Why don't you believe in God?

[Tracy]

John 3:12
Romans 10:14





Luke 1:28-28

She was chosen. Just like any other miracle, if it happens all the time people will dismiss it as normal.




God rose Jesus from the dead to prove to non-believers that he could, and therefore prove the possibility of live after death.

Peter 1:3




Not sure, but Jesus did ask for their forgiveness "for they not know what they are doing".




It wasn't because he just felt like it. He did it to escape from the Egyptians who were sent to kill him and the Israelites slaves he'd led out of Egypt.

He parted the Red Sea, crossed safely, and then when the Egyptians tried, the Sea drowned them.

Exodus 14:16- God tells him HOW to do it.
Exodus 14:17-18- God tells WHY to do it.
Exodus 14:21- Moses DID it.
Exodus 14:22- Israelites crossed.
Exodus 14:27- Moses closes the Sea back again.
Exodus 14:28- Pursuing Egyptians perish.







Yes, that's it in a nutshell.

Daniel questioned the King's decree that anyone that asked anything from any god, other than him, would be thrown in with the lions. For doing so, the King tried to make an example out of him (Daniel 6:12). He was then thrown in and a boulder blocked his escaping back out (Daniel 6:17). The King woke up the next morning only to find that Daniel was just fine (Daniel 6:20).

What about all of the people who died because of the storm? Do you really think that not one of those people had a true faith in God...I guess "it was just their time to go". That sounds like a cop out to me. How did the 3 wise men just know that there was a baby that they should give gifts to and worship? Did someone call them on the telephone??

I'm not trying to be smart. These are just the types of things I think about.

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So I read all of this and all you did was refer me back to what I was asking. It's like a big circle.

Moses parted the red sea...can I go part the red sea if I believe in God? Can you part any sea cuz you have faith???

Has anyone else had a miracle virgin conception since Mary???

I know the bible says why Jesus rose from the dead, but has anyone else been able to rise from the dead in modern times?

You can't just refer me back to the bible when I'm asking questions about the bible and what it says. I already know what it says and it still doesn't make sense.

That's like me asking you to help me with a calculus problem and you referrring me back to the same equation. Dan does that all the time with calc. He's like...it's right there. Can't you see it??!!! With no explanation.

[Jaimecbr900]

So I read all of this and all you did was refer me back to what I was asking. It's like a big circle.

John 3:12 says "If I have told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Romans 10:14 says "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"

In other words, I felt that was addressing your question. You were wondering how someone is to "believe". I chose those two passages because to me they are saying "doubters will always doubt, until someone teaches them any different". I'm not smart enough to teach anything about the Bible, but to me those passages are saying that in order to truly understand God, you have to study it. Follow?

Moses parted the red sea...can I go part the red sea if I believe in God? Can you part any sea cuz you have faith???

You have to read the full story. Moses didn't part the Red Sea just because he was faithful. He parted the Red Sea as a direct order from God in order to escape persecution. I suppose if you God chose you to lead slaves out of Egypt, he'd give you whatever powers you'd need to do that too.

Has anyone else had a miracle virgin conception since Mary???

There's only ONE Jesus, so why would there be a need for another one?

I know the bible says why Jesus rose from the dead, but has anyone else been able to rise from the dead in modern times?

Same answer as above. There is only ONE Jesus. If there were many, there would be no way to tell the real from the fake.

You can't just refer me back to the bible when I'm asking questions about the bible and what it says. I already know what it says and it still doesn't make sense.

I quoted things from the bible because to me they explain some of the questions you have. I was hoping they'd do the same for you. Unfortunately, I'm no Bible scholar so I don't have the tools to explain any further than that. Maybe you should ask a priest or preacher and see if they give you an answer that makes sense to you.

That's like me asking you to help me with a calculus problem and you referrring me back to the same equation. Dan does that all the time with calc. He's like...it's right there. Can't you see it??!!! With no explanation.

Dan's smarter than you and I, so I can't help you there.

[Tracy]

John 3:12 says "If I have told you earthly things and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things?"

Romans 10:14 says "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"

In other words, I felt that was addressing your question. You were wondering how someone is to "believe". I chose those two passages because to me they are saying "doubters will always doubt, until someone teaches them any different". I'm not smart enough to teach anything about the Bible, but to me those passages are saying that in order to truly understand God, you have to study it. Follow?






You have to read the full story. Moses didn't part the Red Sea just because he was faithful. He parted the Red Sea as a direct order from God in order to escape persecution. I suppose if you God chose you to lead slaves out of Egypt, he'd give you whatever powers you'd need to do that too.




There's only ONE Jesus, so why would there be a need for another one?



Same answer as above. There is only ONE Jesus. If there were many, there would be no way to tell the real from the fake.



I quoted things from the bible because to me they explain some of the questions you have. I was hoping they'd do the same for you. Unfortunately, I'm no Bible scholar so I don't have the tools to explain any further than that. Maybe you should ask a priest or preacher and see if they give you an answer that makes sense to you.



Dan's smarter than you and I, so I can't help you there.

I hear ya on some of this stuff. I have talked to preachers and priests and they basically do the same thing. Explain things by pointing you right back to the Bible.

I know there is only 1 Jesus. Why can't we have another if he was such a good thing??? It's been long enough and we have a lot of problems that maybe another Jesus could help us with by dying.

I did read the story about Moses. So is it like rhetorical or for real....because who has powers like parting the sea? Only Moses or people from his generation aparently.

Johns and Romans can tell us all they want about earthly things...but we are not using their language anymore. Who's to say that whoever had to rewrite the bible didn't interperate things the way he thought it should be said? Not all words or sentences, for that matter, translate directly so that means someone has to interpret it. Why can't Jaime testify to any of these types of things happening? Because you've never seen it, right? You just read the Bible and hope that it's true. You've never experienced it for yourself and I don't mean the feeling of having God in your life. I mean a for real, seen it with your own eyes experience. It's like reading the internet, just because you read it and someone says it's true doesn't mean it is. Now if you see a video potsed then all of a sudden you can fathom it.

[Xrated O.G.]

I hear ya on some of this stuff. I have talked to preachers and priests and they basically do the same thing. Explain things by pointing you right back to the Bible.

I know there is only 1 Jesus. Why can't we have another if he was such a good thing??? It's been long enough and we have a lot of problems that maybe another Jesus could help us with by dying.

I did read the story about Moses. So is it like rhetorical or for real....because who has powers like parting the sea? Only Moses or people from his generation aparently.

Johns and Romans can tell us all they want about earthly things...but we are not using their language anymore. Who's to say that whoever had to rewrite the bible didn't interperate things the way he thought it should be said? Not all words or sentences, for that matter, translate directly so that means someone has to interpret it. Why can't Jaime testify to any of these types of things happening? Because you've never seen it, right? You just read the Bible and hope that it's true. You've never experienced it for yourself and I don't mean the feeling of having God in your life. I mean a for real, seen it with your own eyes experience. It's like reading the internet, just because you read it and someone says it's true doesn't mean it is. Now if you see a video potsed then all of a sudden you can fathom it.

You go girl...Thats a nice interperatation of things..

[Tracy]

You go girl...Thats a nice interperatation of things..

Word! I'm definately going to hell if there is one....

Jaime. I love you and you are one of the smartest people I know. I hope you know that.

[Killer]

Word! I'm definately going to hell if there is one....

Jaime. I love you and you are one of the smartest people I know. I hope you know that.

and you're happy about that...???
i went through a stage in my life where i still believed in God, but i didn't worship Him... i was sinning left and right.... and i knew i was going to hell if i did.... THAT WAS THE WORST TIME OF MY LIFE!!!!!! i've never been more unhappy....
and Jesus dieing didn't just solve every body's problems. It just allows sinners like you and I to ask for forgiveness and go to heaven NOT HELL!

[Xrated O.G.]

Well Im not going to sit here and try to speak for Tracy but I do have some questions for ya.


1. If its a persons choice to accept the fact that they feel they are going to go to hell, then whats wrong with that. Not that Im saying I do or dont beleive in heaven or hell.

2. If said person is content and able to see there past "sins", and it doesnt bother them then why do others feel they need to belittle and preach to them?

3. With as many choices as there are in choosing out of so many different types of religions, why is it not ok to choose to be a sinner?



I dont want this to seem as if Im religion bashing, because I'm not. These are just a few of the questions I have been asking for my 31 yrs on this earth. I have had this type of discussion with people from all walks of life and not one of them can give me a straight answer. Everyone believes in different things, I just feel that religion has become more of a business than a "faith".

and you're happy about that...???
i went through a stage in my life where i still believed in God, but i didn't worship Him... i was sinning left and right.... and i knew i was going to hell if i did.... THAT WAS THE WORST TIME OF MY LIFE!!!!!! i've never been more unhappy....
and Jesus dieing didn't just solve every body's problems. It just allows sinners like you and I to ask for forgiveness and go to heaven NOT HELL!

[Tracy]

and you're happy about that...???
i went through a stage in my life where i still believed in God, but i didn't worship Him... i was sinning left and right.... and i knew i was going to hell if i did.... THAT WAS THE WORST TIME OF MY LIFE!!!!!! i've never been more unhappy....
and Jesus dieing didn't just solve every body's problems. It just allows sinners like you and I to ask for forgiveness and go to heaven NOT HELL!

I don't really care because I don't believe in it.

So if I ask for forgiveness right now, I'm going to heaven???

[ISAtlanta300]

I hear ya on some of this stuff. I have talked to preachers and priests and they basically do the same thing. Explain things by pointing you right back to the Bible.

That is because most of your answers ARE in the bible

Everything is written in there. The beginning AND the end.

I know there is only 1 Jesus. Why can't we have another if he was such a good thing??? It's been long enough and we have a lot of problems that maybe another Jesus could help us with by dying.

It is not time yet. Again... (LOL).... yes I am pointing at the bible. His second coming is foretold. There will not be another Jesus.

And problems? You have not seen anything yet.... the best (or worse?) is yet to come......

I did read the story about Moses. So is it like rhetorical or for real....because who has powers like parting the sea? Only Moses or people from his generation aparently.

Who has powers like parting the sea? God. Not Moses or people from his generation. It was through him that God allowed such power. God basically told him what to do and GAVE him the power to do it AT THE MOMENT. Does not mean that he could have partedit again at will. He was not a "power ranger".

Because you've never seen it, right? You just read the Bible and hope that it's true. You've never experienced it for yourself and I don't mean the feeling of having God in your life. I mean a for real, seen it with your own eyes experience. It's like reading the internet, just because you read it and someone says it's true doesn't mean it is. Now if you see a video potsed then all of a sudden you can fathom it.

Even THEN some people will doubt it. Look at this site !! "He wasn't racing in the VID ! He let off the accelerator! It was his friend ! It was Staged !!"

Like Jaime says.. no one can make you believe. You either do or you don't. Nothing wrong with that. People have free will to make their own choices. I have not seen Julius Ceasar, met Christophel Columbus or drank tea with Mao-Tse-Tung. Yet I "believe" they existed. Even though I did not experience it for myself. It's like reading a history book.

[Tracy]

Like Jaime says.. no one can make you believe. You either do or you don't. Nothing wrong with that. People have free will to make their own choices. I have not seen Julius Ceasar, met Christophel Columbus or drank tea with Mao-Tse-Tung. Yet I "believe" they existed. Even though I did not experience it for myself. It's like reading a history book.

Julius Ceasar and Chris Columbus don't have such an impact on people lives. No one is "going to hell" or "heaven" because they do/don't believe in Julius or Chris

I believe Jesus existed. I just believe that he is the son of god the same way you are the "son of god" or the same way I am "a child of god".

[Pedal]

Julius Ceasar and Chris Columbus don't have such an impact on people lives. No one is "going to hell" or "heaven" because they do/don't believe in Julius or Chris

I believe Jesus existed. I just believe that he is the son of god the same way you are the "son of god" or the same way I am "a child of god".

also how may Jesus's lived during those times

or even how many are alive today

[Wedge]

Has anyone else had a miracle virgin conception since Mary???

Story:
A woman at the age of 21 has a baby girl. She goes in shortly afterwards to have her tubes tied and removed. Four years later, she decides that she wants to have a baby boy. She talks to a doctor (no surgery) and the doctors said, there is no use, there is nothing we can do, go adopt. She prays diligently for months. Nothing happens. She keeps praying for the impossible. Everyone told her she was wasting her time. She got pregnant again at the age of 26. Doctors said the baby would never live, and to have an abortion. She said there was no way, she prayed to hard for him. The baby boy was born and lived. The doctors said the tubes must of regrown or somehow pressed together. They go in to do surgery, and yet no tubes. The doctors said there has never been an account recorded of this where the baby lives and is not a vegetable with the tubes apart for that long. The woman laughs and says, I think God can handle it.


That woman was my mother, and the baby was me.


So you see miracles do happen, just not as visual and well known like they do in the Bible. Awesome thread guys, I can't wait to finish reading the whole thing.

[A.P. Photography]

Story:
A woman at the age of 21 has a baby girl. She goes in shortly afterwards to have her tubes tied and removed. Four years later, she decides that she wants to have a baby boy. She talks to a doctor (no surgery) and the doctors said, there is no use, there is nothing we can do, go adopt. She prays diligently for months. Nothing happens. She keeps praying for the impossible. Everyone told her she was wasting her time. She got pregnant again at the age of 26. Doctors said the baby would never live, and to have an abortion. She said there was no way, she prayed to hard for him. The baby boy was born and lived. The doctors said the tubes must of regrown or somehow pressed together. They go in to do surgery, and yet no tubes. The doctors said there has never been an account recorded of this where the baby lives and is not a vegetable with the tubes apart for that long. The woman laughs and says, I think God can handle it.


That woman was my mother, and the baby was me.


So you see miracles do happen, just not as visual and well known like they do in the Bible. Awesome thread guys, I can't wait to finish reading the whole thing.

Just to add to this:

An 8 month old baby was found to have two cancerous tumors. One tumor was on the base of the spine(size of a golf ball) and the other was on her brain (size of a half dollar). Now keep in mind that an 8 month old baby cannot take any kind of treatments or be operated on to remove any of tumor. My whole church brought the baby to the front and we came foward and prayed over the baby. At last report the tumor on the spine had completely disappeared and the one on the brain has shrunk down to the size of a pea. The doctors are baffled by this.

A woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and came before the church to be prayed over. She went in the following week (before any treatment was started but the size and location was noted) to have a biopsy done. The cancer had shrunk to the point they had to look to find it. Once they found it, it was so small they had a hard time getting a sample for the biopsy. Once the doctors were able to get the sample and put it under the microscope, it disintergrated in front of their eyes. They examined her again and there were no signs of cancer.

Both of these examples show what God is capable of and I truly believe in him. And yes this is coming from the ex-Porn King

[Wedge]

Just to add to this:

An 8 month old baby was found to have two cancerous tumors. One tumor was on the base of the spine(size of a golf ball) and the other was on her brain (size of a half dollar). Now keep in mind that an 8 month old baby cannot take any kind of treatments or be operated on to remove any of tumor. My whole church brought the baby to the front and we came foward and prayed over the baby. At last report the tumor on the spine had completely disappeared and the one on the brain has shrunk down to the size of a pea. The doctors are baffled by this.

A woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and came before the church to be prayed over. She went in the following week (before any treatment was started but the size and location was noted) to have a biopsy done. The cancer had shrunk to the point they had to look to find it. Once they found it, it was so small they had a hard time getting a sample for the biopsy. Once the doctors were able to get the sample and put it under the microscope, it disintergrated in front of their eyes. They examined her again and there were no signs of cancer.

Both of these examples show what God is capable of and I truly believe in him. And yes this is coming from the ex-Porn King

thanks, I thought my post got shuffled amongst the arguing

sometimes it's easy to read this and think "oh, that's a nice story" but to actually live through it or to see it happen is something totally different.

Thanks for the input