him.
I respect what others believe and i'm not the type of Christian to force my belief onto anyone. Its freely given and should be freely taken - Thats why its called the "Gift" of Jesus Christ. No one has to force you to rec' a gift and He will not force you to believe in Him.
But, the truth is the truth!!! There is only one "Living God"!
Bottom line, BABY J - i respect you as a person (because we should all respect each other regardless of our beliefs) and i don't feel sorry for you because you have heard of Jesus and you have had a chance to believe in Him. I do pray that you will be saved and that everyones eyes will be opened before its too late and i say that in love and not to judge because i was once lost but now am found. So i guess you can put me in the group of "Lost and Found" Thank you Jesus!
Please elaborate on this, "I don't think things always happen to people to make their hearts hard against believing in God, sometimes were just comfortable in our Sin".WOW!!! Congrats geoff! Isn't it a blessing how the Lord will pick us up out of the dirt, clean us, and set us on a firm foundation in Jesus!
I give all the praise to God for the things that he has done for those that believe in Him. And its true that even though you don't know him BABY J - He, being Jesus! Died for you because He loves you. He died for all of us, even while we were still in our sins. But thank God he didn't just die for some because even until you take your last breath, He has given you an oportunity to believe in Him.
I don't think things always happen to people to make their hearts hard against believing in God, sometimes were just comfortable in our Sin. BABY J - i think your just comfortable where your at. The bible "Our Bible" lol - says that "if you seek, you shall find Him" - sometimes we seek with our eyes and not with your hearts. If you seek with your eyes you'll only try to build evidence that He exists or doesn't. You must seek Jesus with your heart, then and only then will you find Him.
I respect what others believe and i'm not the type of Christian to force my belief onto anyone. Its freely given and should be freely taken - Thats why its called the "Gift" of Jesus Christ. No one has to force you to rec' a gift and He will not force you to believe in Him.
But, the truth is the truth!!! There is only one "Living God"!
Bottom line, BABY J - i respect you as a person (because we should all respect each other regardless of our beliefs) and i don't feel sorry for you because you have heard of Jesus and you have had a chance to believe in Him. I do pray that you will be saved and that everyones eyes will be opened before its too late and i say that in love and not to judge because i was once lost but now am found. So i guess you can put me in the group of "Lost and Found" Thank you Jesus!
Quick question, once you are "saved" do you believe that can be taken back from you?
just out of curiosity...how much have you actually studied about the Bible...not how much you may have joked with friends or been beat over the head at home, but how much have you learned about the bible and how it was put together, when, where, who. Etc? I mean the history and the culture in its secular and religious nature.
How much have you tried to learn about the character of God? Even if you believe him to be mythology, what have you tried to learn about him without just hear say?
Most people read Dawkins or Hitchens and think they got it figured out, when even other atheists, and scientists call these men jokes and abominations to the name of science and atheism because they are obviously doing things with an atheists agenda and not a scientific one.
BABYJ:
I'm waiting for you to start a UFO/Alien thread...
I'm just saying that sometimes we always assume that people had a hard life, seen a lot of bad things happen around them, maybe lost a loved one and blamed it on God - and this turns them away from God or in other words / makes their heart hard.
But i believe that sometimes we just enjoy our sin and don't want to let it go..
We fill comfortable with the lives we live, not looking for anything else - just happy making up all the rules as we go..
Most people don't want anyone to tell them how to live there lives / watch the news and you'll see it all day -lol . Were told not to take this, not to fight back, not to speed, but most say - Whatever! unless the are caught!
Before i came to Jesus i was comfortable with my sin - No accountability (if i misspell just over look it, i'm at work! lol) I enjoyed that season for a minute because i thought that i could forfill all the desires and needs that i have "my self" but that got old real quick! I realized once i had a nice apt. at the time, a nice job, good money, sleeping with several girls, tricked out car - and able to do what ever i wanted without anyone telling me anything... I still felt unforfilled.. like life had to be more then this - and thats when my creator turned on my tracking device and it lead me to Jesus! Instantly i felt where i was suppose to be my whole life - Did that make everything else in my life perfect - Shoot No!!! Man, that sounded country! But, i still had problems in my life - actually more problems but when i allowed Jesus in my heart - it changed everything else.. I still have issues that i'm working on / not perfect / never will be - but i will tell you this - that i know He exists! Not because i can prove it too you, not because i'll scream it til i'm blue in the face, just because i know for myself! That satisfies me.. A christians job is to tell you about Jesus - not to make you believe in him / thats where we get lost sometimes. Man, I love the fact that everyone has their own beliefs - all i can do is tell you that Jesus is the light, the way, and the truth - in love and then leave it alone. You guys be cool!
And just to add something about the studing the history about the Church etc... The people of God are a hot mess - just like everyone else in the world but that doesn't make our God a bad God! Me personally i would prefer that someone believe in Jesus with no proof (and even Jesus said this to Thomas because he doubted unless Jesus would show him the whole in his side and hands) Because anyone can believe with all the evidence and proof, and even one day they will have all of this and still not believe. Bless us Lord!
I grew up in church, attending several different denomination's services and events regularly, my mother was a minister. I would say I've done a fair share of studying the bible.
Ironically none of what you are saying pertains to anything I asked, it appears to be more like a generic copy and paste to anyone that questions a Christians beliefs. I asked a few simple questions, not knowing who I am or what I believe, and people get defensive...interesting to say the least. I have never read either Dawkins or Hitchens so if you would like to make another attempt at your reply, go for it.
Last edited by speedminded; 06-23-2009 at 03:17 PM.
to answer a few of your questions speedminded, i am an apostolic penocostal. we live our lives as to what the apostles and jesus said, basically the new testament. second...how i know there is one god, well the easiest way to say it is this. if there was an a creator and he made everything from nothing and can give and take life away why would there need to be more than just Him? how i know there is a God at all? the only real "proof" i can offer without telling you just have faith is to look at humans as a species. why is it that with billions of different species we are the only ones with a true and real conscience? because we have a soul and God gave us the ability to choose between right and wrong. and i know its the "right book" because our God is the only one that is alive and still runs things, other religions and "books" talk of a god or gods that created the world but died or are dead. then you have the arguement of well i dont believe the bible cuz it was written by man and it got all twisted in translation...well we found the dead sea scrolls and that theory goes out the window. you also have prophecies and not the general it can be applied to any situation like nostradomus or the myans but very descriptive prophecy that has come true and is still coming true.
to elaborate on the comfortable in our sin thing. the bible says that sin keeps us from God. it binds His hands because He is pure and we are not. you get comfortable in your sin because you dont feel accountable to anyone. you figure that there is no judgement day and that you wont have to be liable for what you do in your life. and that mentality is what keeps us from truly finding God.
and finally, you asked that once your "saved" can it be taken back from you...NO!!! it cant be taken back from you but you can give it up. once your truly saved and make a commitment to God HE will help you with the Holy Spirit so you have stregnth to continue walking in the truth.but God will not force anything on you, if you choose that living a christian life is too hard or not worth it then its up to you to forfit salvation. we have free will and sometimes its a blessing and a curse.
are you kidding me
CRUDE BUT EFFECTIVE
Yes, it is intentionally a very generic set of questions, but no more generic than the ones you asked Geoff. I take no offense to your questions. My response was strictly for me to get to a place of where I will be able to understand you so i can follow this conversation you got going on. Read my comments again. There are no accusations only ground laid to explain why I was asking those questions to you.
I basically want to try to figure out if you are someone who has studied the bible, (not just the book for sunday school or bible study), but the secular history surrounding it) because I am curious as to where you are going to take the conversation.
I mentioned hitchens and dawkins as an examples used by people who "studied or study" the bible, but it only means, "im in church on sunday and wednesday, or I have casual conversations and I really only take what these people say to be truth because digging deep is a little more than I want." and I personally know several people who have parents in the ministry and attend church but don't really know or understand the concept of studying the bible as I would define it. Im trying to figure the characters out in this conversation...I kinda understand Baby J a bit from previous discussion. I feel Geoff has stated his perspective well, you are the only one I am trying to get a foundation on so I can at least have a relative discussion.
speedminded i wanted to say one more thing. you asked me before where my God was when i found Him. i invite you to come to my church one time and check it out. you said you grew up in church so it shouldnt be a big deal for you. and maybe then you will see where im coming from. and i dont believe i said this before but the reason i know that my God is real and that there is a God is cuz the Holy Spirit.
I will agree with geoff here, the right church can make all the difference. I grew up in one church and although I abided by the rules as a Kid, never really felt anything towards God. Drifted away from church, and on my own starting going to a different denomination of church down here in Macon. It is completely different and I love it. It seemed like at my old church you had some people there that were there to celebrate God and get to know him, but then some people that were there just for show (which in my opinion, I cant think of a better place they could be, so maybe they can get to know God). However at my new church, everyone just loves to celebrate God. Which is awesome.
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LMFAO @ the comments at the bottom of this article.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Baby J, all you are here for is to make fun of and get a kick out of bashing someone else's beliefs, instead of having a intelligent discussion.
^^ I'm sorry --- what's your name? I don't think we've met. I also think you mean "an" intelligent conversation. I've had plenty of those on here about this subject. Thank you.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Ohhh you got me. A typo on a internet forum. Wow i feel horrible.
It's okay. God forgives... and so do I. Carry on my brother.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Believe me, I've seen both ends of the spectrum when it comes to Churches and their members.
I've visited many churches, Free Chapel services where every one is just a number in the congregation with simply too many people. The church is a huge box and no matter how many people attend it still seems empty...empty of love and attention for others. Someone played a song from U2 and people were disgusted and appalled wanting to walk out because it was associated with a "rock band" they know nothing about. I guarantee you Bono has done more single handedly to improve the world than any of these 5,000+ member churches have. They act as a corporation, I would not even label them as a non-profit organization. This gets to me so much I'm going to make a new thread regarding Free Chapel.
I've seen countless feuding families in multiple southern baptist churches, most within their own families...the Bible is right everyone else is wrong yet they hold multiple outings so the two sides don't have to deal with each other. Yelling scriptures at the top of their lungs is not my idea of a peaceful way to get in touch with wherever you want to be.
Been to a Pentecostal or Holiness church, I love animals but speaking in tongue and snake handling is a little odd. The entire service/church is organized and based on a single scripture, "...they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them...". Isn't Mark where Jesus is depicted as an exorcist? The touching of hands on the foreheads and people falling over and shaking is, excuse my language, utter bullshit.
I grew up with a home-schooled family that started their own church because of all the non-sense associated with typical organizations. Out of the bunch they were the most caring and respected individuals I've ever met. I don't even know their denomination but honestly I don't think it matters. They know the difference between right and wrong and would give up anything to help others. Every action they did was in consideration for others. I'm not half the person they are.
I have not experienced alot about Catholicism. Partly because I don't believe a non-catholic is welcome in their services. I could be wrong though. The several catholics I do know treat the church as a dry erase board and go only to attend and wipe the board clean of sin to do it all again the next week. That's based solely on my limited experience.
I grew up in a Methodist church. Out of all the denominations I've been to they seem the most down to earth, caring, and logical. No fluff and very little drama within. That doesn't mean I agree with everything or even believe in it all. Just based on experience.
One of the most amazing things about the Bible is it can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways. Nobody can say they are more right than anyone else because it is all based on opinion. Anything you want to find, any situation you are going though, any issue at all can be found in that book. If a particular scripture helps you get through that moment then good for you. I think things in the book are taken way too literally though.
Several are really going to dislike me for saying this but people really need to stop worrying about where they are going to go when they die. It's like heaven is being treated as a reward for doing good instead of just doing good in the beginning. Someone shouldn't help the elderly women up the stairs or care for her pets because they know she is wealthy and may leave something for you in her will, it should be done because someone is in need. That's how I depict most peoples motives regarding churches and Christianity. They are forced upon the idea of heaven and hell.
I have faith in the principle of Christianity and religion in general. If you need the things I've mentioned in the paragraphs above in order to have a heart and be the person you should be then so be it. I've seen and been through tragic events that most will never experience in a life time, the first to come to aid were friends and fellow members of churches while the people that are hardcore religious fanatics are no where to be found. That says a lot.
Last edited by speedminded; 06-26-2009 at 12:41 PM.
I shortened your quote just for space.
Thanks for the insight into yourself
I think it is interesting, but the problems that you name are not unique to faith. You are naming problems with the human condition that exist inside EVERY institution in history.
speed minded i want to congradulate you. you have kept this discussion very civil. i too have seen some crazy things happen at churches and you are right about the arguing. its sad that we as people have turned such a beautiful thing into what it is today. God forgive us. i have gone through some really bad things too man and i didnt have family or anyone come to help me. thats when i just gave it to God man and He helped me. i believe in God because when i prayed in my room at night and poured my heart out He heard me. its like every single thing HE knew i needed and was going through He heard me and answered me. i have been seeing miracles happen in my own life that i cant possibly begin to explain. i dont believe in denominations. i believe there is one truth and way and that is through Jesus Christ. HE is the one that lived to die for us, He is the one that took the cross and paid the price for our sin. and He is the only one that we can have eternal life through.
for the point you made about why we do good things to get to heaven instead of just doing good cuz its right...the bible says that our good works will not get us into heaven. its grace alone that does that. but if you believe the christian way and try to be Christ like then good deeds are just natural. the bible calls these fruits of the spirit.
alot of people these days have turned christianity into a circus and do what they think is right and what pleases other people. thats why the bible says few will be saved.
God committed the preparation of His divinely inspired Word to finite man. The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is not God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen. Look at the different writers.
This is false
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
The Bible is its own interpreter. The truths of the Bible are like pearls hidden. They must be searched, dug out by painstaking efforts. Those who take only a surface view of the Scriptures, will, with their superficial knowledge, which they think is very deep, talk of the contradictions of the Bible, and question the authority of the Scriptures.
....the Ten Commandments were spoken by God Himself, and were written by His own hand. They are of divine, and not of human composition. But the Bible, with its God-given truths expressed in the language of men, presents a union of the divine and the human. Such a union existed in the nature of Christ, who was the Son of God and the Son of man. So it is true of the Bible, as it was of Christ, that the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. John 1:14
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