Organized Religion

[Maniaç]

Ok, we get it. Its all about faith, lolol. Im pretty sure we already knew that, or atleast I did.

[Jaimecbr900]

Ok, we get it. Its all about faith, lolol. Im pretty sure we already knew that, or atleast I did.

I don't think you do. If you believe that someone's "will" is what makes them live or die, you certainly don't get it. If you believe the Bible is all made up stories, then you certainly don't get it. I really don't think you do get it.

You want to know why babies die? Read. The reason is in every religious book from the Bible to the Q'uran. You may not like it. You may not agree with it, but it's there.

You wanna know why ANYONE dies? Same answer.

So according to your theory, a person dies NOT because it's "their time" but because they didn't have a strong enough "will"??? Trust me, there are 100 yr old people that would love to live forever and don't. Just like there are plenty of young people that meet the same outcome. So what you're saying is that all of those deaths could have been over come simply by having a strong will to stay alive? Well, that's fine, but it only goes to show once again how it is possible to believe something that CAN'T be scientifically proven, right? I mean, there is no Will-o-meter to measure it with, right? So according to the scientific community, your theory because it can't be proven by fancy smancy tests must not be true. You can't TOUCH "will", can you? You can't smell it, can you? So how can it exist while FAITH can not?

[Maniaç]

I don't think you do. If you believe that someone's "will" is what makes them live or die, you certainly don't get it. If you believe the Bible is all made up stories, then you certainly don't get it. I really don't think you do get it.

You want to know why babies die? Read. The reason is in every religious book from the Bible to the Q'uran. You may not like it. You may not agree with it, but it's there.

You wanna know why ANYONE dies? Same answer.

So according to your theory, a person dies NOT because it's "their time" but because they didn't have a strong enough "will"??? Trust me, there are 100 yr old people that would love to live forever and don't. Just like there are plenty of young people that meet the same outcome. So what you're saying is that all of those deaths could have been over come simply by having a strong will to stay alive? Well, that's fine, but it only goes to show once again how it is possible to believe something that CAN'T be scientifically proven, right? I mean, there is no Will-o-meter to measure it with, right? So according to the scientific community, your theory because it can't be proven by fancy smancy tests must not be true. You can't TOUCH "will", can you? You can't smell it, can you? So how can it exist while FAITH can not?

You probably didn't really understand what I was trying to say on my previous post. So I will explain; Faith is something that this subject will always turn into. Just like you stated earlier. Of course that is going to happen cause people that believe or choose to believe it rely on a path to happiness. Which is understanable but come on lets be realistic. Do you or any other person believe in a place where butterflys are flying over some flowers and the tooth fairy is talking to Santa? Or a place where people are crying for help and asking for forgivness cause of their wrong doing? Burning all day getting treated by animals, yet feeling pain? How can you if you're are no longer living?

Im not a type of person to believe that, why. Cause I made that decision as I was growning up. People always say, I was brought up like this I have a very religous family, so do I. Yet why am I not following the bible like its my guide to happiness?

Your post up there did make alot of sense, yes "will" can't be proven. But "will" is something thats all around us, from huge animals to microscopic ones. Im not saying that it can be proven, cause like alot of us already know, alot of things in the world can NOT. If you believe in the bible and all of its fary tails, thats cool. Im not calling you wrong, I was just giving my opinion on the subject. What gets to me is why there is so many religions if we're all supposed to be following GOD? I grew up as a catholic yet have been to a christian church before. Not really the same thing, and I ask myself, why aren't they? Cause over the time people have switched it to what they wanted it to be? Or cause GOD made it this way? Who knows. That gets me thinking but its nothing I can't live without, you know.

We are getting off topic, yet this subject will always end of the same. Long ass posts with the same old thing, shit even my Big bang theory thread turned into this. Its pretty cool reading other peoples point of view, but to me its all kinda childish to believe in things that have never been proven and probably never will. Just like "will", it also is childish but it makes alot more sense, TO ME! Which may be saying, ok I believe in "will" but not faith? Why, aren't they the same? No, cause faith is believing or praying that a savior will help you at the end, yet "will" is something you rely on, something you have inside youself. blah blah, should I continue?

[ISAtlanta300]

Burning all day getting treated by animals, yet feeling pain? How can you if you're are no longer living?[/color]

Have you ever dreamt of eating a certain food, f**king a girl (wet dream), or even dreaming and seeing stuff that you swore were real?

How can you, if your eyes were closed and you were unconscious?

[Maniaç]

Have you ever dreamt of eating a certain food, f**king a girl (wet dream), or even dreaming and seeing stuff that you swore were real?

How can you, if your eyes were closed and you were unconscious?

Pretty stupid comment, not only can we do that when we're alseep. But also when we're awake. Thoughts are nothing more and nothing less than a brain process, just like what you're saying. Our body may be unconscious but our mind isn't. Therfore your post makes not sense at all.

Are you trying to say that faith and dreams have alot in common? Please explain.

[ISAtlanta300]

Pretty stupid comment, not only can we do that when we're alseep. But also when we're awake. Thoughts are nothing more and nothing less than a brain process, just like what you're saying. Our body may be unconscious but our mind isn't. Therfore your post makes not sense at all.

Are you trying to say that faith and dreams have alot in common? Please explain.

No I was trying to say that you don't really need to be physically 'touched' to feel pain, or sensations... or fear.....

Also some people believe that whatever part of your mind which makes you "you" is what survives after you die....... your 'soul' so to speak.... and if this is true... this part could easly be tortured......

[Maniaç]

No I was trying to say that you don't really need to be physically 'touched' to feel pain, or sensations... or fear.....

Its called our five senses, again, nothing more and nothing less than a brain process.

Also some people believe that whatever part of your mind which makes you "you" is what survives after you die....... your 'soul' so to speak.... and if this is true... this part could easly be tortured......

Are you kidding me? Do you seriously believe that? Something that hasn't been discovered will live on as our after life "identity", hmm think about it for a sec. So you think our soul is that special part that holds us from dying? No, if our heart or brain for some reason stop functioning we automatically die! No buts about it, thats life man. We live in the real world, wake up from that dream you're living.

[Hulud]

Have you ever dreamt of eating a certain food, f**king a girl (wet dream), or even dreaming and seeing stuff that you swore were real?

How can you, if your eyes were closed and you were unconscious?

1, they werent real
2, its your brain sorting everything

[The12lber]

While the actual dream is metaphysical in nature, dreaming is a natural biological process and has been studied by countless neurologists using the scientific process. It has nothing to do with anything explicitly supernatural in nature or your communication with any supernatural forces.

[ISAtlanta300]

While the actual dream is metaphysical in nature, dreaming is a natural biological process and has been studied by countless neurologists using the scientific process. It has nothing to do with anything explicitly supernatural in nature or your communication with any supernatural forces.

I was not suggesting that either.