144,000 going to heaven...
Jehovah's witness believe that 144,000 are going to heaven... so my question is why are you going door to door trying to convert new brother/sisters??? that is killing your chances to get into heaven. And if you take into account that the witness religion isn't even 100 years old, what if we are around for another 500 years before armagedon? your chances are getting slim
^dang, i didn't know that. they probably are getting worried.
GREAT QUESTION!!!!!
Perhaps they will establish some sort of lottery...LoL. I make fun of Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, and Mormons on a daily basis. Look how young the LDS church is..LoL. BYU did a study stating that Utah is losing a huge number of people of the Mormon faith to other religions. Like I stated before, every religion has their own rules you have to play by. Everyone has a different "Bible" they want you to read. Religion is a business. The church provides a service for a monetary fee.
P.S. I wonder why Killer stole my sig pic (posted in the test section) and is using it for his avatar? LoL..it's ok. b/c I don't he realizes it was meant to be derogatory.
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Only someone like you would derive sick pleasure from something like that.Originally Posted by pharm_teg
The truly ironic thing is that Jesus died even for people like you.
JESUS LOVE U ENOUGH TO DIE FOR YOU AND PROVED IT BUT THERE ARE PPL THAT STILL DNT BELIVEV AND BRUSH THE BIBLE OFF AS A FARYTAIL. SAD BUT WHAT ARE U GONNA DO.
you can lead a horse to water but it doesn't mean it will drink.
I WASNT SAYING U HAD TO BELIVE JUST BC SOMEBODY TELLS U SOMETHING BC I ALWAYS FIND OUT FOR MYSELF JUST LIKE I RECCOMEND EVERYBODY ELSE DO. IM SAYING Y ASK IF ALL UR GONNA DO IS BE LIKE YEAH RIHT THATS LUCK OR I DNT BELIVE THAT OR NO WAY.
Oh believe me.... that quote is circumstancial..... Let me lead your horse through a desert for 2 weeks without water and I ASSURE you that it WILL drink...)))))
wha? wha?? thought so... LOL
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
LoL...I don't ever remember asking him to die for me. Furthermore, provide some evidence that he existed and died for anyone. Odd that the New Testament was written HUNDREDS of YEARS after Jesus allegedly existed. Jesus/God/Holy Spirit were concocted just like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Howie Mandell. I'm sure many of us have had every religious discussion possible over the years, but one thing never changes....the evidence. You want to prove that Jesus and God are real, so the burden of proof lies your shoulders, but I'm sure you don't want to prove anything to us. I guess the hours you spend on Google cutting and pasting was just for the hell of it. As long as you "holy rollers" pay every week, your place in the Kingdom of Heaven will be reserved. Does God have lay away? You put all your faith in some god, so you can justify your shitty existence has a decent human being. Perhaps you beat your wife and kids...maybe you drink too much? Maybe you've committed adultery...more than once. But hey! I'm going to church Sunday and I'm going to slip God a few bucks and everything will be alright! Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy found God while on deathrow. When you see them in heaven perhaps you guys can reminisce about the good ol' days.
Um. Whoa!Very organized thoughts. I like that.
WHERE DID U GET THAT INFO FROM?
Nobody did. Difference is some people appreciate it, while others like yourself waste it. Your cross to bear.
Furthermore, provide some evidence that he existed and died for anyone. Odd that the New Testament was written HUNDREDS of YEARS after Jesus allegedly existed. Jesus/God/Holy Spirit were concocted just like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Howie Mandell. I'm sure many of us have had every religious discussion possible over the years, but one thing never changes....the evidence. You want to prove that Jesus and God are real, so the burden of proof lies your shoulders, but I'm sure you don't want to prove anything to us. I guess the hours you spend on Google cutting and pasting was just for the hell of it.
You need to read the other 15 threads on this very subject in this very forum. We have been intelligently debating this very subject for quite a while.
BTW, what "proof" do you have that he DOESN'T exist???? It's a rhetorical question BTW because I already know the answer.
People like you will never have any "proof" that satisfies you because you are looking for it with your eyes closed. You are trying to look for the smoking gun 2000 years after it was fired.
Perhaps maybe when you are making that $100k right after you graduate from college you should invest in opening up your own "church of the truth according to farm boy" since you are so wise and it's such a "business". But wait, that would involve management and financial where-with-all which if memory serves me correct YOU said was worthless courses of studies so I guess YOU wouldn't have that.....As long as you "holy rollers" pay every week, your place in the Kingdom of Heaven will be reserved. Does God have lay away? You put all your faith in some god, so you can justify your shitty existence has a decent human being. Perhaps you beat your wife and kids...maybe you drink too much? Maybe you've committed adultery...more than once. But hey! I'm going to church Sunday and I'm going to slip God a few bucks and everything will be alright! Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy found God while on deathrow. When you see them in heaven perhaps you guys can reminisce about the good ol' days.
Call me a "holly roller" all you want. Think that going to church is about the offering plate and not about cleansing your soul. Think that you have all the answers when you don't even know the questions yet. Think that you are so much smarter than billions of people that truly have believed over the last 2000 yrs, all of which obviously were too stupid to figure out that it was all a great lie orchestrated by priests to line their pockets and molest kids. Once again, you've proven that someone with so much potential can still miss the forest for the trees.
What's funny is that aethiests must think they're pretty dumb. Why??? Because single cell organisms w/o a brain are smarter than they are since they supposedly created LIFE and we as measly humans have never been able to duplicate that feat. Go figure.
LMAO....again for some reason you THINK your opinions and uneducated views are fact. I've mentioned this before so I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to keep doing it. You sound like the typical wife beating, alcoholic Christian who as no other choice but to believe, b/c if you don't your entire life would have been a waste. You've been suckered into something you haven't actually seen or felt physically. Much like your pseudo college degree. Hey Santa has been around for a few hundred years why not worship him? All you do is cut and paste articles from other sites and for some reason feel like you've shed some light on religion. Your rants are along the same lines as every other religious zealout. You ask where's our proof he doesn't exist, but you have none to validate your claims. I've been reading the threads for the past couple of weeks and you've posted NOTHING that most people haven't already mulled over. Try posting something original and thought-provoking instead of this meaningless drivel you call sentences. Also, try and lay off Google for all you one-stop religious quetions. Let's put that college degree to good use...LoL.Nobody did. Difference is some people appreciate it, while others like yourself waste it. Your cross to bear.
You need to read the other 15 threads on this very subject in this very forum. We have been intelligently debating this very subject for quite a while.
BTW, what "proof" do you have that he DOESN'T exist???? It's a rhetorical question BTW because I already know the answer.
People like you will never have any "proof" that satisfies you because you are looking for it with your eyes closed. You are trying to look for the smoking gun 2000 years after it was fired.
Perhaps maybe when you are making that $100k right after you graduate from college you should invest in opening up your own "church of the truth according to farm boy" since you are so wise and it's such a "business". But wait, that would involve management and financial where-with-all which if memory serves me correct YOU said was worthless courses of studies so I guess YOU wouldn't have that.....
Call me a "holly roller" all you want. Think that going to church is about the offering plate and not about cleansing your soul. Think that you have all the answers when you don't even know the questions yet. Think that you are so much smarter than billions of people that truly have believed over the last 2000 yrs, all of which obviously were too stupid to figure out that it was all a great lie orchestrated by priests to line their pockets and molest kids. Once again, you've proven that someone with so much potential can still miss the forest for the trees.
What's funny is that aethiests must think they're pretty dumb. Why??? Because single cell organisms w/o a brain are smarter than they are since they supposedly created LIFE and we as measly humans have never been able to duplicate that feat. Go figure.
lol i was planning on bringing that up but i figured why even let him know, its funnier this way
i got one for you on the same lines.....
WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS?
A SHITTY WAY TO SPEND EASTER
and before you people get all over me... it was a jokelighten up
Some things are just not funny Paul.
"you can't life to seriously you'll never get out alive"
well the thing is i've seen plenty of christian t shirts with this on it... and how many other religions have a Savior that would do anything like this for them.... So i'm gonna leave it... and i didn't get that from this site either.... a fellow christian showed it to me... so look at it however you want....
normally that avatar is associated much like this one \/
Hey whatever helps you sleep at night. You have Jesus pics and I have Ambien. I have new sig now.
My grandmother is a Jehova's Witness. I'll have to ask her that.
I would guess that part of the criteria for a Witness to get into heaven within those 144K is to actually do that kind of work. Not sure, but it would only make sense.
I'll ask her though.
^ well there is a huge difference in my avatar and that. Mine has more than one meaning... another christian would find my avatar to be the truth.. the one you have simply makes fun of Jesus.
Pharm_teg.....
NOT ALL CHURCHES ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!! I'm so tired of everyone always throwin up the money card... yeah churches take up offering how else could they be established... or have money to send the youth on church events, or buy the needy food and clothing. I'VE GOT PROOF MY SAVIOR LIVED AND DIED FOR ME! you just won't accept it as proof. and since your so close minded you won't even think about stepping into a church. so when you've been to every Christian Church in the world and find out some proof of your own... then you can tell me if the christian church is all about money or not.. untill then DROP IT! Jamie your right... it's absolutely crazy that Jesus died for all of man kind and there sins yet some people won't even acknowledge His existance...
Very organized thought... I like that...
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
ditto.Very organized thought... I like that...
seriously you want to discuss money and the church??? i would love to see the church you go to... i'm sure the millions that were spent on the land/building could of been well put to use else where. and i like how you stated $$$ used for youth events for church members... what good is your 10% if your not helping anyone but yourselfs. why do you need to get any money at all, its a tax free org anyway. you need multi million dollar facilities to conduct worship??? please explain how haveing gyms, sounds systems, etc. are needed in church???
Where could it have been better spent? Donating it all to people that like farm boy only think its funny to make fun of Jesus? Using that theory, why spend millions to build new schools then? Num nuts that don't go to school would say that's a waste too because THEY aren't using it, huh?
What you should be looking at is how much money the church gets from YOUR POCKET and how much it puts out w/o a single dime from YOU. It doesn't receive money FROM the gov't to sustain itself and pay it's bills. Can you say that about big companies who receive subsidies to survive and even line their own pockets???
People and companies CHARGE churches for their services. Water, power, gas, food, repairs, child care, etc. Where do you suppose that money should come from? The gov't? It doesn't. It comes from MY pocket, which I gladly and VOLUNTARILY give in order to support that which supports me. Where do you think the money to buy food for soup kitchens and donations comes from??? Again, members like me that feel that's money well spent.
To be honest, I don't see any of the aethiest going down and serving at a soup kitchen or donation thousands to help their neighbor or volunteering their time to teach to disadvantaged children. So until you do......don't mock those that do.
and i like how you stated $$$ used for youth events for church members... what good is your 10% if your not helping anyone but yourselfs. why do you need to get any money at all, its a tax free org anyway. you need multi million dollar facilities to conduct worship??? please explain how haveing gyms, sounds systems, etc. are needed in church???
If you have 1000 people that WANT to visit your church, how would you propose to be able to do that? In a mall parking lot? Having people relay what the speaker is saying upfront all the way to the people in the back?
We needed loudspeakers and a mic to call out raffle tickets at a car show that had less than 100 people standing around waiting to look at their tickets. Why is that "necessary", yet a permanent place to worship need to be primitive? To hear you tell it, we should all have tent churches and donate all the money to non-appreciative people.
Reality is that a church is a permanent place for people to worship. Permanent means it has to built with rocks and wood. If it's a 100 square foot shack or a 10,000 square foot auditorium, it doesn't matter as long as the right message is given.
BTW, if a church is not entitled to any modern luxuries, then why do you drive a turbo car instead of a horse and buggy????
Ummm... I do! Not sure if I'm athiest or not, but I do a ton for the community. I always have. More than what I listed above....including going to the soup kitchens to serve the homeless during Christmas or Thanksgiving. I taught the eldery how to read at my Grandma's job at a nursing home. I actually went to college (which I didn't finish, but I will someday) to teach special ed. I have 1 semester left and I can be a substitute teacher.....(imagine that). I think I'm going to go tomorrow to volunteer to help the Ludacris foundation clean up the apartments for the hurricane victims. If you ever want to volunteer with me, give me a shout. I'm serious. Not just being spiteful.
I would be very glad to come out and help you anytime you'd like. You've got my number. Give me a call whenever you need extra hands. Seriously.
BTW, my previous comments were not directed towards you.
thats pretty cool tracy. as a matter fo fact my mom teaches special ed. she wanted to be a lawyer but thats another lng story.
LoL..that has to be dumbest thing you have posted. When did you go out and poll the religious affiliation of every volunteer? I didn't know that the Red Cross and the Salvation Army inquired about your religious devotion. I know plenty of agnostic/atheists that volunteer time and money to worthy causes, including me. I think you're better off in "heaven" than on this planet...LoL.
Hey genius....I was referring to people in the thread that were implying that churches do nothing for anyone else.
You quote me out of context and you think you got me......try again.
Useless factoid: did you know that the Salvation Army is actually a religion?
Last edited by Ncturnal; 09-22-2005 at 12:39 AM.
Go back and read the post. Where did it state that ALL churches were about money. People form opinions based on first hand experiences, and most people have faced the money hungry congregtations. I don't know too many people that go to a small church with a bell hanging over it like God's left nut ringing away to gather all the faithful. This isn't Little House on the Prairie. Furthermore, don't assume you know what my past religious history holds. Everything you mentioned can be turned around on you. You haven't been to every church, so who are you to say religion isn't about money? You have proof Jesus died for you? Wow!! You have a polaroid? You have some DNA to prove he existed? Maybe Jesus has a blog where he lists all his favorite followers? BTW, I'm not close minded. Show me some evidence and I'll jump on the Jesus Train to Heaven.
You come to church with me and you'll have proof to all the following.... i don't have to go to every church to know it's not about money... i have to go to one.... that lets me know not all are about money... i've got a body full of blood that'll prove it.... Church is what you make it... if you go not expecting anything but to see money hungry people than that's what you'll look for... If you go truly expecting to be with God, that's what you'll get.
I've been to church many times. It just made me more confused. I went to church with my friends when I was younger. Heck, I even went to a private school for a partial year (until I got kicked out for fighting). Every church I went to said something different. It just seems to be lacking in the consistancy dept.
all churches are gonna be teaching a bit differently... it all goes towards the same point though. And have you tried staying with one church for a bit more consistancy????
Why should I? It is what it is according to you. "The bible explains it all." It shouldn't matter which church I go to. If it is what it is, it should be cut and dry. There should be no room for differences in the things that are taught (not the way that they are taught).
The main point is that I am a good person. I don't believe in killing, adultury, stealing, lying or any of that crap. That's not to say that I don't "sin" just like everyone else. I'm a little confused about God, but I think he will understand.
i never said you had to go... u asked.... and your right it's all in the bible... so believe what the bible says and ur set.
the differences come in because just like on this site everyone has there own opinion and views... that's why there are so many different denominations. i don't know which is right and which is wrong... i've chosen a church to stick with, but i consider myself to be non denominational.
I hate this! It makes me so confused. I mean, I want to believe that we got here some how...it's just crazy. It seems like the facts would be the facts and that's it. No room for margin or error or interpretation. Was the person that rewrote the Bible blessed by God or did he just take it upon himself to do it?
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