6 reasons why god exist...

[PhAtBoYMr2]

Thought this was a really good read...



http://www.everychicowildcat.com/isthere.php
I made the 6 topics all big and shit. saw this in a facebook fliar

Is There a God?
Does God exist? Is there proof of God? The following offers candid, straight-forward reasons to believe in the existence of God...

By Marilyn Adamson

Download PDF versionJust once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.
But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons supporting the existence of God...
1. The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
2. The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it. The human brain simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?
3. "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations. The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?
Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.
4. To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God. This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.
There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence--arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?
5. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him. I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, disillusioned people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."
Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.
6. Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God pursuing us. Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.
He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."8 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."9
What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.10
Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.
Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."11 This is God, in action.
Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."12
God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind
Faith.


Cliffs: Start Praying!!!

[d1esel12]

AMEN

[Sol-Badguy]

To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.

PEER PRESSURE!!

[PhAtBoYMr2]

I believe there is a god...I mean most of everything that's happening now has already been proven by the bible... But i guess we'll just have to wait and see....

[ueyedgr8tness]

I believe there is a god...I mean most of everything that's happening now has already been proven by the bible... But i guess we'll just have to wait and see....

100% RIGHT look were it says in 1 chapter about in the end u want be able to tell the season<and look at it hot 1 day and cold another feb we had 67 dg weather wow how could u not believe in the bible and god

[C22H19N3O4]

...I mean most of everything that's happening now has already been proven by the bible.

REALLY? So it's an irrefutable fact that God exists? What a relief!

...1) Mathmatically improbable - approx 10_37 (10 to the 37th power) against it. Imagine having a pile of dimes that cover every square inch of North America - and go all the way to the moon. Now multiple that huge pile of dimes by 1 billion. So you have 1 billion piles of dimes that are EACH the size of NOrth America and are as tall as from here to the moon. Take one dime, mark it, and hide it somewhere in one of those 1 billion piles. Blindfold someone, and have them pick out that one dime at random. The odds of getting that marked dime is 10_37.
2) Read "Darwin's Black Box" - it specifically addresses our DNA strains scientifically, and shows how DNA is, basically in the simpliest terms, and instruction manual. It can give a mutation of "use an 1/8 nut" in place of the correct "use a 1/4 nut; but it cannot have you make a transistor radio when the instructions are for a printer.
3) That's not necessarily true - maybe you just aren't smart enough yet.
4) Anyone can believe what they want - but that does not necessarily make it true or untrue.
5) valid
6) valid
You being here is your proof that a higher intelligence exists. It is mathmatically improbable that this universe could come into existence without help from a greater being. What evidence do you have the evolution exists? Evolution is a sci-fi story (a good one though), that was made up by Darwin's grandfather. They did not have the scientific knowledge of the universe that we have now. How can evolution explain how the universe could come into existence? Scientific laws show that the Big Bang could not have happened. I can explain in more detail if needed.

You know what cracks me up about your posts? All you do is regurgitate "facts" from creationist websites, but you never list your source. You should give credit where credit is due. Also, you claim science isn't all that accurate, but you use science to refute science. Creation science is NOT science. There is nothing intelligent about ID. Remember you thought the Ica stones were real?

http://www.godtube.com/

[David88vert]

REALLY? So it's an irrefutable fact that God exists? What a relief!

You're here aren't you? Care to explain scientifically how the universe could come into existence without a cause/first effect? Give some facts.

You know what cracks me up about your posts? All you do is regurgitate "facts" from creationist websites, but you never list your source. You should give credit where credit is due. Also, you claim science isn't all that accurate, but you use science to refute science. Creation science is NOT science. There is nothing intelligent about ID. Remember you thought the Ica stones were real?

Care to debate DNA? Or universal design? Those facts are not from creationist sites, but from science textbooks. And I am not refuting science at all. I am discussing scientific points, and then looking at what they mean, rather than drawing a conclusion, and trying to unsuccessfully twist observations into my conclusion. And I did give you a book to read in the earlier post. Darwin's Black Box is a book. So the only thing proven unintelligent in this thread has been your post.

[Jaimecbr900]

You know what cracks me up about your posts? All you do is regurgitate "facts" from creationist websites, but you never list your source. You should give credit where credit is due.

Wow, hello pot....my name is kettle.

You regurgitate more minutia than anyone on this board in an ill fated attempt to sound remotely intelligent.

How many "books" and "scientific evidence" have YOU quoted in identical previous discussions? I didn't see any footnotes.

It boils down to one obviously blatant attempt from you to try and "baffle them with bullshit" in all of these "discussions".

Also, you claim science isn't all that accurate, but you use science to refute science. Creation science is NOT science. There is nothing intelligent about ID.

You just like to pick and choose just what "science" you think is factual and which one is not. How convenient.

BTW, LOGIC is not always based on Science. It's ironic that non-believers hold out HOPE and FAITH that someday.....in a far, far away place.....we will finally find "scientific" evidence to finally "prove" there is no God, yet you chastise other people for holding out that same HOPE and FAITH that their God is real.

Not a single "scientist" has ever CREATED life. They can duplicate it. They can dissect it. But not a single one has ever CREATED it. Why???? Because they CAN'T. Yet that same communal mindset is the one that tries to convince people that single celled organisms devoid of any brain matter somehow figured out HOW to CREATE multi-cell and infinitely more complex LIFE. Why is that? So, let's review shall we?:

YOUR infinitely wise and totally correct "science" thinks that non-existent matter crashed into each other somewhere out in outer space and with the Lucky Charms guy magically created the Universe a billion years ago, YET just a relatively short 400 yrs ago that "scientific" thinking thought the Earth was FLAT????

The only EVOLUTION non-believers need to worship is the one fact that THEY need to EVOLVE and understand that they don't know anywhere near as much as they think they do. Remember, 400 yrs ago the Earth was flat to "scientists" of the day. 400 yrs from now, if yall are still around, I'm sure you'll come up with some other truly "scientific" breakthrough......

[quickdodge®]

It's ironic that non-believers hold out HOPE and FAITH that someday.....in a far, far away place.....we will finally find "scientific" evidence to finally "prove" there is no God, yet you chastise other people for holding out that same HOPE and FAITH that their God is real.

As a sort of non believer, I would love to see proof that there is or is not a God. I think it would be awesome for everyone to know, matter-of-fact whether or not a higher power really exists. And I know that this probably wasn't directed in my general direction, but my cuts on religion are only in jest. I won't ridicule someone for their beliefs. Later, QD.

[Jaimecbr900]

As a sort of non believer, I would love to see proof that there is or is not a God. I think it would be awesome for everyone to know, matter-of-fact whether or not a higher power really exists. And I know that this probably wasn't directed in my general direction, but my cuts on religion are only in jest. I won't ridicule someone for their beliefs. Later, QD.

You don't chastise anyone on their beliefs. Viagra boy does.

I'm not sure, but I will take a stab at it.

I think that part of the reason why God doesn't simply just part the heavens and says "howdy do" may be because if you did not come to the decision that he existed on your own then how would it be fair that you reap all the same rewards as someone who didn't need that revelation to believe. Follow?

Look at it like this: Would you prefer to have a friend that is a friend by choice or a friend that someone PAYS to be your "friend"? Same idea I think. Kinda like when you have to remind someone that today is your birthday. How's their sudden, "oops, Happy Birthday." compare to someone who sought you out to TELL you "happy birthday"? Kinda makes a difference, doesn't it?

[Mr_Mischif]

My 2 biggest problems with religion, not just Christianity, but all religions are that they are SO MUCH TROUBLE and the question of good people dying young.

To the first: Every major tragic event short of the Ice age is either because of god or can be attributed to God: Example: 9/11, the Crusades, the Holocaust, what's going on in the Middle East now. It seems to me that for something that is ultimately about peace, there sure is a whole lotta war going on pertaining to it.

To the second: Why do the good people die young? The seemingly good people in the world seem to die because of a bad person's actions, like the soldiers currently fighting in Iraq, yet the bad people continue to live their lives, making money, or striking fear into the hearts of others, such as Osama Bin Laden.

Those really are the only two problem I have with organized religion. That, and their ideals are a lil bit sketchy, and they sometimes force you to do things against religion. I still like the Bible as a book of morals, but nothing else.

[Jimmy B]

My 2 biggest problems with religion, not just Christianity, but all religions are that they are SO MUCH TROUBLE and the question of good people dying young.

To the first: Every major tragic event short of the Ice age is either because of god or can be attributed to God: Example: 9/11, the Crusades, the Holocaust, what's going on in the Middle East now. It seems to me that for something that is ultimately about peace, there sure is a whole lotta war going on pertaining to it.

To the second: Why do the good people die young? The seemingly good people in the world seem to die because of a bad person's actions, like the soldiers currently fighting in Iraq, yet the bad people continue to live their lives, making money, or striking fear into the hearts of others, such as Osama Bin Laden.

Those really are the only two problem I have with organized religion. That, and their ideals are a lil bit sketchy, and they sometimes force you to do things against religion. I still like the Bible as a book of morals, but nothing else.

God allows everything to how you how good CAN come out of bad.. 3 mos ago, i lost a very good friend of mine, 20, in college, awsome student, and very blessed in what he did.... BUT, it IS Gods will, and somethign good will/has come out of it... sometimes it dosent seem fair, but he allows it for a reason

[Lucky DAWG]

My 2 biggest problems with religion, not just Christianity, but all religions are that they are SO MUCH TROUBLE and the question of good people dying young.

To the first: Every major tragic event short of the Ice age is either because of god or can be attributed to God: Example: 9/11, the Crusades, the Holocaust, what's going on in the Middle East now. It seems to me that for something that is ultimately about peace, there sure is a whole lotta war going on pertaining to it.

To the second: Why do the good people die young? The seemingly good people in the world seem to die because of a bad person's actions, like the soldiers currently fighting in Iraq, yet the bad people continue to live their lives, making money, or striking fear into the hearts of others, such as Osama Bin Laden.

Those really are the only two problem I have with organized religion. That, and their ideals are a lil bit sketchy, and they sometimes force you to do things against religion. I still like the Bible as a book of morals, but nothing else.

that has no bearing on anything.

those bad things are happening because of human beings, not because of faith in god, the multitude of religions is our own fault and is a good idea that has been messed with.

wars over religion is not a problem attributed to the existence of a God, it is a problem attributed to human pride that what they believe in is correct

[Evil Goat]

My 2 biggest problems with religion, not just Christianity, but all religions are that they are SO MUCH TROUBLE and the question of good people dying young.

To the first: Every major tragic event short of the Ice age is either because of god or can be attributed to God: Example: 9/11, the Crusades, the Holocaust, what's going on in the Middle East now. It seems to me that for something that is ultimately about peace, there sure is a whole lotta war going on pertaining to it.

To the second: Why do the good people die young? The seemingly good people in the world seem to die because of a bad person's actions, like the soldiers currently fighting in Iraq, yet the bad people continue to live their lives, making money, or striking fear into the hearts of others, such as Osama Bin Laden.

Those really are the only two problem I have with organized religion. That, and their ideals are a lil bit sketchy, and they sometimes force you to do things against religion. I still like the Bible as a book of morals, but nothing else.

one thing youve got to realize though is that god doesnt make our decisions for us, we make them ourselves, he knows what the decisions are going to be before they are ever made, but yet in still it is our choice, i believe or destiny is written, but the decisions i make on a daily basis will ultimatley lead me to that final destiny.....

my personal beliefs are that god will show you things if you are in tuned with god, i once asked a preacher was he afraid of death, and his answer was simple, yet makes me think til this day, he said "i am not afraid of death, because god has showed me things that will come to pass in my life that have not happened yet"

i have a personal belief in god, i believe jesus was the savior, and i believe in the ultimate return to claim his followers.

[joesblk_teg]

+1 good read

[Decker1.8t]

meh ...

[NewGen33]

awesome +1

[_Christian_]

my personal opinion on these arguments:
1. the earths conditions are so perfect for the life forms on it because we have evolved from it and adapted to it over billions of years
2. why does the most complex thing have to be created by a higher being? our brains are too complex so a higher intelligence is behind it. how complex is god's brain? i doubt one would argue that its less complex than a humans...so what intelligence is behind the creation of his brain.
3. if i cant explain it, it is an act of god
4. one must believe what the majority believes or else he/she is wrong
5. belief
6. belief
There is no proof that god exists. there is much scientific evidence of evolution and how we came about to be. creationism to me is just illogical. there is also no proof that he doesnt exist, but it is a lot harder to prove nonexistence than existence. Is there a god? no one KNOWS for sure so there is no correct yes or no answer.

[David88vert]

my personal opinion on these arguments:
1. the earths conditions are so perfect for the life forms on it because we have evolved from it and adapted to it over billions of years
2. why does the most complex thing have to be created by a higher being? our brains are too complex so a higher intelligence is behind it. how complex is god's brain? i doubt one would argue that its less complex than a humans...so what intelligence is behind the creation of his brain.
3. if i cant explain it, it is an act of god
4. one must believe what the majority believes or else he/she is wrong
5. belief
6. belief
There is no proof that god exists. there is much scientific evidence of evolution and how we came about to be. creationism to me is just illogical. there is also no proof that he doesnt exist, but it is a lot harder to prove nonexistence than existence. Is there a god? no one KNOWS for sure so there is no correct yes or no answer.

1) Mathmatically improbable - approx 10_37 (10 to the 37th power) against it. Imagine having a pile of dimes that cover every square inch of North America - and go all the way to the moon. Now multiple that huge pile of dimes by 1 billion. So you have 1 billion piles of dimes that are EACH the size of NOrth America and are as tall as from here to the moon. Take one dime, mark it, and hide it somewhere in one of those 1 billion piles. Blindfold someone, and have them pick out that one dime at random. The odds of getting that marked dime is 10_37.
2) Read "Darwin's Black Box" - it specifically addresses our DNA strains scientifically, and shows how DNA is, basically in the simpliest terms, and instruction manual. It can give a mutation of "use an 1/8 nut" in place of the correct "use a 1/4 nut; but it cannot have you make a transistor radio when the instructions are for a printer.
3) That's not necessarily true - maybe you just aren't smart enough yet.
4) Anyone can believe what they want - but that does not necessarily make it true or untrue.
5) valid
6) valid
You being here is your proof that a higher intelligence exists. It is mathmatically improbable that this universe could come into existence without help from a greater being. What evidence do you have the evolution exists? Evolution is a sci-fi story (a good one though), that was made up by Darwin's grandfather. They did not have the scientific knowledge of the universe that we have now. How can evolution explain how the universe could come into existence? Scientific laws show that the Big Bang could not have happened. I can explain in more detail if needed.

[greasemunkey]

my personal opinion on these arguments:
1. the earths conditions are so perfect for the life forms on it because we have evolved from it and adapted to it over billions of years
2. why does the most complex thing have to be created by a higher being? our brains are too complex so a higher intelligence is behind it. how complex is god's brain? i doubt one would argue that its less complex than a humans...so what intelligence is behind the creation of his brain.
3. if i cant explain it, it is an act of god
4. one must believe what the majority believes or else he/she is wrong
5. belief
6. belief
There is no proof that god exists. there is much scientific evidence of evolution and how we came about to be. creationism to me is just illogical. there is also no proof that he doesnt exist, but it is a lot harder to prove nonexistence than existence. Is there a god? no one KNOWS for sure so there is no correct yes or no answer.

you were created to have david88vert give a good explanation to this question see there is a God.

[shnil]

Great post. Also I believe the earth isn't billion years old, but about 6000 years old according to the bible. There is a guy named Kent Hovind that has a theory about on the Earth's creation taken from the bible's perspective. Its pretty interesting IMO.

[ahmonrah]

i look at it like this, as far as when it comes to be answered "why do the good die young?"

myself, after being struck from behind by a vehicle doing nearly 80mph, my truck exploding rolling 85 feet thru an intersection, then over a wall made of masonry and concrete that stood more that 5'3" (tasuki_civic seen the wall, i took her to my accident scene), and surviving basically unscathed?

only to have a friend that was ever hardly hurt, injured, sick, never smoke, drink, develop lung cancer and die 2 weeks past his 27th b-day. he didnt even smoke! i'm the smoker......but with him, he was completely honest in what he said to people about how he felt, even if it angered them, but they respected his unerring honesty, was loyal to those he cared about, strived for the better regardles of obstacles, looked at the word "CANT as WONT TRY" and got on people for using the word "CANT",

after his family and i buried him in our hometown of chicago last august, i sat in my hotel room teary and mad asking GOD "what did he do to deserve to die?" "why did he have to go?" and no sooner than i said that, the answer i got was "he earned it."
that's when it seemed like it all hit me
he no longer has to worry about a world in which it's:
"survival of the fittest"
"it's a dog eat dog world"
"every man for himself"
"if you dont want it i'll take it".

no more concerns about what he will have to do to stay employed. whether the chick he loves loves him for him, or what he has or can do for or to her. that dude, and plenty like him, even members of this site (r.i.p. NEGRODOMUS, and the brotha that got shot at the other guys house last month, and others that are no longer able to whore it up on here) it occurred to me that with people like them, others eerily always had no bad things to say about them. you more commonly hear things like:
"they always looked to help someone out"
"always seemed happy"
"was generous"
"didnt lie, even it if hurt, but they werent rude, just honest"
"was true about his feeling and expresed them"

in a world that has become......well for lack of a better world "FUCKED". i dont think i'd leave my good people here to suffer any more than they have to so long as they've earned the right to die, i mean, if i was god. would you leave a lamb in the care of a pack of wolves ?? hailz nah, would you let a molester open a day care ? nope. so if the good people stayed good on this earth, learned the life lessons you provided and passed your tests, why let them stay here?

dont get it twisted y'all, i'm no bible thumper. i dont try to stick myself into any religious group (because, to me religions=factions=friction=separation of all peoples based on cover titles of the book they are faithful too) i'm a dude that's stood at deaths door, wasnt allowed in and seen the things i have to do. and that's listen to the good things in myself learn the lessons i myself have to earn in this life, like we all do, and try to earn my own right.


peace

[quickdodge®]

David. My main question would be this:

If everyone wants "proof" that evolution is where we came from and all that, I'd like to see "proof" that God is where we came from. People cite instances in the Bible that can show us this proof, but it can also be explained away as people seeing what they want to see when reading. Just as others say they same about evolution.

I personally don't like having "faith" in something I can't see or hear. I have questions that no one, I mean no one, can answer. Main one being, why should I suffer for my whole life while others seem to not. I know my suffering will "lead me to a better place," but why suffer while I wait? I don't know.

And David, know I'm not arguing or trying to disprove or anything your posts or beliefs as I still have some sort of belief in the above, so please don't take it that way. Later, QD.

[David88vert]

David. My main question would be this:

If everyone wants "proof" that evolution is where we came from and all that, I'd like to see "proof" that God is where we came from. People cite instances in the Bible that can show us this proof, but it can also be explained away as people seeing what they want to see when reading. Just as others say they same about evolution.

I personally don't like having "faith" in something I can't see or hear. I have questions that no one, I mean no one, can answer. Main one being, why should I suffer for my whole life while others seem to not. I know my suffering will "lead me to a better place," but why suffer while I wait? I don't know.

And David, know I'm not arguing or trying to disprove or anything your posts or beliefs as I still have some sort of belief in the above, so please don't take it that way. Later, QD.

If you believe in God or evolution, it doesn't matter. Either takes faith. The only difference is that evolution can be disproven rather easily - but that does not mean that you cannot believe it on faith, which is completely fine.

And your posts are always fine. This is just a discussion, and will probably not change how people believe - but they should know why they believe what they do, and be able to make a reasonable arguement for it.

[C22H19N3O4]

I personally don't like having "faith" in something I can't see or hear. I have questions that no one, I mean no one, can answer. Main one being, why should I suffer for my whole life while others seem to not. I know my suffering will "lead me to a better place," but why suffer while I wait? I don't know.

I don't know if you're an avid reader, but I'm going to recommend a book by Philip Yancey. It might help to shed some light. I rarely recommend books of this nature.

[ShooterMcGavin]

lirl @ religious propaganda......i think i'm gonna go create a thread about communism and why it's great

[Lucky DAWG]

lirl @ religious propaganda......i think i'm gonna go create a thread about communism and why it's great

awesome

me, Eisenhower, and McCarthy will be ready to kick your ass

[BKgen®]

i couldn't agree more.

plus one.

[yudalicious]

If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking.

These reasons are nothing groundbreaking, just recycled stuff. To this I say -If a person wholeheartedly believes the existence of a higher power, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained that way. No amount of information is going to change their thinking. Matter of fact, pretty much every argument that's been presented in this thread is recycled form somewhere else, nothing new, nothing grand.

The problem with being Christian is that not only do you have to argue about the existence of God with us nonbelievers, you also have to argue about whose God is the real God with the Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc., lol.

[Clegger]

Wow Religion is so stupid everybody thinks there religion is the RIGHT one or the BEST one. (look at whats going on in the middle east)

And for anybody that believes that the earth is only 6000 years old... LMFAO!!!!! that means that dinosaurs and the ice age were here and gone only a few thousand years ago? And what about carbon dating?

When I see it I'll believe it. If there is some magical miracle on a global scale or Jesus come back. Then sign me up. Until then I think its all bullshit

All Religions

[TheSnail]

Wow Religion is so stupid everybody thinks there religion is the RIGHT one or the BEST one. (look at whats going on in the middle east)

And for anybody that believes that the earth is only 6000 years old... LMFAO!!!!! that means that dinosaurs and the ice age were here and gone only a few thousand years ago? And what about carbon dating?

When I see it I'll believe it. If there is some magical miracle on a global scale or Jesus come back. Then sign me up. Until then I think its all bullshit

All Religions

^^^ What he said. +1

[THEONE]

god made the earth in how many days? abraham lived to be how many years old? beleive what you wish.remeber the holy bible was translated and interpeted many many times.
1 day could have been 1000 years or 1,000,000 years . the thing is you should not question god,just have faith. im not saying goto church and become a fanatic.and i dont think he is either.
i think he gave us this life and the bible as an example of what we can and can not do or try not to do. once you know these things you live your life.when you feel you need guidance goto church see a priest or preacher or just pray.

and to me being saved is actually accepting him and doing your best to live right and do right to others. there are many rituals related to this.the end of the world is when you die,this will be judgement day.and for the living look to revalations and dont take it literally. but hey this is just my take on the subject. the holy spirit is real god is real christ is real after all they are one in the same.

[2micro4u]

Well said bro.
"As far as Gods my belief there is only one true GOD. From my believe Jesus is the way. Im not perfect nor a saint either but daily I continue to strive to improve on my spituality and life.

[Tracer]

Well most people in this world dont realize that Christianity is not a RELIGION. Its a lifestyle (to live Christ like). Most people dont understand that. I think most people that dont believe is cause of the Unknown.

But make some points for people that dont believe...you may say "How can I believe in something I can not see?" Well do you believe in the wind or the air you breathe? You may not see it but you see the effects they have in life. Sometimes the simple things in life can explain or lead us to understand there is a GOD.

Well many people today claim they are agnostic. Which means: without knowledge or unknown. There's the term UNKNOWN again. Well evolution is what most of them believe. Read this bit of info. how evolution is false: http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm

I think most people dont want to believe in a GOD is cause they have to answer for how they lived their life. Its easier to just live you life, do want you want, and not care about anyone else but yourself. That's why people want to turn away from the unknown. Its easier to just live like you want and not answer for the negative things you do. Plus its hard to live like a Christian. Yeah Christians are no near perfect. We all fall short of God's grace but by faith in HIM we are saved.

But in my life I do not look up to any man or hold some religious leader up. I do not follow anyone but the life that Jesus lead and explained how for us to live. Only God can judge you...

that's my 2 cents...

[yudalicious]

...Read this bit of info. how evolution is false: http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm...

+1 for objective, unbiased, 3rd party info! now I KNOW for sure that I've been a fool all my life!

[Big J]

you may say "How can I believe in something I can not see?" Well do you believe in the wind or the air you breathe? You may not see it but you see the effects they have in life.

No, I can't see it but it can be understood because of concepts explained by science. I know "air" is 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen and 1% other stuff. I know the effect of air on life becaues I understand the crebs cycle and aerobic metabolism.

Now you start to talk about "God", and there are really a whole bunch of them if your not too closed minded to belive yours is the only one. Gods come and go. Noone belives in the Roman and Greek gods anymore, the "gods" of the Indians died when they were killed by "the childern of God" in the name of "God" in the first part of Americian history. When aragance kills the folowers of todays "Gods", people will invent some new ones, but air will still be air.

[THEONE]

yup^^^ the air is real and there have been many gods. and there still are good ones and bad ones. i dont look down on any religon its our right as human beings to do what we will with this life.
the thing all the non belivers are missing is "faith" its funny how "science" created by god is being used to prove him wrong. its actually trickery the devil is taking one of gods greatest gifts "knowledge" and using it against him. the joy you feel when you go out side on a warm sunny day,the feelings of love and anger all of this emotion thats god,how can you deny it? when you do somteing good for someone else,when you give and expect nothing in return thats human nature,thats god. modern science always proves itself wrong.
miracles happen maybe not on a global scale but they do. if you look you can see them. what would life be like if god held our hand all of the time. live and learn,thats it. thats the gift.

[Hulud]

No, I can't see it but it can be understood because of concepts explained by science. I know "air" is 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen and 1% other stuff. I know the effect of air on life becaues I understand the crebs cycle and aerobic metabolism.

Now you start to talk about "God", and there are really a whole bunch of them if your not too closed minded to belive yours is the only one. Gods come and go. Noone belives in the Roman and Greek gods anymore, the "gods" of the Indians died when they were killed by "the childern of God" in the name of "God" in the first part of Americian history. When aragance kills the folowers of todays "Gods", people will invent some new ones, but air will still be air.

holy crap, ive never heard it put like that

thats a great point

i mean ive thought about how everyone cant be right, but never about replacing gods

[Big J]

holy crap, ive never heard it put like that

thats a great point

i mean ive thought about how everyone cant be right, but never about replacing gods

There are what I call "universal truths" that exist thoughout all nationalities, religions, races, ect.

The best I can sum it up is: do good and good things happen. Everyone knows right from wrong, but right isn't allways the easiest thing to do.



Then every religion hands out a book that tell stories about doing the right thing and what happens when you don't, and how even though you do the right thing, it doesn't garuntee an easy life. That's most religious texts in a nut shell.

[THEONE]

There are what I call "universal truths" that exist thoughout all nationalities, religions, races, ect.

The best I can sum it up is: do good and good things happen. Everyone knows right from wrong, but right isn't allways the easiest thing to do.



Then every religion hands out a book that tell stories about doing the right thing and what happens when you don't, and how even though you do the right thing, it doesn't garuntee an easy life. That's most religious texts in a nut shell.

ahh yes carma or karma... your a believer