I guess ill start it off, so where do you think...??

[sport_122]

darkprince10...

the problem with your statement is that it is an assumption that the spirit has no recollection and no memories. People who have "died" and been brought back and had "death or near death experiences" have all remembered and felt emotional connections. Some of them claim a sense of peace and some claim a sense of unrest and torment. So there is definitely more than just death.

I look at our situation (mankind) and it is obvious to me that there is something much much more than evolution (which I don't believe in) that makes us stand out.
Some of the simple facts about humans are:

We have the ability to destroy and to preserve life. With us it is given as a choice, not an instinct. Animals instinctively do things, dogs, cats, sharks, they live based off of instinct. A dog does not feel remorse for biting, nor do sharks decide that they would rather be plant eaters because they don't want to hurt other animals. I do believe we have instincts, but I also see that we are in a place that no other creature on this earth is in. There is something to that.

Also, lets look at evolution. The idea is that men all come from the same place. There are some problems with this theory.

1st. If one animal can evolve then we should also note that the same thing would be taking place in other species and groups in some sort of variation. This would mean that as we look around we would see other animals evolving to meet the "competition" for survival that men have become. We don't see this. In fact, we see animals like the shark who have come to a place where they are said to have not evolved for millions of years. They have not started to talk, they have not sprouted legs to get on land, they have simply remained the same. This places a big hole in the argument for evolution as a total category.

I do not believe that we come from monkeys because that would mean that they would have ceased to exist at some point because they would have been replaced by a stronger species.

Thats just the iceberg on the holes in the theory of evolution. Now I believe that people adapt, but I don't believe that the adaptation is a species changing thing, I believe its just like getting used to a new climate, or a new city. We adjust and we make due.

For those who think that we just die and that's it. There is an enormous amount of evidence to support the existence of paranormal activity. Spirits, ghosts, demons, whatever you want to call it, but the evidence is there. That evidence makes me stand pretty solid in a belief that there is much more to the world that what we see.

I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, and I believe that there is something powerful and penetrating that happened in the middle east 2 thousand years ago. I believe that even if you don't believe in the Bible as a person of Christian faith (notice I did not say religious person) that there is still a very large amount of evidence in historical documentation to support the history, the miraculous nature, and the moral usefulness (sadly bad and good) that exists in the pages of the Bible.

If you respond to this please PM me b/c I am not likely to come back here otherwise.

[zimabog]

1st. If one animal can evolve then we should also note that the same thing would be taking place in other species and groups in some sort of variation. This would mean that as we look around we would see other animals evolving to meet the "competition" for survival that men have become. We don't see this.

We do see evolution in other animals.

In fact, we see animals like the shark who have come to a place where they are said to have not evolved for millions of years.

They are already the kings of the ocean. But they do evolve, but very slowly.

I do not believe that we come from monkeys because that would mean that they would have ceased to exist at some point because they would have been replaced by a stronger species.

You are kind of correct here, most of the time old species die out because they are not competitive. But old species can still survive and live on. But in what you are talking about... Humans did not evolve from chimps or gorillas, but we do have a common ancestor at one point. They just evolved one direction and we went another. Humans did not branch off of modern primates; but many many years ago our ancestors came from the same branch.


Just getting things cleared up there.

[sport_122]

We do see evolution in other animals.
They are already the kings of the ocean. But they do evolve, but very slowly.

You are kind of correct here, most of the time old species die out because they are not competitive. But old species can still survive and live on. But in what you are talking about... Humans did not evolve from chimps or gorillas, but we do have a common ancestor at one point. They just evolved one direction and we went another. Humans did not branch off of modern primates; but many many years ago our ancestors came from the same branch.

Just getting things cleared up there.

thanks for PM'ing me.

The fossil record does not accurately depict the in between transitions for any species. That is fact. It shows that there have been numerous species of animals that have existed and are no longer around, but it does not accurately show that anything really evolved.

Science takes snapshots and makes a mosaic of time and attempts to make links when there is no evidence of a link. However there is evidence of similarities.

Another problem that hurts the idea of evolution is the origin of life itself. Some believe it was the perfect cocktail and a lightning strike. Some believe it was a comet (but this does not answer the origins of life question). Either way if it were that simple then we would have already conquered death and disproved the existence of souls.

We cannot revive a person who has been dead for a certain amount of time. we cannot take the elements of life and put them in a jar and strike them with lightning and watch bacteria form. There is just no way around it. If life was stated this way then we would have duplicated this a long time ago.

Evolution leads you to believe that life is just an ever molding thing that is working its way into some sort of nirvana state. The problem is that in order make a claim for evolution you have to also make a claim for origins of life.

A person who dies of a heart attack would get a new heart and get shocked and pick right up where they left off. This doesn't happen because there is MUCH more to life than the idea of big bang, a lightning bolt and then natural selection.

[ahabion]

We do see evolution in other animals.

I think Sport was talking in the context that No animal has evolved to surpass the new predator of the day: Humans. Given how many thousands of millions of years, we have yet to see another animal species surpass the ingenuity of humans. The closests we've observed so far is gorillas using a twig to get some termites.