well if by "check your local currency" you wanted me to reply with something different than talking about currency, then my apologies.
well if by "check your local currency" you wanted me to reply with something different than talking about currency, then my apologies.
Damnit, I was looking for this. There was an essay written on the difference between "God" and "Natures God", and how the difference came about. There is a lot more to the beliefs that many of us hold today.Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
No apology needed, lol. I did kind of just throw it out there.
I completely Agree with Airmax and Suby_rue, we shouldn't force our beliefs on anyone.
I try not to force my beliefs, just voice them because;
Ezekiel 33:2
2Son of man, speak to your countrymen and say to them: 'When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman,3and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, 4then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the scord comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head. 5Since he heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning, his blood will be on his own head. if he had taken warning, he would have saved himself.6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.
God says "son of man" thats me, and so he is telling me to tell others about him, even if they don't listen. As much as i wish they did, thats on them now.
As far as the "condemning Christian" stereotype, thats not a christian that is walking in Gods Will. Example:
Matthew 8:11
11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "why does your teacher eat with tax collecttors and 'sinners'?" 12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
We as christians should be humble and merciful. Sometimes I think we get this superiority complex, but its so far from the truth. The Book of Romans says "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". We all screw up, we all make mistakes, we are all human. But the great news (which translates to 'the Gospel') is that God Loves us, all of us, more than we can comprehend. The Classic verse that most everyone knows, John 3:16 "For God so LOVED the world That he sent his only son, that who so ever believes in him, won't die, but have ever lasting Life. God did not send his son in to the world to condemn the world but that the world, through him might be saved".
Look, I'll be the first to admit, I don't know everything. I don't have all the answers. Honestly, I haven't even read the entire Bible, although most of it. But I do know that God Loves me, and that his plan is for me to prosper. I'm done debating because I feel like I've been pretty clear on how I feel and what I believe. But if anyone is interested in knowing anymore about this God thing and what its all about, PM me. I'll try my best to answer any questions and try to help you understand who God is.
God Bless, Guys
OH....MY.... LORD!!!!
WOW! What a statement.
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Now that's a cop out. How do you support that? You got proof? That's a large statement to be throwing around.
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Within all the forums I subscribe to, IA is by far has the most non-believers than as any forum that I have run across. My only reasoning I can figure is because there is such a HUGE membership of over 30000, larger than most any forum I have found, that it makes for a high concentration of non-believers.
Furthermore, I find it fascinating that the "non-beleivers" start threads like this all the time looking to start a large conversation about non-believers and Christians knowing it will bring some of the Christians out to defend their lord.
To me this sounds like the old stories of the non-believers attacking the believers because they just don't understand them.
I say leave everyone alone to believe what they want. Personally I don't really care if you beleive what I believe. I feel sorry for you that you don't believe in SOMETHING but nevertheless
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I was referring more to the second paragraph in the Dec. of Indep. That all people are created equal as endowed by our Creator.
Not saying that the Founders based on Christian principles per se, but they did base it on God, be it Nature God, God of the Jews, or any other God. I myself am Christian, but do I personally know if the Founders were Christians? No of course not, nor do I presume to know. Nevertheless, our Founders saw how important it was for us to have core values and a belief structure so that we as a people can govern ourselves in such a way that would not otherwise be detrimental to society and of our individuality.
Abe Lincoln was not one of our Founding Fathers.
It is obvious how you haven't read any of the founding documents. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to type such an idiotic statement. It appears that you are just spitting out what you have learned in your local college class.
Who would you consider to be the "major politicians" of the Revolution?
John Adams (Unitarian, protestant denomination),
Ben Franklin (Christian, shortly before he died he wrote his "creed" which can be found here: Franklin
Thomas Jefferson (Deist, believed in the existence of God by observations of his surroundings. While his thought process may have differed from the other Founders when it came to religion; they all agreed on one thing - freedom of religion. "I am a REAL Chrisitan Jefforson's Deism
Alexander Hamilton (Christian - as writer of 2/3ds of the Federalist Papers, he was the most prominent of the Founders. He wasn't shy about the Lord he served either. Hamiltons Faith
John Hancock (Unitarian as well, professing Christian)
Francis Lightfoot Lee (Angelican, professing Christian)
Those are the few i can name off the top of my head. Feel free to dig around and find a list of the 55 or so and look for yourself. Read letters between these guys - see for yourself man. When you say "this country was founded upon whatever..." exactly what does that mean? A "founding" is "to set up or create, especially with the interest of continued excellence." Well, their faith in a God and Christian Principles is obvious in our country's Constitution.
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Not a cop out at all. I wish I could get an accurate number for you, but the vatican hasnt released the numbers of people killed during the crusades, during the slaughtering of the Templar Knights, the Salem which trials, or the many conflicts in the middle east.Now that's a cop out. How do you support that? You got proof? That's a large statement to be throwing around.
Just in the last 8 years the US has suffered nearly 8000 deaths in the name of religion.
I'd agree that religion was used as a tool for warfare. We've seen it since the beginning of civilized man. But let's be honest here, men (aka we) have used religion as the tool, not religion itself. We go to war professing that its a Holy War or it's a war to cleanse the world of the wicked... truth be told, its as much as us going to war claiming we're going to war against the threat of weapons of mass destruction... Til this day, I don't think they've found any nuclear or biological weapons in Iraq, but yet it was a legitimate excuse at the time. Men have used their personal agendas to push these wars but in the name of something else. ALL wars can pretty much be linked to a difference in belief systems... be it religion, democracy, or any other form of imperialism.
I never said religion was the cause for killing, I said that they were killed in the name of religion. Whether or not it was legitimate is not the least bit important to my point.
Karl Marx said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and he was correct. Think of all of the conflicts in the middle east that are centered only on religion. That is only the current crop. Go back a thousand years and those conflicts are FAR more bloody.
Here's my few thoughts.
The government now and government way back in the days were two different things. there is human government and Jehovah's government. As time goes by things are gonna get much worse, but the devil want's to use the name of God to vandalize his name to make it harder for people to believe in him. But all i know is that if you seek him you will find him. If not you won't.
Just read the bible thoroughly and pray and try to put some of his commands to use, it's hard but not impossible, just have faith. As for churches and stuff, you just have to find out witch one is actually speaking the truth of the bible and not just trying to collect your money.
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LOL at people who say "God speaks to them". WOW - what a mind fuck.
God speaks to you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Do you REALLY think you are that special that "God" is going to take time out of his day to speak to you? Furthermore -- are that important that you have the "stuff" required to 'hear' from such a being? Your head would fucking exlplode.
This kinda thought is the VERY thing that pisses me off about bible thumpers. MAYBE "God" gave you a brain and common damn sense to figure shit out on your own so he doesn't HAVE to speak to you in that "very small voice". You're the type of person that says shit like "I'm not gonna worry about my mortgage... I'm just gonna turn it over to "God" -- he will fix it! LOL. I'll tell you what -- do that next month and tell me what happens. If there is a God, it's NOTHING like we see it presented in Christianity -- and he is looking down looking at the people who are praying for their neighbor thiking "WHAT THE FUCK!!? I've blessed you with more smarts and adaptability than any being on the planet, yet you ungrateful FUCKS are still looking up to me asking me for shit and really think I have time to help you think about your mortgage. YOU help your neighbor -- turn to EACH OTHER, NOT ME dorks."
So you had seizures and they stopped --- God MUST be good right? Well isn't that some selfish shit right there if I ever heard it. There are ALSO people who never had seizures and just MAGICALLY started having them and keeled over and died on the spot. There are ALSO kids getting pimped and raped in alleys asking for invisible help from "God" that never arrives. "God" is SOO good - let me tell you.
The bottom line is this --- you don't get what you want in life -- you don't even always get what you deserve - you get what you get.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
If you were talking about me talking to god, i never talk to god before. I said as long as you seek him you will find him. No need to get all worked up.
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All religion is retarded. Some more ludicrous than others. But the human mind is a very powerful tool. Sometimes the best medicine is positive thinking. Look it up, you'll get better just because you have the will to. Give yourself more credit. If you want to give all the glory to your imaginary friend then by all means go ahead. Have you even thought of Christianity at all. There is some magical devil that sits around thinking of bad shit to do to you all day. Yeah right. Who determines what is right and wrong? Moral and immoral? In the end, no matter what you think about your religion, I know just as much about the after life as you do. NOT A GOD DAMN THING!!!(Samual L. Jackson voice lol)
Religion to me is like a virus... When you are a child American Society plants seeds of fear in you to slowly turn you into a sheep. Do not question - Do not live; In God we trust and so shall you! OBEY!
It is astonishing the people religion still controls to this day.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
A-fucking-men.
And my rant above was the watered-down verison --- don't get me going FOR REAL. LOL
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Interesting you would say that because I tend to think that the opposite is true. Society plants into the minds of children the theories of evolution or the big bang but not religion or creationism. From there, its up the parents to how they want to bring up their kids on the home front. Even as a Christian myself, I think I know almost equal amounts of non-believers compared to Christians or believers of another faith. Atleast that is my personal observation.
Simply put, don't blame society for what your parents should or shouldn't have done. Nor should you blame your parents for what society taught or failed to teach you. Rather look in the mirror and find out where you've failed to show up, then you can analyze from there what needs to be done next.
Everyone has faith in something, the question is simply in what? Yourself? Education? God? Buddha? The Pope? Obama?... Everyone has faith.
I think it is becoming less/less christian specially in metropolitan areas, but i went to elementary/middle school in TN and it was far from open minded. evolution is taught b/c it is science; creation has no place in modern science teachings where it has been mentioned is nothing more than Religious Reich trying to control society. It is much like adding "one nation under God" to our pledge or "in God we trust" to our money. What ever happened to separation of church and state?
I have to say my family was lucky b/c my parents walked away from church a long time ago - they allowed us to explore what we thought was the right path for us, but in knowing that i still grew up seeing far more Christian injection than non Christian.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
Church and state are supposed to be seperate but unfortunately, our gov. fuks that up along with almost every other thing they attempt.
My mother, a christian, also allowed me freedom to think for myself and find my own beliefs and to live life with a truly open mind.
i think ppl that have faith in religion, whether it be any religion, are at the very least partially blind to the truth and to having the ability to look at things unbiased and outside the box. Most believers have been so conditioned that they're faith is right they completely ignore and dismiss any type of oposing point of view or idea. With that ignorant mindset how can one educate oneself and truly embark on a quest to educate oneself?
btw paul, I met you @ the audi meet, nice to start putting some faces with names.
^^^ Wow. Amazing. It's like you have a brain in your head and are like ... USING it to construct coherent thought. That's hot.
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