How do you see, God?

**Maniacc** · 08-23-2008, 02:54 AM

So after falling asleep and being awakened by some strange dream. I started thinking, and thinking, and thinking... Many people usually picture God as a man figure looking down on you. Protecting you and always watching closely at your mistakes or troubled times. Well, as an atheist, I know that when I see a beautiful sunrise or a gorgeous mountain scenery, I get the same feelings as a religious person. The religious person just puts the label of "God" onto the beauty whereas I appreciate it for what it is.

Anyone else feel this way?

ETA: Comments are more than welcomed, no trollin' from me will be done in this thread.

**Benefit** · 08-23-2008, 04:24 AM

your wrong, close thread.

**Frög** · 08-23-2008, 05:57 AM

The way I see religion is different.. I am roman catholic and proud.. I respect all religion and those without, as a logical person who understands the factual side of this discussion.. I see it many different ways, but mainly as a group, for a common societal good and individual spiritual support.. Lets face it, that there is an actual "God" is everything but provable.. Regardless, it is something that some people need to help them carry on their lives.. Often the sick, the depressed, who without religion and "God" would probably not be here.. The spiritual support a sick person needs, because just believing in "God" and his power in keeping one's mind healthy could be "it" itself.. Because at the end of the day, the real truth remains that there is: No Body Without Mind..

This comes from my heart, I just went through a tough phase of my life, where I could of easily lost my mind.. Though I've never always been a religious person, and my feelings toward "God" have not always been like this, I found myself praying every minute.. Regardless whether "God" exists or not, HE WAS THERE FOR ME..

God Bless..

**C-loS109** · 08-23-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Benefit

your wrong, close thread.

wow u seem to have a huge level of ignorance. its what the believes and ur not respecting that. and by doing so u just made urself look like a dumb ignorant person.

i have a saying in this topic but im not saying anything. ill keep my believes to myself.

but if u believe in something and somebody else believes in something else, is their problem not yours.

**stillaneon** · 08-23-2008, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by C-loS109

wow u seem to have a huge level of ignorance. its what the believes and ur not respecting that. and by doing so u just made urself look like a dumb ignorant person.

i have a saying in this topic but im not saying anything. ill keep my believes to myself.

but if u believe in something and somebody else believes in something else, is their problem not yours.

X2

Thats probably the most ignorant thing I have heard Benefit say.

I'm glad your faith is strong enough that you can have no doubts in what you believe but that doesnt make you God. Judgemental comments like that pretty much go against the core values of your beliefs.

**quickdodge®** · 08-23-2008, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by meepnork

How do you see, God?

The comma after see isn't needed, lolol.

But seriously, I pretty much feel the same as you. When we go to the house on St. Simon's Island, and I wake up in the morning, I see a sunrise over the ocean like no other. And I know inside that I pretty much believe in God or something of that nature, but He isn't the first thing I think of when I see that sunrise. In fact, I don't even think I think of God at all for that. I just think that this is beautiful and that it can't get any better. Later, QD.

**hydroshutter** · 08-23-2008, 12:52 PM

You don't, he doesn't exist.

**osnap** · 08-23-2008, 01:47 PM

...As a broad representative figurehead spawned from the institutionalized population control tool known as organized religion. God is whatever you want God to be... or whatever your religion of choice has decided over the centuries that they want you to think, anyways. The fact of the matter is NOBODY, no matter how much they might want to convince you otherwise, knows for sure. Hell, "knows for sure" may not even be appropriate - no one really has the faintest clue, aside from those who allow blind faith to convince themselves that they do.

**Benefit** · 08-23-2008, 02:06 PM

ignorant, yes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

**Benefit** · 08-23-2008, 02:13 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir

**EJ25RUN** · 08-23-2008, 02:15 PM

i see him on GP Sundays.

Say it with me Now "ROSSIGOD"

**EJ25RUN** · 08-23-2008, 02:31 PM

On the real though,

What are you trying to accomplish with this thread exactly? Turn people atheist? Cause you won't. Lets just for the sake of argument imagine i was an atheist, i wouldn't come on a forum throwing this out there. Seriously, religion is something you, nor i, nor anyone on this earth can judge. Why? Because it is a spiritual belief between one person and what overhead body they choose to believe. I am not a Christian. I am actually an admitted terrible Jew. I have not stepped foot in a synagogue for 10 years and i don't really celebrate any of the holidays. But i still hold a relationship with my "God". This belief of mine you have chosen to judge makes me a better man. Other Jews might not think so but that is something the constitution lets me have. A freedom of religion. Something a lot of other countries don't. And it comes back to you. Your are allowed by law to worship or not worship what ever you choose unless you are committing a federal crime like murder, rape, or anything else certain religious groups think they can get away with because "god said so". Again, religion has made a lot of good in history and a lot of bad. But for a lot of people it gives life meaning and you can't just take that away from them. So, just end it and worry about yourself, unless religion hurts you directly, let everyone else live their life as they choose.

**alpine_aw11** · 08-23-2008, 03:22 PM

I've excepted that neither I nor anyone I've ever met can truly have any answers, so I dont try and picture God to be anything. You can believe what you will, but personally I think trying to accept any form of belief, whether it be atheist or organized religions, is ignorant in its own right. I can pretty much say I have no beliefs on the matter, as nothing relating to our origins has ever been proven. I understand that people use it as a means of feeling comforted, and that's why believing in God/religion has a very important purpose in the world. However, it also has caused terrible things and millions of deaths, so I dont associate myself with anything. So I guess you could say I place the Earth we live on, its people, and nature as the most important aspects to think of.

**osnap** · 08-23-2008, 03:35 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to alpine_xj again.

**Maniacc** · 08-23-2008, 04:16 PM

lmaonade, seems like a lot of you completely dodged my question and automatically assumed I started this thread to have another Religion debate. If I really wanted to, I could quote everyone one of you and completely throw tons of counter-posts back at you. Yet this would cause a battle between me and the religion members of IA. And to be honest, I really don't want that.

Because I've been in threads in my other forum that had discussions go on for days! With smart intellectuals, not some high school children. Who often get upset whenever they're faced with hardcore facts that their only retort to it would be, "faith." Faith is just an excuse used when you refuse to know the truth. I'll ask the question again. How do you see "God?" Or higher being, or whatever you want to call it. My first post had all the information needed to answer the question. How did some of you totally miss it?

**alpine_aw11** · 08-23-2008, 04:18 PM

I answered your question, just added why I believe what I do. Better to give an explanation that not give one at all.

**Maniacc** · 08-23-2008, 04:20 PM

Which is why I didn't say "all" of you, and instead said "some."

**ueyedgr8tness** · 08-23-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by EJ25RUN

On the real though,

What are you trying to accomplish with this thread exactly? Turn people atheist? Cause you won't. Lets just for the sake of argument imagine i was an atheist, i wouldn't come on a forum throwing this out there. Seriously, religion is something you, nor i, nor anyone on this earth can judge. Why? Because it is a spiritual belief between one person and what overhead body they choose to believe. I am not a Christian. I am actually an admitted terrible Jew. I have not stepped foot in a synagogue for 10 years and i don't really celebrate any of the holidays. But i still hold a relationship with my "God". This belief of mine you have chosen to judge makes me a better man. Other Jews might not think so but that is something the constitution lets me have. A freedom of religion. Something a lot of other countries don't. And it comes back to you. Your are allowed by law to worship or not worship what ever you choose unless you are committing a federal crime like murder, rape, or anything else certain religious groups think they can get away with because "god said so". Again, religion has made a lot of good in history and a lot of bad. But for a lot of people it gives life meaning and you can't just take that away from them. So, just end it and worry about yourself, unless religion hurts you directly, let everyone else live their life as they choose.

have some good points in here bro

BUt I love god and i am about to give u guy's a verse out the KJV that was written yr's ago and u tell me if it is not coming to past right now. IF the bible is wrong and there is no GOD or Jesus then why is the bible so true?

**alpine_aw11** · 08-23-2008, 04:26 PM

You might want to get your flame suit on...

**ueyedgr8tness** · 08-23-2008, 04:37 PM

Mark 13 >> I shall put some ( ) marks where parts that is going on right now
King James Bible

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1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? 5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 7 (And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars), be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. 8 (For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places), and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0768999.html
now look the word up famines..

U can't tell me that we have not been having trouble with drought here lately with record breaking season and them talking about us running out of fuel,and u mean u can't tell me that were not at war with other country's right now?? the bible say's end the end "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom" so how would guy's way back then would no what was gonna happen if they where not led by something so great?

What has atheist done to come closer to getting it right more than the guy's who wrote the word that USA was founded on?

I don't want to hear u guy's beat around the bush and i got my flame suit on,i open to every religion.But this 1 seems to be the only 1 that has got it right so i must believe in something way greater than atheist considering they said we come from monkey's and we don't look nothing like monkey's

**alpine_aw11** · 08-23-2008, 04:49 PM

The Bible's extremely broad predictions which also lack any specification of the times they will occur do nothing to prove it right. I take it you dont have too much experience with researching the beliefs of other religions? There are literally hundreds of ways to prove the Bible is nothing more than a fictional narrative but this isn't the thread to do it in...

And you also completely missed the point of the thread.

**ueyedgr8tness** · 08-23-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by alpine_xj

The Bible's extremely broad predictions which also lack any specification of the times they will occur do nothing to prove it right. I take it you dont have too much experience with researching the beliefs of other religions? There are literally hundreds of ways to prove the Bible is nothing more than a fictional narrative but this isn't the thread to do it in...

And you also completely missed the point of the thread.

well the point of the thread was to try to get ppl to believe what he does,Thats why i did what i did

and just incase u didn't realize everything the bible said in those 2 verses all our happen right now,not matter if the bible had a time line or not.The fact is all the things it said would happen at the same time ,just seem to be doing just that. And trust me i have done study on king james and i do understand what your saying.BUt i could anything prove the bible wrong when were findout here lately that alot of it is right.I just choose to believe in something that has proved itself over time and time again.

P.s on the real this thread has been made to many times about religion and athiest and w/e else bs ppl might want to believe.I really think this is a topic where no 1 gets anywhere so u just leave it alone,and as long as some 1 is happy with what they believe then just repsect them for it

**alpine_aw11** · 08-23-2008, 07:26 PM

Fair enough. I could go on all night but you're right, it is pretty much pointless in the end.

**quickdodge®** · 08-23-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by meepnork

l If I really wanted to, I could quote everyone one of you and completely throw tons of counter-posts back at you.

Originally Posted by meepnork

Which is why I didn't say "all" of you, and instead said "some."

I beg to differ, lolol. Later, QD.

**Maniacc** · 08-24-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by stay_up

well the point of the thread was to try to get ppl to believe what he does,Thats why i did what i did

You seriously need to drop your religion guard for a minute and just read. I'm not trying to convert anyone to atheism. I don't have a problem with people believing in religion- even though I do like getting into it with them. I honestly didn't ready your posts, other than this small peice.

**Maniacc** · 08-24-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by quickdodge®

I beg to differ, lolol. Later, QD.

lmaonade, you apparently seem to enjoy doing that. I'll get you one day watch.

**man** · 08-25-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by meepnork

Yet this would cause a battle between me and the religion members of IA. And to be honest, I really don't want that.

You realize atheism is a religion...

**ShooterMcGavin** · 08-25-2008, 10:31 AM

atheism is not a religion, it's the absence of religion in fact...

**man** · 08-25-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by shagwAg3n

atheism is not a religion, it's the absence of religion in fact...

Atheism, by definition, is the active belief that there is no god. It is therefor a belief system and thus, again by definition, a religion. Most "atheists" have no idea what atheism really is and join simply as a rebellious statement, when in fact they prove themselves to be the most ignorant (and most closed-minded) religious fanatics of them all.

**ShooterMcGavin** · 08-25-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by fcman

Atheism, by definition, is the active belief that there is no god. It is therefor a belief system and thus, again by definition, a religion. Most "atheists" have no idea what atheism really is and join simply as a rebellious statement, when in fact they prove themselves to be the most ignorant (and most closed-minded) religious fanatics of them all.

funny, maybe you ought to go school those at atheists.org then, since you know more about atheism than they do...

http://www.atheists.org/faqs/atheism.html

**AirMax95** · 08-25-2008, 11:05 AM

So, I have resisted posting in this thread due to my belief that religion and one's relationship with God is personal. Although Friday, while at the mall, I saw a rather wierd looking fellow with the below shirt on....Needless to say, my heart dropped and I was VERY OFFENDED, saddened, and confused.

/rant

**man** · 08-25-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by shagwAg3n

funny, maybe you ought to go school those at atheists.org then, since you know more about atheism than they do...

http://www.atheists.org/faqs/atheism.html

Sorry, the site did nothing for me other than reaffirming my opinions.

Explain to me how this site differs from sites of other religions...

Funny how someone can play with words to make you BELIEVE that you BELIEVE in nothing...

Also funny how only an atheist website would say they are not a religion/belief system.

**Maniacc** · 08-25-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by fcman

Atheism, by definition, is the active belief that there is no god. It is therefor a belief system and thus, again by definition, a religion. Most "atheists" have no idea what atheism really is and join simply as a rebellious statement, when in fact they prove themselves to be the most ignorant (and most closed-minded) religious fanatics of them all.

For some strange reason, many people keep getting the idea that atheism is itself some sort of religion. Maybe it is because these people are so caught up in their own religious beliefs that they cannot imagine any person living without religion of some sort. Maybe it is due to some persistent misunderstanding of what atheism is. And maybe they just don't care that what they are saying really doesn't make any sense.

Most atheists do not "believe" that god does not exist. Rather, they dismiss it as a possibility due to a complete lack of evidence. Otherwise, they'd have to entertain the possibility of believing in anything and everything - which is the essential problem of agnosticism. Therefore, it does not take faith to be an atheist. If the evidence changes, then most would certainly be reasonable enough to revaluate their positions. Until then, the existence of god is simply a non-issue for them. In theory, the latter is a special case of the former. Believing X against some evidence is believing without evidence that the evidence [against] X is insufficient. Understand?

All religions have rules or certain beliefs. Lets compare them real quick:

- Does atheism have anything approaching "clearly defined rules?" Not in the least. There is only one "rule," and that is the rule of the definition of "atheism" - not having any belief in any gods.

- Does atheism have an "eschatology?" Eschatology is a "belief about the end of the world or the last things." Now, I'm sure that many atheists have some sort of beliefs about how the world might end, but those beliefs sure aren't clearly defined or uniform among all of us. In fact, any beliefs about the end of the world are accidental - that is to say, they are not a necessary part of atheism. There is absolutely, positively nothing inherent in the disbelief in gods that leads one to any opinions about the end of the world. Quite the opposite of how 'eschatology' is treated in a religion.

- Does atheism contain "a philosophy by which to live?" Atheists certainly have philosophies by which they live. Are they the same as religion ones? Highly doubt it.

As a side note, the easiest way to shut atheists up is to run them over with a tank.
Assuming you already have a tank and all the necessary tank stuff, and a place filled with self identified atheists.

**Maniacc** · 08-25-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by fcman

You realize atheism is a religion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yV1SJaKDzY This video raises an interesting question. If God does not discriminate, and God is unchanging, why are we required to believe without proof when people of the biblical era were not?

**ShooterMcGavin** · 08-25-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by fcman

Sorry, the site did nothing for me other than reaffirming my opinions.

Explain to me how this site differs from sites of other religions...

Funny how someone can play with words to make you BELIEVE that you BELIEVE in nothing...

Also funny how only an atheist website would say they are not a religion/belief system.

lol wtf? how many other religions argue that they AREN'T a religion?

and you're right, that site probably did nothing for you other than reaffirm YOUR OPINIONS (which clearly isn't shared by those who matter, the atheists themselves).

show me some non atheists sites that give good reasoning behind why atheism is a religion?

**BABY J** · 08-25-2008, 12:51 PM

Agreed. It's not a religion.

Carry on w/ the thread.

**Bruce Leroy** · 08-25-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by AirMax95

So, I have resisted posting in this thread due to my belief that religion and one's relationship with God is personal. Although Friday, while at the mall, I saw a rather wierd looking fellow with the below shirt on....Needless to say, my heart dropped and I was VERY OFFENDED, saddened, and confused.

/rant

If i'm not mistaken, bad religion is a band

**Blitanicle99** · 08-25-2008, 01:40 PM

To the OP

I may not ever be able to describe what "God" looks like in a picture, but I do see Gods presence in everyday life thus to me... seeing god in action is seeing god in general. Atleast to me.

However, I have also seen the presence of Satan (Evil) in a form of sight, sound, presence.

Seen both personally and am a Christian.

**Maniacc** · 08-26-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Blitanicle99

To the OP

I may not ever be able to describe what "God" looks like in a picture, but I do see Gods presence in everyday life thus to me... seeing god in action is seeing god in general. Atleast to me.

However, I have also seen the presence of Satan (Evil) in a form of sight, sound, presence.

Seen both personally and am a Christian.

Could you explain to us how you saw 'Evil.' I'm curious to know how it's presense looks.

**4dmin** · 08-26-2008, 02:19 PM

i don't believe in god - no gods no masters only man.

excellent band. you think that is bad you need to see the looks/comments i get when i happen to wear my EYEHATEGOD shirt on sundays

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