"Christians" Look Here - Questions & Answers

[Ran]

1. if you don't believe in God/The Bible, you interpretations mean nothing... because they are just that... your interpretations... you can't tell me or anyone else that they are wrong for what they are doing.. or going against God... how am i going against something if it "doesn't exist" to you.... ?????

Agnostic != Atheist

I believe in a God or higher power, I just believe that organized religion is hideously flawed. Primarily Christianity.

Also, I'm not giving you my "interpretation". There is no "interpretation" to be made. I'm giving you what is written in your very own Bible. Unless you follow that BS King James Version with Unicorns.

And yes, I can tell some that they're wrong if their own book tells them that they're wrong but they're too stupid to read for themselves. I don't have to share beliefs with someone to know that what they're doing is wrong. The show me their ignorance everyday.

2. Man was basically made to fail... God knows we're gonna screw up... and we're allowed to do so... People put christians on to high of a pedestal sometimes.... christians are made of flesh too... they aren't perfect... and only the ones pretending to be christians claim they are perfect...

so it makes perfect sense that we would "do something we're not supposed to" we're human!!!!

I never said otherwise. But it's funny how all of these protestant religions (Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic [ROFL], ect...) claim to have the answers but most of them don't understand it themselves. So in turn, they take their own flawed information and fool other people into false and misguided beliefs. I'm sure that makes God happy, right?

Sorry Killer, but your counter argument is weak at best. I'm not claiming to be perfect or anything of the sort. I'm only looking to correct the so-called "christians" on this site about THEIR OWN BELIEFS WITH THEIR OWN BIBLE. In essence, you could say that I'm doing them a favor.

[Killer]

Agnostic != Atheist

I believe in a God or higher power, I just believe that organized religion is hideously flawed. Primarily Christianity.

Also, I'm not giving you my "interpretation". There is no "interpretation" to be made. I'm giving you what is written in your very own Bible. Unless you follow that BS King James Version with Unicorns.

And yes, I can tell some that they're wrong if their own book tells them that they're wrong but they're too stupid to read for themselves. I don't have to share beliefs with someone to know that what they're doing is wrong. The show me their ignorance everyday.

I never said otherwise. But it's funny how all of these protestant religions (Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic [ROFL], ect...) claim to have the answers but most of them don't understand it themselves. So in turn, they take their own flawed information and fool other people into false and misguided beliefs. I'm sure that makes God happy, right?

Sorry Killer, but your counter argument is weak at best. I'm not claiming to be perfect or anything of the sort. I'm only looking to correct the so-called "christians" on this site about THEIR OWN BELIEFS WITH THEIR OWN BIBLE. In essence, you could say that I'm doing them a favor.

The Bible itself was written by man, has been translated by man, and every man has his own interpretation of "what means what" in the Bible... So even if you think my argument is "weak" I'm still right... You don't believe as we/they believe (i myself believe in a lot different way than what most christians do... so i'm kinda reluctant to include myself) there for even if it's in bold/and blatantly says "you shall not do this"... you still don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong for doing/believing/worshiping however they wish...

In my OPINION God convicts different people in different ways... just like i believe that Satan may tempt different people with different things....

















you know what just hit me...... in your original statement.... ???

1) The "Trinity" (the belief that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same) is NOT in the Bible. There are completely seperate.

2) Christmas is a pagan religion and NOT condoned by God or the Bible. Same for Easter. If you celebrate these holidays, then you are defying God's commandment to not associate him with them. Good job.

If God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are not One....

Why can't we celebrate Jesus birthday/death on pagan holidays???

YOUR argument contradicts itself.........

[Kelly]

The Bible itself was written by man, has been translated by man, and every man has his own interpretation of "what means what" in the Bible... So even if you think my argument is "weak" I'm still right... You don't believe as we/they believe (i myself believe in a lot different way than what most christians do... so i'm kinda reluctant to include myself) there for even if it's in bold/and blatantly says "you shall not do this"... you still don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong for doing/believing/worshiping however they wish...

In my OPINION God convicts different people in different ways... just like i believe that Satan may tempt different people with different things....

















you know what just hit me...... in your original statement.... ???




If God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are not One....

Why can't we celebrate Jesus birthday/death on pagan holidays???

YOUR argument contradicts itself.........

You completely lost me on that last part...

[Killer]

You completely lost me on that last part...

the last part hit me it's not related to the rest of the post...





ran is stating that GOD SAYS not to associate HIM with PAGAN rituals yadda yadda yadda.....

he also stated that GOD JESUS AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE NOT ONE....


Chirstmas and Easter celebrate JESUS life and death...

not God Himself.... (as far as rans argument is concerned)

he's contradicting himself.. by saying that the pagan holidays that celebrate jesus offend god because he said not to associate GOD with the pagan rituals....

do you not get it?


i'm having a hard time finding the right words for this!!! lol

[Ran]

he's contradicting himself.. by saying that the pagan holidays that celebrate jesus offend god because he said not to associate GOD with the pagan rituals....

If your son was associated with something you didn't want him to be, would you not in turn be associated with it indirectly? Same thing.

[kadabra]

The Bible itself was written by man, has been translated by man, and every man has his own interpretation of "what means what" in the Bible... So even if you think my argument is "weak" I'm still right... You don't believe as we/they believe (i myself believe in a lot different way than what most christians do... so i'm kinda reluctant to include myself) there for even if it's in bold/and blatantly says "you shall not do this"... you still don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong for doing/believing/worshiping however they wish...

I don't think he was saying that you are WRONG for believing in the Bible/god. All he was saying was that the Holy book is covered with flaws, and that Religion or better yet, Christianity has a bunch of hypocrites and followers that don't care about the rules "God" created. Thus giving a your religion a bad name.

And like you said on your post, the bible was written by "man." Not a higher power like so many people choose to believe.

The new testament, the old. Which one is faker than the other? Hmm Im going to go with both. Just what I think. They both contain false tails.

In my OPINION God convicts different people in different ways... just like i believe that Satan may tempt different people with different things....

And just like you have your opinions on how things work, others do to. In my OPINION, God does not exists, but an evil does. And no, im not Satanic, but there are evil spirts out there and VERY LITTLE good.

[Ran]

I don't think he was saying that you are WRONG for believing in the Bible/god. All he was saying was that the Holy book is covered with flaws, and that Religion or better yet, Christianity has a bunch of hypocrites and followers that don't care about the rules "God" created. Thus giving a your religion a bad name.

And like you said on your post, the bible was written by "man." Not a higher power like so many people choose to believe.

According the belief, the Bible is God's word written through man. God inspired if you will.

But yes, modern day religion is a joke and Christianity is leading the revolution in producing a bunch of non-informed morons into a new false religion.

[kadabra]

According the belief, the Bible is God's word written through man. God inspired if you will.

Exactly, belief. I find it funny when people continue to say that the HOLY BOOK was created by the HOLY GOD. There is no scientific proof that this EVERY happened. NO proof of a person with his caliber every existing, NO proof that such events from the bible EVERY took place. So it amazes me when people STILL CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN IT.

But yes, modern day religion is a joke and Christianity is leading the revolution in producing a bunch of non-informed morons into a new false religion.

But hey, we're the bad guys when we choose to not believe in it. Right? Riiighhht...

[Killer]

Exactly, belief. I find it funny when people continue to say that the HOLY BOOK was created by the HOLY GOD. There is no scientific proof that this EVERY happened. NO proof of a person with his caliber every existing, NO proof that such events from the bible EVERY took place. So it amazes me when people STILL CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN IT.

When you learn some more FACTS.. and that the word EVER AND EVERY are two different words... you can talk....

[kadabra]

When you learn some more FACTS.. and that the word EVER AND EVERY are two different words... you can talk....

Haha, damnit!

[ShooterMcGavin]

I believe in a God or higher power, I just believe that organized religion is hideously flawed. Primarily Christianity.

if that's true then Ran != Agnostic

[Ran]

if that's true then Ran != Agnostic

How do you figure?

Agnostic - A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown.

Atheist - Rejects all religious belief and denies the existence of God or supernatural power.

I don't reject the idea altogether, but I do think there is a higher power. Am I commited to that belief? Not really. I am very open to fact that there could be no God, gods, or afterlife. I just tend to sway towards the religious front.

[ShooterMcGavin]

How do you figure?

Agnostic - A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown.

Atheist - Rejects all religious belief and denies the existence of God or supernatural power.

I don't reject the idea altogether, but I do think there is a higher power. Am I commited to that belief? Not really. I am very open to fact that there could be no God, gods, or afterlife. I just tend to sway towards the religious front.

you sir need to relearn the CORRECT AND COMPLETE definition of an agnostic.

agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

in either case, you just said in an earlier post that you do believe there IS a god, which earned you an ejection from the agnostic ballpark

[Ran]

in either case, you just said in an earlier post that you do believe there IS a god, which earned you an ejection from the agnostic ballpark

It is my belief that is some sort of higher, but I'm not against being proved wrong since it hasn't be proven as fact. I judge cases both for and against religious beliefs. To be honest, there's as much going for religion as there is against it. It is my belief, or suspicion rather, that there is some form of God, higher power, afterlife or whatever. However, I am not firm on the idea and am open to adjusting my perception should the evidence present itself. My previous statements may have been misleading in my stance since it's a bit difficult to depict properly without seeming to prefer one side over the over.

If you wanted to, I suppose you could refer to me as "spiritual" maybe? But even then, I'm not sure.

[ShooterMcGavin]

It is my belief that is some sort of higher, but I'm not against being proved wrong since it hasn't be proven as fact. I judge cases both for and against religious beliefs. To be honest, there's as much going for religion as there is against it. It is my belief, or suspicion rather, that there is some form of God, higher power, afterlife or whatever. However, I am not firm on the idea and am open to adjusting my perception should the evidence present itself. My previous statements may have been misleading in my stance since it's a bit difficult to depict properly without seeming to prefer one side over the over.

If you wanted to, I suppose you could refer to me as "spiritual" maybe? But even then, I'm not sure.

lol, i'm just giving you grief. i understand the difficulty in truly explaining ones beliefs and being able to categorize it as i too was agnostic for a while until my beliefs/views shifted even more. now i don't categorize myself as one anymore.

[Ran]

lol, i'm just giving you grief. i understand the difficulty in truly explaining ones beliefs and being able to categorize it as i too was agnostic for a while until my beliefs/views shifted even more. now i don't categorize myself as one anymore.

I figured as such, but it's good to explain it clearly anyway.

What are you now? If you don't mind me asking.

[99hatch]

you sir need to relearn the CORRECT AND COMPLETE definition of an agnostic.

agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

in either case, you just said in an earlier post that you do believe there IS a god, which earned you an ejection from the agnostic ballpark

To me Agnostic is not a believe. It is just a cop out for someone who cant make up their mind. Im not trying to call you out personally, im just saying that people made up Agnostic like it was a religion, but really its just saying you have no clue what you want to believe but you dont want to be called and athiest or a christian for that matter. But Agnostics truely have no belief. That is whats aggravating to me about those who claim Agnostic. If you are unsure in your beliefs i can understand that, everyone has doubt because you dont know 100%. As humans we like proof that we can see/hear/touch, and everything in life is not that way. To me as a Christian i feel that i have proof, although its not something i can necessarly see/hear/touch, but it something i can see through my spiritual side. You have to feel it.

To me there is way too much proof in the world to prove that there is a GOD. You can look at soo much in the world and see it plainly. Think about things like, Pregnacy for instance. How could we go from a sperm to a baby in 9 months just by chances. So one day we are one cell organisims and then later down the road we are having babies through lifes cycle. Look at the eco system how everything is so incredibly complex yet all fits together perfectly. This is not just because some dot happend to explode and dust particles formed humans, etc. Even at first if you dont want to believe in Christianity and Jesus, you almost have to believe there is a God. Someone had to create this world that is so perfectly integrated.

[Ran]

To me Agnostic is not a believe. It is just a cop out for someone who cant make up their mind. Im not trying to call you out personally, im just saying that people made up Agnostic like it was a religion, but really its just saying you have no clue what you want to believe but you dont want to be called and athiest or a christian for that matter. But Agnostics truely have no belief. That is whats aggravating to me about those who claim Agnostic. If you are unsure in your beliefs i can understand that, everyone has doubt because you dont know 100%. As humans we like proof that we can see/hear/touch, and everything in life is not that way.

Nobody ever claimed Agnosticism to be a religion. It's an identifier or classification if anything. By your argument, you say that it's okay to have doubt since we're human, but it's aggrivating that agnostics have this doubt. That's either really confusing or I'm mixing your words up.

To say that agnostics have no belief is kind of generalizing everyone who is questioning the supernatural. For a lot of people it's not a cop out. We're not Christian but we're not Atheist. We're undecided due to a lack of evidence for either argument. It's just a term to idenify our stance while we pursue answers.

I'm sure you weren't trying to be offensive, I just wanted to try and clarify.

[99hatch]

Yeah i was thinking about it after i typed it and i didnt mean to say religion. I just mean that the term Agnostic is kinda a cop out. People have doubts and they dont want to stand on one side of the fence or the other. But i have just known some people that said they were agnostic and meant it like it was their belief system (this is what i was implying not religion sorry for that). IMO Agnostic is a belief that you have no beliefs. Know what i mean. I wasnt trying to say that people who are unsure are copping out but more the term in general. Like it says in the definitionthat was posted earlier:


agnostic according to MB:
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something

[ShooterMcGavin]

To me Agnostic is not a believe. It is just a cop out for someone who cant make up their mind. Im not trying to call you out personally, im just saying that people made up Agnostic like it was a religion, but really its just saying you have no clue what you want to believe but you dont want to be called and athiest or a christian for that matter. But Agnostics truely have no belief. That is whats aggravating to me about those who claim Agnostic. If you are unsure in your beliefs i can understand that, everyone has doubt because you dont know 100%. As humans we like proof that we can see/hear/touch, and everything in life is not that way. To me as a Christian i feel that i have proof, although its not something i can necessarly see/hear/touch, but it something i can see through my spiritual side. You have to feel it.

lol of course agnosticism isn't a RELIGION, there ain't sh*t to follow or praise/worship genius. it is however a belief that's no more crazy than the other beliefs out there. to call it a cop out is absolutely ridiculous, since when did it become a cop out to openly admit that you aren't sure about something and may still be seeking out answers?