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[Jaimecbr900]

First of all, if someone is attending school for 4 years to obtain a "general" degree, then he/she need to be caned.

Really? Why? Because they chose a course of study which is far more versitale and flexible than a fancy specialized one??? :confused:

Generality in regards to education, gets very little pay, hence the reason I mentioned HR. BTW, more firms would rather give a grad with a MBA a chance than a schmuck with a just a BA degree.

Really? How many people have YOU hired for a job? Then how would YOU know what employers are looking for and aren't?

I'll tell you from experience of hiring more than 50 different employees that what I look for has very little to do with book knowledge and a whole lot to do with experience. You can't be taught experience. Education gets your foot in the door to get that experience, but once you have the experience it trumps "degrees" everytime. So don't talk down to anyone with a degree that you deem lesser than yours. Someday you may have to call that person "sir or boss".....

How can you advise someone to choose a career before they select a major? Most incoming freshman dont' even know what they want for lunch let alone their career choice. That's the reason they have 2 years to think about it while taking their core classes. After, that...the pressure is on.

That's why most college students waste their time chasing false hope and non-existent jobs, because they think they have all the time in the world to decide which way to go. If you don't have an idea of what you want to do AFTER college, then why go??? Because you "think" it's gonna help you???? Because your momma wanted you to???? Don't you think it would be smarter for you to have some kind of idea of where you wanted to be after 4 yrs of work and studies rather than floudering around and taking classes just to take classes just to say you're going to school??? Why not have a career in mind, find out what course of study THAT requires, and simply take that path???? What's so difficult about that? Not everyone is going to be an engineer with a big firm building skyscrappers in New York. Not everyone wants to be a doctor or nurse. Some people want to have a general degree that is able to work for them in a variety of different positions in some type of field. Why should they waste their time and money on getting an "engineering" degree when a BA would suffice????? What good is an "engineering" degree to a Bank President or a Web designer????

[C22H19N3O4]

I'll tell you from experience of hiring more than 50 different employees that what I look for has very little to do with book knowledge and a whole lot to do with experience. You can't be taught experience. Education gets your foot in the door to get that experience, but once you have the experience it trumps "degrees" everytime. So don't talk down to anyone with a degree that you deem lesser than yours. Someday you may have to call that person "sir or boss"

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not in awe of your vast hiring experience. Hiring 50 people does not make you a career advisor. Again, I find it amusing that you're giving "advice" solely based on your limited knowledge. Are you recruiting CEOs? Perhaps a few CFO's? Apparently, you want to generalize about what you perceive to be true when it comes to a college degree.

Really? Why? Because they chose a course of study which is far more versitale and flexible than a fancy specialized one???

You call it versatility, I call it a cop out. That's why the market is over saturated with lone Business degrees and people willing to work for under $30k a year. Perhaps I view things differently since I know what I want as a career and always have. I'm sure you do understand that many career choices REQUIRE specialized degrees and licensing, therefore better compensation. Let me know if you can find a Pharmacist with just a BS...lol.
Just out of curiosity...are you one of those old timers that thinks "fancy book learnin" isn't necessary? No matter how much experience you have, in an ideal coporate environment ( I don't know where you work) degrees will get your foot in the door. Perhaps we are viewing things at diff levels or perhaps you have lower standards. JP Morgan is not going to care you managed a Wendy's or have the real life experience you wholeheartedly advocate. They want to know what you graduated with and the school you attended. But again, a specialized Business degree requires at least a semester of internship, so getting hired on somewhere after that should not be an issue. In the long run, a degree and experience will get you further.

[Jaimecbr900]

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not in awe of your vast hiring experience.

If your opinion of me mattered I'd be hurt.

Hiring 50 people does not make you a career advisor. Again, I find it amusing that you're giving "advice" solely based on your limited knowledge. Are you recruiting CEOs? Perhaps a few CFO's?

#1 that's 50 more people than YOU've ever hired. #2 What should be amuzing to you is how a snot nosed kid like yourself would remotely think that if MY knowledge is "limited"......what do you call yours???? Non-existent???? Yet, you want to talk down to me about a degree you DON'T even have yet, a career that hasn't even started, and money you THINK is guaranteed.

Unlike you pal, I've BEEN to college, I've GRADUATED college, I've been in the job market longer than you've been alive probably, I've interviewed for a number of professional positions, I've been everything from the peon to management, I own my own company, AND I do KNOW exactly what to look for in prospects for employment because that IS one MY duties as a business owner. So you see my arrogant young friend, I don't give one single rat's ass if you want to listen to what I'm saying or not. MY life is already made, so you listening or not to my advice will not change that or make me lose a wink of sleep. YOU on the other hand are still wet behind the ears and if you continue to chase dollars that may not exist instead of sense, you'll remain wet behind the ears the rest of your life. Wanna bet?

Perhaps I view things differently since I know what I want as a career and always have.

Perhaps. Although I've asked for you to disclose those grandious plans of yours to see if you are being realistic or not and for some reason you've decided not to. Once again; why don't you just tell us what your MAJOR is and what JOB it is that is GUARANTEED to you upon your graduation that will net you all this money you're seeking?????? Remember, a J-O-B is the only thing that will net you $. Words on a piece of paper are meaningless w/o one. Agree or disagree?

I'm sure you do understand that many career choices REQUIRE specialized degrees and licensing, therefore better compensation. Let me know if you can find a Pharmacist with just a BS...lol.

To be honest, if this question is a sign of your student skills as a READER......college may not be for you sir.....I've said that and even used Pharmacists as an example myself since one of my first posts on this subject. So to answer your inquiry, yes I do understand that SOME career choices REQUIRE a specialized degree. I do. I said it already like 10 times. I've also said that if your career choice DOES NOT fall into those few specialized only fields for what you want to do AFTER graduation, then it would silly to chose a specialized field in the first place simply because you read somewhere that "it made money". Got it now or are you gonna keep arguing with me about that???

Just out of curiosity...are you one of those old timers that thinks "fancy book learnin" isn't necessary?

No, but at the same time I'm not dumb enough to fantasize that all I need to "learn" comes from a book either. And I also KNOW that there are far more things that you learn that are NOT taught in school too.

No matter how much experience you have, in an ideal coporate environment ( I don't know where you work) degrees will get your foot in the door.

Again, your reading skills are a bit lack luster since I said that already. BTW, your statement should read, ".....degrees will get your foot in the door TOO ". There are far more positions for people with a degree AND experience than there are for people with merely a degree. That's what I've been saying all along and you want to fight me tooth and nail for it.

Perhaps we are viewing things at diff levels or perhaps you have lower standards. JP Morgan is not going to care you managed a Wendy's or have the real life experience you wholeheartedly advocate. They want to know what you graduated with and the school you attended.

Or perhaps your smugness clouds your judgement?

JP Morgan may not care about a former Wendy's manager, but do you honestly think that YOU and ONLY you are the one's bidding for that JP Morgan job????? Something you keep failing to acknowledge is that YOU are NOT going to be the ONLY one bidding for that JP Morgan job sir. YOU are only 1 of many my man. And I'm telling YOU that when you are bidding for a job a "degree" is ONLY 1 of many factors used when considering someone for a position. IF it's the ONLY thing you have, you WILL rank near the bottom of the totem pole IF other applicants have ANY degree AND experience. So in other words, there are quite a few times where ANY degree is perfectly fine but NO experience isn't. So when you are going against someone that has a degree that YOU deem "lesser" or as you call it...."a cop out"....BUT they have more experience than YOU......you'll call that person sir or boss soon enough my friend. That's LIFE. That is REALITY. YOU don't want to believe it, good for you. One day you'll find out the hard way then.

BTW, did you even consider that most high end professional jobs aren't simply posted in the Sunday paper? Did you consider the fact that most high end positions are promoted from WITHIN or RECRUITED??? Do you think that all those high end offers are gonna magically gonna pour in when you get to turn your tassel from the left to the right???? So once again, like I've said a gazillion times, EXPERIENCE will trump a degree when the degree is the ONLY thing you have.

In the long run, a degree and experience will get you further.

The absolute most intelligent thing you've said EVER. Too bad I've said like a hundred times already. But I'm glad you're now arguing the case for the prosecution rather than the defense......

[ruah_23]

Perhaps. Although I've asked for you to disclose those grandious plans of yours to see if you are being realistic or not and for some reason you've decided not to. Once again; why don't you just tell us what your MAJOR is and what JOB it is that is GUARANTEED to you upon your graduation that will net you all this money you're seeking?????? Remember, a J-O-B is the only

He's doing his Pharmacy degree Jamie.It's one of the specialized degree that's why he doesn't understand ur concept at all this whole time, but he's stubborn enough to accept ur opinions.

[C22H19N3O4]

He's doing his Pharmacy degree Jamie.It's one of the specialized degree that's why he doesn't understand ur concept at all this whole time, but he's stubborn enough to accept ur opinions.

[ruah_23]

I don't see how my previous post amused you?:confused:

[C22H19N3O4]

He's doing his Pharmacy degree Jamie..

I think he realizes that after 2 days of exchanges, but thanks for your informative post. If you have something of value to add please feel free.

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