people have lost faith. this country was founded on christian beliefs, and now it's gone
people have lost faith. this country was founded on christian beliefs, and now it's gone
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Originally Posted by leobond001
i thought it was founded on freedom and pursuit of happiness?
most of the founding fathers were not christian, but deist. abe lincoln even rejected organized religion. that "founded on christian beliefs" is just a myth made up by people. it is true that a majority of people were christian, but the major politicians of the revolution were not christian.
Check your local currency......
you mean this local currency?
I do this to all my paper money.
that was put on the dollar bill in the late/middle 1950s.... america was not founded in the 1950s. it is an unconstitutional phrase when on something even as semi-federal as our money.
it was simply put there on order by a religious president to:
"In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail."
which is a load of bullshit. any sort of god does not allow the country to "prevail". A communist is better than a theocrat.
Communism in europe rose up from the extreme power and wealth of the church clergy and tsar (kings as you know, have power given by god).... so it only makes sense that priests and stuff would go away with communism in those times.
Man you beat me to all of it, glad to see some intelligent people around on these forums.you mean this local currency?
I do this to all my paper money.
that was put on the dollar bill in the late/middle 1950s.... america was not founded in the 1950s. it is an unconstitutional phrase when on something even as semi-federal as our money.
it was simply put there on order by a religious president to:
"In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail."
which is a load of bullshit. any sort of god does not allow the country to "prevail". A communist is better than a theocrat.
Communism in europe rose up from the extreme power and wealth of the church clergy and tsar (kings as you know, have power given by god).... so it only makes sense that priests and stuff would go away with communism in those times..
Wrong, it was put there as part of a joint resolution of the 84th Congress to certify "In God We Trust" as our national motto. That resolution, P.L. 84-140, was signed by the President on July 30, 1956.
Go back to before paper money though and "In God We Trust" has appeared on coinage, more specifically the 2cent coin, since 1864.
Damnit, I was looking for this. There was an essay written on the difference between "God" and "Natures God", and how the difference came about. There is a lot more to the beliefs that many of us hold today.
No apology needed, lol. I did kind of just throw it out there.
I was not disputing the basis of this country's founding. I was typing a huge post, but stopped b/c I thought this thread would fail. The Treaty of Tripoli states that the U.S. was NOT founded on Christianity. Thomas Jefferson wrote majority of the Declareation of Independance, and chose to use "God" but in reference to "natures god". By TJ reference "God" in any form in the constitution, he screwed this document and any more after that.you mean this local currency?
I do this to all my paper money.
that was put on the dollar bill in the late/middle 1950s.... america was not founded in the 1950s. it is an unconstitutional phrase when on something even as semi-federal as our money.
it was simply put there on order by a religious president to:
"In these days when imperialistic and materialistic Communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail."
which is a load of bullshit. any sort of god does not allow the country to "prevail". A communist is better than a theocrat.
Communism in europe rose up from the extreme power and wealth of the church clergy and tsar (kings as you know, have power given by god).... so it only makes sense that priests and stuff would go away with communism in those times.
The country went from Christian belief, to SOME adopting a deist belief of a supernatural "nature god", to the founders of the country rejecting Christianity in a country whose obvious dominant RELIGION was CHRISTIANITY. Now, tell me where anyone in this day and age can make light of this country's TRUE founding. The fence riding is sad in this country.
The U.S. was settled by Christians and has always had a Christian majority. The founding fathers were on the side of deism and Freemasonry beliefs (suspposedly). Now, if you know the history and clout of Freemasonry then you will understand where I am going. Rising up from arrest and forming a new view on life that STILL takes orthodox religious beliefs makes no sense. Being a deist is almost contradictory and assabackwards in its views. You don't believe in a "personal" god, yet you believe that some supernatural force (Natures god) created the earth and disappeared.
Bottom line, NO one on this earth can call the other crazy. 98% of religious kooks, diest, athiests, etc. do not know where their belief formed.......unless you just believe.
Like SUBY_RUE said, don't push your beliefs onto anyone. The finger pointing of people causes the uprising and conflict.
Edit: I do believe the idea that how a man chose to worship should remain only as his own personal business.
Last edited by AirMax95; 04-09-2009 at 11:59 AM.
I was referring more to the second paragraph in the Dec. of Indep. That all people are created equal as endowed by our Creator.
Not saying that the Founders based on Christian principles per se, but they did base it on God, be it Nature God, God of the Jews, or any other God. I myself am Christian, but do I personally know if the Founders were Christians? No of course not, nor do I presume to know. Nevertheless, our Founders saw how important it was for us to have core values and a belief structure so that we as a people can govern ourselves in such a way that would not otherwise be detrimental to society and of our individuality.
Abe Lincoln was not one of our Founding Fathers.
It is obvious how you haven't read any of the founding documents. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to type such an idiotic statement. It appears that you are just spitting out what you have learned in your local college class.
Who would you consider to be the "major politicians" of the Revolution?
John Adams (Unitarian, protestant denomination),
Ben Franklin (Christian, shortly before he died he wrote his "creed" which can be found here: Franklin
Thomas Jefferson (Deist, believed in the existence of God by observations of his surroundings. While his thought process may have differed from the other Founders when it came to religion; they all agreed on one thing - freedom of religion. "I am a REAL Chrisitan Jefforson's Deism
Alexander Hamilton (Christian - as writer of 2/3ds of the Federalist Papers, he was the most prominent of the Founders. He wasn't shy about the Lord he served either. Hamiltons Faith
John Hancock (Unitarian as well, professing Christian)
Francis Lightfoot Lee (Angelican, professing Christian)
Those are the few i can name off the top of my head. Feel free to dig around and find a list of the 55 or so and look for yourself. Read letters between these guys - see for yourself man. When you say "this country was founded upon whatever..." exactly what does that mean? A "founding" is "to set up or create, especially with the interest of continued excellence." Well, their faith in a God and Christian Principles is obvious in our country's Constitution.
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