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    Quote Originally Posted by MaconPerformance
    After reading all of this: I wish I could prove to non-believers that God is real. But, If I could do this, it would end what God wants. God wants us to believe in Him "in faith". So, if I could prove to all that God is real it would change "faith" to "fact" making us just like angels(Created by God for worship). That's what makes us and our worship special... We "choose" to worship Him.
    How do you know this for sure?

    It's kinda clear that all of the current churches and priests are out for one thing. And that's making everyone they can into following the way's of Christ. To keep returning to their Church to give out donations.

    You yourself, can't prove that God is real.

    All you can prove to us, is that there are ancient scripts out there that tell of a man with mystical powers that once lived. That's it. No true facts of his existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaconPerformance
    Ran you are going to be hard pressed to find facts for God because he wants you to believe in Faith. Question for you - Are you trying to spend time seeking Him? Prayer is common way of communication. If you seek Him you will find Him. I'm not saying you have to go to church, church is "suppose" to make it easier to focus...
    No one wants to spend anytime seeking a being they know they'll never be able to see. All people really want are answers. Church doesn't give us, answers. They give us a better understanding at how life revolves around certain morals and how we should follow the path to happiness.

    In reality. People don't usually walk out of church with new knowledge on anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaconPerformance
    I love to read over these post though... It actually increases my faith because no one can actually prove or dis-prove God....
    I like reading stuff like this cause it gives me a better understanding on other people's point of views. And how people with faith react to non-believers.

    You're right though. No one can 'disprove' God, but no one here can prove he exists. So it's an equal discussion. With equal points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adios
    You're right though. No one can 'disprove' God, but no one here can prove his existence. So it's an equal arguement. With equal points.
    Just like disproving flying spaghetti monster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adios
    How do you know this for sure?

    It's kinda clear that all of the current churches and priests are out for one thing. And that's making everyone they can into following the way's of Christ. To keep returning to their Church to give out donations.

    You yourself, can't prove that God is real.

    All you can prove to us, is that there are ancient scripts out there that tell of a man with mystical powers that once lived. That's it. No true facts of his existence.


    No one wants to spend anytime seeking a being they know they'll never be able to see. All people really want are answers. Church doesn't give us, answers. They give us a better understanding at how life revolves around certain morals and how we should follow the path to happiness.

    In reality. People don't usually walk out of church with new knowledge on anything.


    I like reading stuff like this cause it gives me a better understanding on other people's point of views. And how people with faith react to non-believers.

    You're right though. No one can 'disprove' God, but no one here can prove he exists. So it's an equal discussion. With equal points.



    Thats funny because the very science you argue for proves that he existed. Whether or not you want to believe he was a higher being, Jesus was historically proven a real person.




    Any Theologist or Anthropologist / Archaeoligist will tell you that despite their religious beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg
    Thats funny because the very science you argue for proves that he existed. Whether or not you want to believe he was a higher being, Jesus was historically proven a real person.

    Any Theologist or Anthropologist / Archaeoligist will tell you that despite their religious beliefs.
    I bet you watched the show that talked about his remains on Discovery Channel and automatically believed it, because, well, Discovery Channel said it so it must be true.



    Right? Wrong!


    Even if they could find any remains, of Jesus Christ. How would they know he had special powers? Powers of healing and the power to bring people back from the dead?

    They can't! And wouldn't be able to.


    They could check it's DNA, but what would that tell you? They can't possible say that its dna is identical to God's himself.


    Plus, who's talking about Jesus? I was referring to God in my post.
    EDIT: After going back and reading what I posted, I can understand and see how you would think I was talking about Jesus. My mistake.

    Let me leave you with something interesting to read. Read it all, and let me know what you think. vvv

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2514360.shtml
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    How does god feel about me pooping on my partner's chest during intercourse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adios
    I bet you watched the show that talked about his remains on Discovery Channel and automatically believed it, because, well, Discovery Channel said it so it must be true.



    Right? Wrong!


    Even if they could find any remains, of Jesus Christ. How would they know he had special powers? Powers of healing and the power to bring people back from the dead?

    They can't! And wouldn't be able to.


    They could check it's DNA, but what would that tell you? They can't possible say that its dna is identical to God's himself.


    Plus, who's talking about Jesus? I was referring to God in my post.
    EDIT: After going back and reading what I posted, I can understand and see how you would think I was talking about Jesus. My mistake.

    Let me leave you with something interesting to read. Read it all, and let me know what you think. vvv

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2514360.shtml



    Nope, never watched it.

    But the overwhelming majority of people will tell you he is a real person, and just like i posted, not one necessarily with any kind of powers, just a guy named Jesus of Nazareth.


    and ofcourse you can't prove God's existence, Faith is the entire basis of it. Faith is what keeps so many coming back for more, but at the same time it pushes away so many from the church because they can't see or hear it. It all depends on the type of person you are and if you are ready to accept something like that.


    I personally don't know for sure that my religion is true, but i do not understand why someone would despite its factual basis WANT to believe something like there is no God and there is no point to life. If thats your idealism then why not just roll over and give up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg
    Nope, never watched it.

    But the overwhelming majority of people will tell you he is a real person, and just like i posted, not one necessarily with any kind of powers, just a guy named Jesus of Nazareth.


    and ofcourse you can't prove God's existence, Faith is the entire basis of it. Faith is what keeps so many coming back for more, but at the same time it pushes away so many from the church because they can't see or hear it. It all depends on the type of person you are and if you are ready to accept something like that.


    I personally don't know for sure that my religion is true, but i do not understand why someone would despite its factual basis WANT to believe something like there is no God and there is no point to life. If thats your idealism then why not just roll over and give up?
    It's not. All I want is to gain more knowledge and to see actually facts of this higher being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adios
    It's not. All I want is to gain more knowledge and to see actually facts of this higher being.



    I respect that because everyone does.



    But by questioning other people all you will do is find more babble and more run around answers. Only you know the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg
    I respect that because everyone does.



    But by questioning other people all you will do is find more babble and more run around answers. Only you know the answer.
    Questioning people is generally the best way not to end up completely misinformed and ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adios
    You're right though. No one can 'disprove' God, but no one here can prove he exists. So it's an equal discussion. With equal points.
    That's actually not really how logic or science work. Having no evidence for the existence of something doesn't put its potential existence at an equal footing with its thus far observed non-existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    That's actually not really how logic or science work. Having no evidence for the existence of something doesn't put its potential existence at an equal footing with its thus far observed non-existence.
    I understand what you're saying.

    Just because there is more evidence of God not existing then the other side of the table must hold more weight compared to the side with faith and God followers, right?

    Well uh, that's fine and all. Yet people with no faith in God can only bring up so many excuses/facts for it not existing. I choose not to believe in God myself, because I'm a man of Science. Still, that doesn't help me out much in this topic.

    All it's good for is bringing up facts to disprove to a certain extent there ever being a man with a power level of 9000 who could do whatever it is he felt like doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    That's actually not really how logic or science work. Having no evidence for the existence of something doesn't put its potential existence at an equal footing with its thus far observed non-existence.
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