How do you see, God?

[stephen]

Interesting. Thanks for PMing me back to this thread. Now lets get started:

You're saying that you pretty much think atheism or atheist exist because of so many religions? That we go from a religous mentality to an atheist one? Haven't heard that one before. I have no problem with people believing in something, me being the way I am. Give's me the opportunity to seek greater knowledge when other's who believe in religion who refuse to believe and would much rather ignore. You're Baptist. Well, so is my mom. So I pretty much know what you guys believe in and how you guys view "God."

i'm not necessarily saying that atheist go from religion to no religion, i just feel like there are far too many religions in the world, and it's natural for ANYONE to second guess "who's right/who's wrong." i believe that's the battle that creates "non believers." athiest tend to look more on the intellectual side of things, where everything has a definitive, and sometimes "tangible" answer. the religious rely on faith, and hold the "unknown" to a higher standard.

From my understanding there are three spirits. God, Jesus and like you said the Holy Ghost. I honestly don't understand this whole concept. Why must there be three? I also had some Baptist people come to my house one day and all three of us sat down and had a very nice talk about me and my stand on religion. I asked questions and they tried to respond. I made some good points, they made some good points.

You seeing "God" as how someone would see if they were going through a time warp could be cause because of your eyesight. Like when you wake up and can't see real clear. Everything turns fuzzy. Maybe? From talks with my mother she's told me that she's never seen God but she's felt him. Through heat - increase in body temp. could happen from so many things. Muscles tensing up, inner body phenomena, ect.

the 3 entities is something that i can't give you a definitive answer to...but i can try. God, being the creator of all, needed a means of communicating with man. he sent down a direct decendent of himself, Jesus, whose goal was to physically show man there is a higher power. the Holy Ghost...i have no idea of how to explain it...i'd say it's more like those "feelings" your mom mentioned. i believe our only way of actually seeing God (without dying), was through Jesus...who died at the hands of man. therefore, when we "feel" God, we're referring to the Holy Ghost.

To you "faith" is that, but to me it's something else. An absence of faith is not a faith. I have enough faith to believe that theology, especially Abrahamic theology, is merely the refuge of the mentally handicapped. I can't prove that they are all handicapped, but I have faith that they are.

because you don't hold a faith in religion, don't mean you lack it. you still hold faith in science. the difference between my faith and yours can be seen if we were both on our "death beds." while i would pray for God to return my health, and give the doctors whatever skill it would take to fix me....you would hope that science alone can fix you. in my mind, your hope, and my prayer, are one in the same. i'm putting my faith in the hands of the Lord, and you're putting yours in the hands of man & medicine.

I also live only to live life and all the things it has to offer. Why have faith in something that's going to happen after you experience death? The Qur'an I think could be one of the few books that are closer to the religion truth than anything else. Yes, because it's from the country where this whole tale supposedly started from. I've never read it, so I have no idea what's in it. But I do know of it's origin.

religious people also live to enjoy life, but death is inevitable. the 2 most traumatic things a human can experience is LIFE and DEATH. to me, life and death represent the "tangible" begining and end of our bodies...while our spirits can't die, they return to the creator. lol, i highly doubt anyone is ANXIOUS to return their spirit to the creator (except maybe suicide bombers), but it is an idea that eases the stress of knowing your life will be over. do you believe that you have a spirit? you've never thought about what the WHOLE purpose of life is? it's just hard to believe that we're here, we go through all of these trials and tribulations, and for it all to be for nothing. is that TRULY that easy to believe? that's harder than accepting God!

You have to take a trip to reality to understand that our body's aren't as difficult to duplicate as you may think. We already know how our systems work and what kind of components we're made off. All we're stuck on, is how our brain works. Since it's a very sensitive organ and full of billions of cells. We're getting closer to understanding it though, thanks to science.

Having a sense that we're the final product and that they're is nothing else out there other than ourselves is foolish. We're not alone - and this has already been proven. To understand how life began, again, you'll have to take a trip to reality. First you have to understand what we're exactly made of. Our composition. Of course you have people believing we're made of magical minerals that's only found here, on planet Earth. Well, when you look at it through a set of well educated eyes you come to realize that not everything can be that simple. The origin of 'humans' would clearly take us back millions of years. Mutation, evolution, time. There are tons of factors that played a roll. You may throw the 'how do you know' comment but here's an answer. If you conduct a devolution experiment you will clearly see that we have secret parts in our dna that allow us to hack into our past. I'm going to take a guess and say you're a believer of God and Jesus Christ. You want to know why I don't and why I choose not to? What did it for me was the realization that the world looks exactly like it would if there were no God.

a trip in reality would tell you that our bodies aren't easy to duplicate. sh/t, our bodies can't even duplicate itself at some points. think about how in the womb, your body creates this perfect human from NOTHING. now what happens when we lose limbs...they don't grow back, but they started from nothing right? what about when we lose large amounts of skin? yeah, sometimes the skin will return, but it will never be the same BEFORE it was damaged. the only possible way for us to duplicate a human (cloning) would be to have a human to start with. although we have to have 2 humans to reproduce, there was still a point where the FIRST humans came from NOTHING....that's something we can't re-create. if you believe we can, and haven't seen it...then why is it so hard for you to believe in a God you can't see????

i almost missed the whole last paragraph you wrote. it's true, maybe your day to day life isn't any different if you believe or not, but a little positive energy can't hurt you. like i said, there's a lot of things you've never seen, but feel like there's plenty of evidence out there to support your opinion...well religion is the same way. to me, that's one of the greatest joys faith can give you....POSITIVE ENERGY. i can wake up and enjoy the sunrise and nature just as much as you, but i can also wake up and thank the Lord for giving me life, and being able to enjoy EVERYTHING that life has to offer.