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  1. 09-09-2005, 12:27 PM #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    Paul, you didn't answer my question.

    What do you base your opinion on that there was a "heaven" BEFORE Christianity?
    well considering the bible wasn't in exsistance till AD and Christianity for that matter. we already discussed and confirmed that christianity wasn't even seen as a religion untill about 250+AD... well there have be people on earth way longer than that, way longer than christ, so heaven did come before christianity.

    you guys need to open your mind a bit out of the millions of people in the world not everyone is christian, some religions today date back to before christ that have "heaven".
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    well considering the bible wasn't in exsistance till AD and Christianity for that matter. we already discussed and confirmed that christianity wasn't even seen as a religion untill about 250+AD... well there have be people on earth way longer than that, way longer than christ, so heaven did come before christianity.

    I follow all that, but what I don't have is what info are you using to arrive at the conclusion of, "people were here before Christianity, so therefore "heaven" came before Christianity..." Are you summizing that since people believed in an "afterlife" before that meant they believed in a "heaven"????


    you guys need to open your mind a bit out of the millions of people in the world not everyone is christian, some religions today date back to before christ that have "heaven".

    Which one(s)?

    Remember, believing in an "afterlife" or "reincarnation" is not automatically saying they believe in "heaven" per se.

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    Yes but "Paul".... "GOD" did not become true just because the bible was written.. he was ALWAYS there !! Since the beginning of time !!

    It is not that when the bible was written all of a sudden "Heaven" and "God" magically started to appear... He was always there. Way before people STARTED to write about it.

    Therefore, IF you believe in the bible.. or actually to put it more clearly, IF you believe in "GOD" then you do believe in "HIS" heaven...

    And therefore, "ACCORDING" to the bible, the "Idea" of Heaven.. a heaven with GOD, came frome Christianity.. as it was the same God that created Adam and Eve and everything in the beginning...
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    heaven is an idea (a concieved place for the dead), another word for the afterlife... this term has been around before christianity... just like there are many different names for GOD or the Devil, it isn't that tuff to grasp.

    See what your trying to state is that... people exsisted for 1000's for years w/o mention of GOD, then christianity came along and spelled out Jesus, GOD, & Heaven...
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    heaven is an idea (a concieved place for the dead), another word for the afterlife... this term has been around before christianity... just like there are many different names for GOD or the Devil, it isn't that tuff to grasp.
    Remember that not all afterlife= heaven. Some religions believe, as the Egyptians did, that afterlife meant reincarnation which is not heaven. So just believing that "something" is going to happen after you die doesn't automatically mean they believed that something was heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    See what your trying to state is that... people exsisted for 1000's for years w/o mention of GOD, then christianity came along and spelled out Jesus, GOD, & Heaven...
    No, what I am trying to say is that God was there BEFORE it was written about Him. But He was there. Adam and Eve did not write about him. But that does not mean he was not there in the beginning. They talked to him and stuff...
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    humans were created to worship God,
    I dont buy that shit in the least, Im not here to worship anyone or anything.
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    From dust you are, to dust you will return. they die and remain in the grave like the rest of us. and no they do not have a heavenly hope.
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