I don't smoke it, I can't (military) but I do see it as a waste of time in use and in the war on drugs. It has no different effects than alcohol, any justification for outlawing marijuana is the same argument for making alcohol illegal.
And read studies of countries who have legalized it, contrary to what you think useage drops. Imagine if alcohol was illegal, people would have it everywhere but since it is legal you realize how stupid it is to drink all the damn time. (Some of us at least)
Both alcohol and cigs should be illegal, in fact I would rather majijuana was legal and cigs were not. At least marijuana isnt physically addictive. Since pure tobacco isnt nearly as addictive as the niccotine laced cigs sold in the country now, I think that will eventually happen to marijuana.Originally Posted by tony
The US does not work like any other country in the world though. Things that work in MANY eurpoean countries simply have not worked here.
Doubt it will become legal, one thing I cannot argue is that Weed is a gateway drug. I didn't believe this at first but when I was in Alaska my friend told me that all of a sudden cocaine is becoming very common there since Marijuana has been legal. He says he sees it everywhere at parties now and studies do support this, so its a matter of what are you willing to deal with.
I've been smoking cigarettes for quite some time now and they haven't been addicting to me. I could stop, if I wanted to. I just don't see a reason why I should. I drink from time to time, and again, it has not been addicting. I also like to get baked, atleast twice a week and no addiction there.
You have to understand that 'addiction' will only occur if you allow it to.
lol, I cant count how many times I have heard this one...
Don't know what's so humorous about my post, but I know exactly what you're talking about. I personally know a few people who would make these kinds of claims and never follow through. Yet, I'm not one of them. I've proven it, several times actually.
yet you still smoke....
What part of my posts don't you understand? Maybe if you removed your d*ck out of your mothers vagina long enough and actually read what I posted you would know that I choose to continue to smoke. It's a choice. Just because I made this choice doesn't mean I can't stop if I wanted to. At this moment in time, I don't, which again is why I made this choice. Understand now? Or should I continue explaining it to you?yet you still smoke....
Actually, a real addiction is caused by your brain reacting to certain chemicals. Usually ones that cause the body to release endorphines(sp?) or dopamine, or that mimic the effects of them.
On another note: why should any drugs be illegal? What right does the government have to tell me what I can and cannot put in my body. If you take the position that alcohol and cigs and drugs kill people or are dangerous for your health, then why not outlaw cars, or even bathtubs. More people are killed by falling in their bathtubs than from cigs each year, and we all know how dangerous cars are. You know why pot was made illegal in the first place? Because the hemp industry threatened the paper industry in the 20's. Pot has only been illegal for about 90 yrs, as has cocaine and opiates.
Because people addicted to drugs routinely commit crimes to pay for their habits. It is s simply public safety issue, not an issue of choice.
There are people who commit crimes to pay their rent and feed themselves. Crime is never going to go away completely.
Also, I think legalizing marijuana and allowing for legal distribution would be safer for buyers and sellers. Many marijuana sellers also deal in and use harder drugs and thats where the crime is. Opening a legal market for marijuana would deal a severe blow to the black market. And since the harder drugs are traded on the same black market it would hurt those who deal in harder drugs. Not to mention having licensed and regulated providers would ensure that users who buy from the legal market aren't given marijuana that is contaminated with other drugs.
Im gonna have to disagree with this. A coke head isn't gonna quit doing coke and start smoking pot in its place because its legal. It doesn't work that way.
lol, you make me laugh. You try to make it a lose lose situation for me by writing that last sentence...nice try. You smoke cigs = you lose.
and what right do they have to make me wear my seatbelt? One thing you mention is that "more people are killed by falling in their bathtubs than from cigs each year". Can you provide proof of this claim? I just find it VERY hard to believe.
You got me. I'm 'FTL' because I choose to smoke. Sorry I can't make you happy, Sir. I'll try harder from now on. /Sarcasm. You act like you're in a level above me and can criticize me because of something I do. Not you, not your mother, not your friend, a complete stranger. Who you know nothing about. Continue living a wonderful life with clean lungs and I'll continue inhaling tobacco.
You're really showing me how much you don't care. Fantastic isn't it?
Addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning and develops physical dependence. Endorphins(You almost spelled it right, not bad)are endogenous opioid polypeptide compounds. They are produced by the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus in verebrates during strenuous exercise, excitement, and orgasm. They resemble the opiates in their abilities to produce analgesia and a sense of well-being. Endorphins work as 'natural fever relievers.'
And dopamine is something completely wrong which shouldn't have even been thrown in there.
Last edited by abandon; 08-13-2008 at 12:25 AM.
Awesome that you add bullshiit to my postagain, you are getting defensive because you said that you "can quit if you want to" and I said "I've heard that before". I dont see what your problem is.
I commend you for your dragon level wikipedia copy and paste skills.
Chill out, I promise you that no one on here (including DiesNuts) cares if you smoke tobacco or not. You just have to realize how ridiculous of a claim it is to say that you're not addicted yet have quit multiple times (hence restarted multiple times). That is all. Let it go.
As for the original topic, I'm kind of conflicted. Generally, yes, I do believe that it should be legalized. Like multiple people have posted, making it illegal has caused nothing but a black market to form (much like prohibition). Legalizing it, I believe, would reduce crime. As for hard drugs, they should stay illegal. The addictive properties and effects of cocaine and heroin for instance lead to irrational thinking. A junky will do anything to get their next fix. The difference between this and a hobo stealing for food (as someone mentioned earlier) is that someone who is hungry is still in their right mind. Someone who is going through heroin withdrawal is bat**** crazy. Sure a lot of money is spent fighting the flow of hard drugs in the US, but I feel that it's a noble battle.
When comparing alcohol to cannabis, I do agree that in the short term alcohol can be more damaging. Physical and sexual violence are defintiely linked with being drunk and definitely not with being stoned. Driving under the influence of either substance is absolutely retarded so that argument against drinking is null and void.
However, I'm a little worried about the societal and long term effects of legalization of weed. Smoking makes you absolutely worthless. This is something I wouldn't have really believed myself until visiting Amsterdam three weeks ago. I had smoked before on rare occasions, but never like that weekend. And I wouldn't be surprised if I never smoked again.
Both substances are bad. Personally if I'm planning on abusing a substance, I'd choose alcohol any day of the week. If I'm going to be retarded, I'd at least like to be social while I am and not sit around playing Wii all day. Ultimately, however, I don't believe either substance would be the downfall of society.
This got a little long, so cliffs:
-Abandon needs to cool it
-weed should be legalized (coming from someone who wouldn't smoke it)
-Hard drugs should stay illegal
-alcohol and weed are both bad, but not horrible
I agree, cigs and alcohol should both still be illegal.
Afterall, when Alcohol was last illegalized, it wasn't produced, distributed, sold and consumed. And the aforementioned scenario didn't create a tremendous gap in the economy for organized crime to fill after legitimate business was forced out of it.
Oh wait, it did? So not only did prohibition not stop people from drinking, it actually created a tremendous niche in the market for the nefarious and inherently criminal black market to fill?
YES, YES IT DID. THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. HOW ARE YOU SO STUPID?
This is really all there is to be said about this matter.
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