144,000 going to heaven...

[ISAtlanta300]

hold on... i'm only staying w/ you b/c you wanted to use something as an example... granted its not a good one, but whatever... you have to remember the diffrence here. i throw a car show and it cost 1 million dollars, who cars, it has nothing to do w/ religion, i spend how i see fit.. the point though is if i spend 1 million on a facility w/ stained glass windows, scriptures on the wall, life size crosses, etc... what is the point of that/??? that is excess, the message is the same in someones home as it is in a multimillion dollar facility.

its like buying Air Jordans, they don't make you play like Jordan

And if a church has a sermon do you have any idea what it costs? And you are talking about churches with streets of gold. I know my church does not have stained glass windows with ivory altars and stuff. It is a plain and simple structure. It was constructed mainly by volunteers. However, there IS upkeep associated with it. And upkeep = money.

And who cares if you spend 1 million dollars on a car show? Obviously you care if a church spend 1 million dollar on a building... so there I was trying to make you see that you want it one way, but do not want it the other. Like YOU can spend a million dollar on a car show and it is justified. But a church spending a million dollars through donations. oh NO that is WRONG !! Money is better off given to you for your "car show" right?

[ISAtlanta300]

Gluttony is a sin. No one goes to car shows to worship God.

Back at ya. 1 million on a car show is "gluttony" in my book.

And dressing up cars is "vanity" another sin...

[ISAtlanta300]

the message is the same in someones home as it is in a multimillion dollar facility.

LOL next church gathering at your house.. make sure your driveway can hold hundreds of cars and make sure your livingroom has hundreds of seats..

[PSINXS]

Jehovah's witness believe that 144,000 are going to heaven... so my question is why are you going door to door trying to convert new brother/sisters??? that is killing your chances to get into heaven. And if you take into account that the witness religion isn't even 100 years old, what if we are around for another 500 years before armagedon? your chances are getting slim

the great crowd remains on earth. and they do not try to convert. they are out informing. nobody asks you become a jehovahs witness now!! they offer bible studies IF u want to learn more. There are 144k anointed that will go to heaven while the rest remain on earth in paradise. Read revelation. I can get my bible n pull up a few scriptures. My parents are witnesses.

and jehovah witnesses are christians. they believe in christ, god, and the bible. their aim is not to go to heaven.

[Julio]

I can imagine it now... the 144 k peeps laughing from the star wars world at the left overs jehova witness folks..... Bhewhahahah

[Julio]

Money is better off given to you for your "car show" right?

Why should he spend it on a church?

[Ncturnal]

Jehovah's witness believe that 144,000 are going to heaven... so my question is why are you going door to door trying to convert new brother/sisters??? that is killing your chances to get into heaven. And if you take into account that the witness religion isn't even 100 years old, what if we are around for another 500 years before armagedon? your chances are getting slim

Their belief is based on the book of Revalation that states that the number brought up to Heaven is 144,000. I forget the exact verses because it's been a really long time. They believe God's initial will as stated in the book of Genesis to "subdue the earth and inhabit it" will still be fullfilled. They are not trying to get into Heaven because they believe they are destined to live on and inhabit the Earth after Armageddon, except for the 144,000, who according to them "know" who they are. This of course contends that you believe in the Bible. I have to give them credit though, at least they have actually read the book they claim to have faith in, which is more than I can say for the majority of organized Christian religions.

[Ncturnal]

:jerkit:

When you're ready to compare paystubs farm boy, let me know.

[Ncturnal]

LoL..that has to be dumbest thing you have posted. When did you go out and poll the religious affiliation of every volunteer? I didn't know that the Red Cross and the Salvation Army inquired about your religious devotion. I know plenty of agnostic/atheists that volunteer time and money to worthy causes, including me. I think you're better off in "heaven" than on this planet...LoL.

Useless factoid: did you know that the Salvation Army is actually a religion?

[Ncturnal]

jamie your still twisting my words to suit your comments... re read the post... he posted what they spend money, i merely asked a question of how you turning it into me making a statement. you are reading way to much into what i said. your smarter than this i would think you would see that.

obviously life isn't free and things cost money... but why is it that you need a million dollar facilities to worship. i'm sure jesus lived in a palace.... com'on jamie your in the mortgage business, you know the cost of land/building... your trying to tell me some of the churches in the metro area need the facilities they have built? i know churches w/ clubs in them w/ 75k audio setups, with cafes, gyms bigger than your local schools, etc... that is not excess???

seriously some of you are way more closed minded than i thought, you are quite blinded by your faith. thats cool if you want to believe whatever i don't down you for it, but don't act stupid, you and i both know religion is a multi billion dollar business if it wasn't we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Another useless factoid: Did you know that the Catholic church is the largest land-owner in the world?

I have to agree...religion=big business in many cases.

[Jaimecbr900]

I'll compare stubs if you want to get all cocky about it. I'd expect better behavior out of a so-called Christian.

I'd expect a grown man to be able to read too, but obviously that didn't work with you now did it? I was talking to farm boy, not you. If you'd like to be included in with farm boy, let me know.

[Ncturnal]

I'd expect a grown man to be able to read too, but obviously that didn't work with you now did it? I was talking to farm boy, not you. If you'd like to be included in with farm boy, let me know.

***edit - better left unsaid ***

[Jaimecbr900]

You may have been talking to him, but I was talking to you, Choirboy. You preach your stupid fucking bullshit all the time here; how about you start practicing some of it? You fucking hypocrite. Holier than thou assholes like you are why I think all you religious fucks can suck my dick. :jerkit:

You seem to have forgotten that I know you Brian. Speaking of *edited for content*....you shake my hand when I talk to you at the shop and now this? *edited for content*

You don't want to listen to what I "preach" (according to you) here?....That's what the "log out" button of your browser is for. You don't have to like it, listen to it, or even let it bother you. If you do, it's your choice *edit*.

[Ncturnal]

You have the same options as well. If you want to preach on one hand, and berate people on the other, then expect the BS flag to be raised. You're not helping your cause by being a dick to people. ****edit*** If you want to win people over to your way of thinking, maybe you should reevaluate your approach. Right now, your doing more to turn people away from your way of thinking. If you're going to preach it, you should live it too, otherwise you're just helping to perpetuate the bad name religion already has. Also, If you acted the same way in person, I wouldn't be shaking your hand.

[Jaimecbr900]

You have the same options as well. If you want to preach on one hand, and berate people on the other, then expect the BS flag to be raised. You're not helping your cause by being a dick to people. The "sucking my dick" reference is a figure of speach, and you know that. If you want to win people over to your way of thinking, maybe you should reevaluate your approach. Right now, your doing more to turn people away from your way of thinking. If you're going to preach it, you should live it too.

You are the only person to ever say that I was "preaching" anything. I'm opinionated. Does that make me a "preacher"? Maybe in your book, but not in mine. I've never looked down my nose at anyone, except for one person on this entire board that I truly don't like. That doesn't mean that I'm also going to sit here and let you or anyone else blast me w/o a rebuttal either. I deal with people the exact same way they deal with me. Ask anyone. If you come at me sideways, well then I return the kindness. If you come at me straight, I do the same. That's far from being a hypocrite like you called me, it's actually being the opposite.

You are the first and only person I've ever heard of that says that a comment such as "____ can suck my dick..." is a "figure of speech". If you didn't mean that, then say you didn't mean that, but don't say it's a "figure of speech" because we both know it isn't.

BTW, I don't come into these discussions looking for followers, friends, or converts. I voice my opinion and that's it. Some people agree, a lot don't. Such is life. I still consider many people, even those that disagree strongly with me, my friends. The only prerequisite of being a friend in my book is respect, not aggreance. I respect their views, even if they are not the same as mine. But if you disrespect someone, then it's a completely different ball game IMO.

So, if you think I somehow disrespected YOU, let me know and we'll see about that. If I didn't, then you were out of line for coming at me sideways like that.

[Ncturnal]

Fair enough, you're right there. I'm opnionated myself. My apologies for the comment. Post editted.

[Jaimecbr900]

Fair enough, you're right there. I'm opnionated myself. My apologies for the comment. Post editted.

Apology accepted.

My post was edited as well.

[Julio]

man screw all religions. shit is wack....

On the other hand I always wanted to own a Strip club wich design reminds people of a church.

Church and Strips club are in the same business... making money.

[NewGen33]

The 144,000 people are the ones who will be preaching during the tribulation period.

[Kevykev]

Church and Faith can be two different things!

Faith is in your heart.

Try not to base religion solely on the business that a church can be.

[C22H19N3O4]

man screw all religions. shit is wack....

On the other hand I always wanted to own a Strip club wich design reminds people of a church.

Church and Strips club are in the same business... making money.

Julio, were you serious about your uncle? :confused:

[C22H19N3O4]

Useless factoid: did you know that the Salvation Army is actually a religion?

Please elaborate. I know they have some sort of religious affiliation as most charitable organizations, but that does not play a role in the eligibility of volunteers.

[Ncturnal]

Please elaborate. I know they have some sort of religious affiliation as most charitable organizations, but that does not play a role in the eligibility of volunteers.

Ya, they seem to do a good job of keeping volunteering seperate. I read about it a while back. I just Googled and got this page. http://religiousmovements.lib.virgin...ationarmy.html

[Jaimecbr900]

Church and Faith can be two different things!

Faith is in your heart.

Try not to base religion solely on the business that a church can be.

Very well said Kev. Good job.