Me personally dont like anyone in the campaign but obama is alright Hilary is a Dike and Mccain just isnt known
Me personally dont like anyone in the campaign but obama is alright Hilary is a Dike and Mccain just isnt known
Economically Hillary does not believe in free trade, I had to go fetch the quote but she states:
"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."
Uhh.. free trade is what this economy is built on and you as a business owner should see the detriment of that line of thinking. She already wants to garnish wages, what if she came in tomorrow and said Brian.. you're making too much money so after a certain amount of profit the government will seize the rest of the revenue you bring in? She has proposed this by the way..
Its true, George Bush has personally toured these United States with a wrecking ball and destroyed American business.Originally Posted by WHAT_LAG
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Please. George bush is amazingly incompetent. He has never been good at anything he's done. Fighter pilot, fail. Oil baron, fail. As a politician, his administration will be remembered as one of, if not the, most disastrous in our history... but... BUT... that being said.
His incompetent fiscal policy making did not sink businesses left and right. America has experienced typical, if unremarkable, economic growth during his two terms (and despite popular misconception, no recession).
He could have done better. He could have done so very much better. I could sit here all night and tell you everything he could have done and what the results could have been. But what it comes right down to is, he didn't **** things up that bad.
U.S. Economy > George Bush's unparalleled incompetence
Some free trade economists have recently begun to express their own doubts concerning the concept and practice of free trade. Alan S. Blinder, for example, a professor of economics at Princeton University, and former Federal Reserve Board vice chairman and advisor to Democratic presidential candidates, had previously argued, along with most economists, that free trade enriches the U.S. and its trading partners. However, he now says new communication technology will put 30-40 million American jobs at risk in 10-20 years. Blinder has not completely rejected free trade or Ricardo's ideas about comparative advantage, but he advocates greater protection for displaced workers and an improved education system. Blinder opposed steel, aluminum and farming export subsidies and protection, and pushed for the passage of NAFTA, though he did not agree that it would create jobs in the US. Trade changes types of jobs, not the number, he said. Technology allowed Indians in call centers to do the work of Americans at lower wages. "Tens of millions of additional American workers will start to experience an element of job insecurity that has heretofore been reserved for manufacturing workers.
Free trade is good to a point, but it has cost a lot of americans jobs. It will only get worse as years go on. Also take account for how many american owned businesses that have packed up and move over sees and opened up shop. If you search it there are a lot of those businesses.
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I will give him credit that in his first four years he helped businesses, but in his last four he ripped down what he helped before.
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There will always be the minority academic dissent. If our society is dilligent and driven, said "lost jobs" will indeed simply become new jobs of a different type. If people aren't serious about aqcuiring new skills or a greater education, this will not happen.
Free trade and globalization are both unstoppable forces and inevitable realities. America can either adapt and thrive or restrict free trade gradually and choke our economy.
As much as I hate building arguments around statistics, that all the more evidence an economist has. And they don't support your statement.
I seriously laugh at those that cry out how we need a change because "it's time for a woman president" or "it's time for a minority president".
Screw you and your narrow-minded perception of what we need. We DON'T NEED a woman or minority president. We NEED a president that is knowledgable, competent, and can help bring this country back to life.
wow, you are SOOO right.. but IMO, bush has done the best he can under the conditions he has.. we do need someone that is going to take control and pick up where GwB left off and KEEP the US a superpower, NOT jsut be nice to everyone
Superpower doesn't mean international police. The European Union is becoming very strong through fiscal policy, same with China and Japan. At the current rate we will be at the mercy of other countries who dealt with their domestic issues rather than stuck their nose in every little tiff across the globe, especially those involving oil.
Reagan dealt with Russia through diplomacy, not once did we attack them and we came out on top. Diplomacy works and diplomacy saves lives, those that we call our enemy today could easily become an ally. Bush's policy does not save lives, it costs the taxpayers BILLIONS and it tarnishes our position across the globe and you want to continue that???
Even if Obama were Muslim (which he is NOT) so freakin' what? You mean to tell me that someone's religion makes them a better person, politician, and/or president? Give m a break! Apparently being a "God fearin' Christian" doesn't make a difference. If that were the case, GW wouldn't go down in history as one of, if not THE, worst president(s) in US history. Based on what I know, killing is very anti-Christian. With that beign the case, why is it ok for a christian to have the military kill at his command? So many republicans are so quick to boast about America and how great it is because of all of it's freedom but, are quick to turn that statement around when it best suits them. If this country were what it is supposed to be, why would it matter what Obama's religion or religious background was? As long as his religion didn't interfere with his JOB as president, why does it matter? Would he somehow make you any less christian or weaken your faith? The president is a political leader, not a religious or spiritual leader. I don't need anyone ANYONE trying to steer my faith. I'm voting for the person that will best fit the JOB of President of the US. Call me naive but, I think my GOD understands that.
MARTA must go to voting stations.
Are you typing all of this off of a cue card?
Seriously, you are doing nothing but paroting the same old tired Republican rhetoric....
I wish that people would start voting based on the issues and what the candidate stands for rather than by some ridiculous loyalty to a certain party line. Sheep make me laugh.
Pick up where he left off or did you really mean pick up the pieces?
He's done the best that he could under the conditions? Wow. So you're ok with making do and not making things happen? How underachieving of you.
The stats don't lie... Bush has royally fuked this country on so many different levels.
How do you justify the senseless and truly asinine war in Iraq?
How do you comfort the mothers and wives and children of all the young and not so young soldiers that have lost their lives fighting a war that was a fallacy based on lies and misleading bs?
How do you explain the sudden need to issue rebates to taxpayers under the guise of jump starting what is obviously a stagnant economy?
The US a "superpower"? That is laughable.
Our arrogance has led us to believe this as true but on international scale, we are viewed as a joke. We are not respected, rather we are viewed as a joke. A bully, nothing more....
The fact of the matter is most Americans who are not hiding behind your veil of ignorance are waking up to the fact that drastic change is needed immediately.
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I'll finish by saying that Bush's time in office has been disastrous for us and he is to blame. That being said, you're taking your criticisms into the realm of bull**** which isn't cool either.
How so?
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you've been overseas or spoken to someone who lives abroad?
Do you have any idea what the general sentiment is towards Americans worldwide?
AND when in recent history has the US government had to take such drastic measures as those that are presently being taken.?
Please show me another "SUPERPOWER" that has taken such a measure...
Oh, and you can drop the condescending attitude anytime now. I think you overestimate yourself.
race aside and sex aside, hilary is NOT going to win. get over it, cry all you want. just not going to happen.
i dont agree with everything any one candidate stands for, and im pretty sure most people are the same way. i will more than likely vote republican, because at the moment the democrats are complete liberals, and i am conservative. there is no median, they are all extreme(at least the candidates with a chance at candidacy). getting us out of iraq immediately is going to make us look like a pansy is running the country and anyone can run over us. having us send more troops is not the answer either. there are other issues i really dont feel like i need to argue any of them, someone is going to nag one way or the other. vote how you want.
refer back to south park. remember the episode where they were bickering back and forth between the liberals and the conservatives? "if you dont like it, you can get out"[irrelavant but i love the quote] cartman 'went back in time' and asked the forefathers. their solution(john adams maybe?) was we need the pansy's so people dont think we are all hateful evil sob's and terrorize us/start a wa. and we need the evil hateful sob's so people dont think we are all pansies and they can overrun us and terrorize us/start a war. so quit bashing one another.
vote for who you want, and let the best candidate win, IMO. i just hope whoever wins doesnt drag us into the gutter more than we already are, or into a new one for the next 4 years.
and ps. if you democrats were smart then you would vote for obama. im not a fan, but he has a chance to win, hilary does not. everyone will wind up voting republican if its hilary vs. republican. MY OPINION. flame all you want.
I will flame at you referring to a south park episode to TRY and get your silly point across
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Yes, I am being condescending and overestimating myself because I told you that you were using bull**** to further your argument. Please sir, very petty.
I suppose when you invoked the intentionally vague "drastic measures" you meant things like the invasion turned simmering guerilla conflict in Afghanistan or the invasion for a million shady reasons turned simmering civil war in Iraq and our inability to completely pacify either.
The USSR, with one of the two most potent armed forces, occupied Afghanistan with twice as many troops as the current U.S. backed coalition in Afghanistan and still failed to pacify ANY hostility there after ten years.
As for Iraq, the Neo-Cons decided they could deny China more oil and bankroll the military industrial complex at the same time. Its no surprise that it eventually turned to civil war with two closely settled religious groups with hundreds of years of acrimonious history between the two and a lack of extremely heavy handed discipline to keep them in line.
Both states of affair utilize an unacceptable amount of U.S. military assets and dilute the amount of power we can project internationally. But neither are contrary to a country with military, economic and political superpower status.
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Amazingly vague.....LOL....And so is your rebuttal....
Being that you oppose my views and being that you're the omnipotent super brain that you'd like to believe yourself to be, surely you'd have an answer for what you deem as being bullshyt, correct?.
Like I have stated before and like other people have pointed out already, you give yourself way too much credit. Your pseudo intellectual act is not impressing anyone here.
If "drastic measures" isn't vague I don't know what is. zzzzz. Check previous page.
I'll express exactly what you said but in an intentionally dumb way so you get a hint.
"THE US IS DOING CRAZY THINGZ. REFUTE THIS CLAIM."
Please. I'm not going to sit here and explore every possibility that could be concealed under that rather large umbrella.
If anyone here is being pseudo intellectual its not me, considering I specifically refuted your statements from the first post and afterwards all you had to offer me was something as specific as "drastic measures", which even if it was true, would not be contrary to a country holding superpower status.
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Ok well I am fixing to state my point. I wouldn't vote for obama this year period, if he ran next term he would have my vote. Just because someone promises change doesn't mean it will happen that is for Tony. I don't care if he is black or white, he's not ready.
For the idiot who is calling democrats stupid, he is a idiot. There is not one republican who has made any sense what so ever, during their debates. The republicans running for office are just as stupid as the one, who is in office. Republicans were talking about how good Bush was for the office his first go around, and he has let everyone down since. He is a redneck racist sumbish, who has lied to the country for damn near eight years. We are fighting for a means to a end to a war we should have never went to.
Our country isn't the police for every other country, in this world. This is the soul reason our country has gone to sh!t. Take care of your own before reaching out to others.
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I'm impressed by your ability to regurgitate googled info....
YOU SURE SHOWED ME!
and secondly, that is definitely not what I was refering to but then again, Mr. omnipotent, you so should been able to see that.....
I didn't google it nor would it make the information any less valid if I did (and it was valid). More over, omnipotence is absolute power over the universe, not the ability to know your thoughts. That's omniscience. zzzz. At least get that right.I'm impressed by your ability to regurgitate googled info....
YOU SURE SHOWED ME!
and secondly, that is definitely not what I was refering to but then again, Mr. omnipotent, you so should been able to see that.....
You are indeed BSing and this post I've quoted is evidence of that, whenever you'd like to state, support and explain your position I'd be happy to have a discussion with you. You aren't doing any but the first at the moment.
Trade with all countries and hostility towards none is the best foreign policy.
It will never work
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The EU nations prove it does. China, commonly touted as the "evil communist empire" ( there's some pretty shady stuff going on within the country, but its not THAT bad), also proves it does. Taiwan doesn't count.
This is the info I've found.... I'm def for Huckabee. I don't think he'll win, but hopefully he can be VP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
A theme of Obama's keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and the title of his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, was inspired by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.[136] In Chapter 6 of the book, titled "Faith," Obama writes that he "was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known." He describes his Kenyan father as "raised a Muslim," but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." The chapter details how Obama, in his twenties, while working with local churches as a community organizer, came to understand "the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change." Obama writes: "It was because of these newfound understandings—that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved—that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized."[137] He has been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years.
Look how cute he is! http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewid...?itemId=156269
Lol...
lol superpower..... the Us is loosing its grasop over the world. The war has turned out to be pointless and a waste of money thus far. There is nothing you can say to defend it, b/c its all bogus.
Don't worry about it man, any time you state something other than general knowledge some will assume it comes from google as if people don't open books any more.
truthfully, im upset colbert got booted out. im more fond of him than any other candidates. he wasnt very serious, but whatever he acts more practical on tv.
I'm not sure how any of that business about Obama's background is significant except being indicative how someone who isn't a religious headcase.
obama did sweep the primaries held yesterday
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Obama Wins Virginia
By DAVID ESPO, AP
Tue Feb 12, 7:49 PM EST
Sen. Barack Obama won the Virginia primary Tuesday night and reached out for victories in nearby Maryland and the District of Columbia, determined to erode or even erase Hillary Rodham Clinton's delegate lead in the Democratic presidential race. Obama's triumph made it six straight over Clinton, the former first lady, now struggling in a race she once commanded.
Interviews with voters leaving the polls showed blacks accounted for nearly one-third of the ballots cast in Virginia, and Obama's share approached 90 percent. He and Clinton split the white vote. She led among white women, but he was preferred by a majority of white men.
He beat her when it comes to Latino vote and lower class voters.. a segment he had not touched in previous primaries.
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