Does God Exist? - A mature discussion

[David88vert]

Basics:
This discussion will NOT have a final yes or no. The answer is really in your faith.
This is not for bashing Christians, athesists, or for talking about the Crusades or "how all wars are about religion". Or how everyone that doesn't believe is going to hell.
This is only a discussion for scientific observations both for and against the notion of God existing.
Be prepared to back up statements with facts/observations.

The $64,000 question: Does God exist?

Specific topics (feel free to add more):
Complexity of the human brain
Size/expansion of the universe
Space/Time
Decay into chaos vs creation of order
Physically measurable complexities

[never2loud]

actually someone already answered this with a long ass term paper that he turned into his professor in college. but it was mainly about does heaven exist, but u could tie this in with it, it hits all those points you wanted, and i cant remember who did it or where to find it, but someone posted it a longtime ago when we had a religion section on IA. so find that and youll get your answer.

{{{{{ or read the bible}}}}

thats all im saying nothing else, i dont have the facts to show you so you wont believe, and i dont know how to put it to make you understand, and i havent fully read the bible, so im not gonna act like a hypocrite, all i can say is read the bible, no more no less, but intrested in what answers ur gonna get.

[Lucky DAWG]

i guess u didn't read the part about "this discussion will NOT have a final yes or no"

[never2loud]

well its not a answer i mean but i has all those points that he wanted, its actually pretty intresting, and i dont think it gave a clear answer either, i didnt mean it said yes or no. but u can find it s very intresting to read, like nothing youve ever read before. and a stuednt wrote it as a term paper, that pretty neat.

[Lucky DAWG]

well its not a answer i mean but i has all those points that he wanted, its actually pretty intresting, and i dont think it gave a clear answer either, i didnt mean it said yes or no. but u can find it s very intresting to read, like nothing youve ever read before. and a stuednt wrote it as a term paper, that pretty neat.

i would love to read it
but i would also love to not get a migrane

that kind of stuff has so many different elements to it that there is never a clear answer and will only leave you more and more confused.

you gotta wonder if being ignorant is better sometimes on a topic like this, everytime it is discussed i find my view tweaked a little bit

[Hulud]

Ok first off, whats the "Who wants to be a millionaire" references tonite? lol

My answer is quite simple

Who knows?

All i know is faith is not enough, i mean has anyone on this site ever looked up the term "faith"?

If not, you may want to.

OK I'm straying again....

I dont know if a god exists or not, because I am not ignorant enough to say there is or isnt a god. There is no logical way to prove there is/isnt a god. But i know one thing, i will never accept the "faith" in a god.

[idriveasloweclipse]

"The God Delusion" is a good book to read on this topic if you want the scientific side of the debate. Dawkins is the man.

[Hulud]

thats all im saying nothing else, i dont have the facts to show you so you wont believe, and i dont know how to put it to make you understand, and i havent fully read the bible, so im not gonna act like a hypocrite, all i can say is read the bible, no more no less, but intrested in what answers ur gonna get.

thats only if you want the christian version of a god

[Hulud]

"The God Delusion" is a good book to read on this topic if you want the scientific side of the debate. Dawkins is the man.

yea i may pick that one up, i want to pick up "Holy Blood, Holy Grail "

[never2loud]

man i'll pray for HUlud, you got a way for words, and alotta knowledge, sucks that it isnt for god though So ill pray for you.

[Spectic Tank]

no

[Driftk1d350z]

yes

[Capt._Ron]

To me the mathematical probability of the correct events and correct sequence of events necessary to form life on this planet are just to overwhelming for me to believe that there is not a God. There are many variables that have be exact for life as we know it to exist and the combinations of these variables are nearly infinite. I just can not fathom that the exact combination came by chance. I think that there must be some type of intelligent design(God) to make things happen the way they did. Furthermore, how did these variables come about in the first place. I know the next question would be then who created God and I definately have no answer for that.

[yomomsucka]

Everyone here needs to go out and buy the book "Letters from a Skeptic".

Then post.

[gtikid]

A higher being...yes. Religion? I love all these kids who say God blah blah blah Jesus blah blah blah Muslim blah blah blah no pork blah blah blah, but who go out and contradict EVERYTHING they just said in every other kind of way.

Every religion/holy book says the samething, how to live a decent life. It's the same shit over and over

[Capt._Ron]

Im sure there are 1000's of books, letters, essays, dicertations, and other stuff to read on the subject since man has basically been trying to answer this question since his creation or formation or evolution or whatever

[Spectic Tank]

yes

your conclusion does not include a smiley...that automatically makes it false

[Maniaç]

*Real Talk*

I strongly dought it... im sure there is a bigger life form out there... but not the creator of Life. God can mean alot of things.... creator/ father/ anything.

Life: Humans/ Animals/ Planets/ Ect.

[Shawn]

I beleive god exists.
Is it the same god for everyone? honestly, i really think there is only one God, for every religion, now whatever BS some religions throw in after that, I dont beleive.

Do I beleive in organized religion? yes, as long as it is not taken to far, and if the people running the organization are not in it for personal gain(profit, etc.)

Do I believe in all religions? No, I dont, I think some of them take things too far, or dont have good reasoning for what they preach.

Do I beleive in Christianity? Nope. Now flame away

PS- I probably spelt belive wrong everytime.

[gtikid]

I beleive god exists.
Is it the same god for everyone? honestly, i really think there is only one God, for every religion, now whatever BS some religions throw in after that, I dont beleive.

Do I beleive in organized religion? yes, as long as it is not taken to far, and if the people running the organization are not in it for personal gain(profit, etc.)

Do I believe in all religions? No, I dont, I think some of them take things too far, or dont have good reasoning for what they preach.

Do I beleive in Christianity? Nope. Now flame away

PS- I probably spelt belive wrong everytime.

OMG UR GONNA BURN IN THE WRECHES OF HELL!! YOU HERETIC!!!



Every religion preaches the samething just adds their own twist to it ya know. Sit back and think about, every one says don't kill/steal/cheat/have sex/suck dick/have anal sex/be gay/etc....

[David88vert]

Ok, so to start this off. Here is a chart of 47 basic principals of Earths design. If just 1 of the 47 wa off just slightly, we would not exist. So, if thsi Earth happened by chance, and not by the design of a god, the probability that I would not be posting this would be astronomically high.

(table wouldn't post, so download attachment)

[gtikid]

So now God's a scientist then...

[gtikid]

A mad scientist is better put...

[Lucky DAWG]

A mad scientist is better put...

no he is a little kid with a magnifying glass and we are his ants...

[David88vert]

So now God's a scientist then...

Wouldn't a god that created everything and put physical laws in place know a little bit more than any human? Use some common sense before posting. And try to keep to technical discussion if you can.

[Spectic Tank]

A mad scientist is better put...

Yea, god was nerd...

[ARH1192]

someone should make a pole.. that would be interesting to see how many do believe or dont.. or who is still unsure

[gtikid]

Wouldn't a god that created everything and put physical laws in place know a little bit more than any human? Use some common sense before posting. And try to keep to technical discussion if you can.

Are you really gonna tell me that God was just bored one day at home and was like "man you know what, let's create people!! We can grow them like chea-pets. O and even better yet!! I can make them different colors to make it interesting. I dont like black, so neither will the rest of the world." Are you fucking serious?

And if your saying that he created us, then why wouldn't he create 50 million more planet/species just like us? Believe me, if I was bored and could do that, I would. O and also GOD, decided to make Islam and Christianity and every other prehistoric religion that came waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before either of those 2, just to throw people off a little bit right?

[SampaGuy]

its dumb not to believe in god

[David88vert]

Are you really gonna tell me that God was just bored one day at home and was like "man you know what, let's create people!! We can grow them like chea-pets. O and even better yet!! I can make them different colors to make it interesting. I dont like black, so neither will the rest of the world." Are you fucking serious?

And if your saying that he created us, then why wouldn't he create 50 million more planet/species just like us? Believe me, if I was bored and could do that, I would. O and also GOD, decided to make Islam and Christianity and every other prehistoric religion that came waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before either of those 2, just to throw people off a little bit right?

Nope, I'm not going to tell you that. It's pretty clear what his purpose is - if you were to sit down and read it for yourself. According to the Bible, it is to have people choose of their own free will to worship him. That's it, it's pretty much that simple. The trick is giving people free will to choose and then convincing them to chose the right way - without interfering.

Think of it this way. You want a girl to love you, but you want to make certain that it is because she loves you - not your money, power, etc. The only way you can do that is to remove those items from her view ahead of time, and you can't force her to love you either. You can only give your leve and hope she returns it. Is that simple enough for you?

People can choose to do anything they want - inside some basic confines.

Now, can we get back on topic?

[Lucky DAWG]

someone should make a pole.. that would be interesting to see how many do believe or dont.. or who is still unsure

i just made one, vote

[gtikid]

Nope, I'm not going to tell you that. It's pretty clear what his purpose is - if you were to sit down and read it for yourself. According to the Bible, it is to have people choose of their own free will to worship him. That's it, it's retty much that simple. The trick is giving people free will to choose and then convincing them to chose the right way - without interfering.

Think of it this way. You want a girl to love you, but you wnat to make certain that it is because she loves you - not your money, power, etc. The only way you can do that is to remove those items from her view ahead of time, and you can't force her to love you either. You can only give your leve and hope she returns it. Is that simple enough for you?

People can choose to do anything they want - inside some basic confines.

Now, can we get back on topic?

What is the right way? Like i've said before, every religion share the same views on the "right way" of living life. And if you really look at it, the "right way" is really just having human deceny.

We are on the topic. We're on the topic if God exists, and now we are discussing why each one of us believes how we do. If you just wanted to know who believed in god and who doesnt, just make a poll. Don't complain about people not believing in what you believe and the way you believe.

So prove to me this....or try at least. How do you know that your god is "the right one"/"the correct one"? There have been MANY MANY MANY before him, who people believed to be "the one". There have been many different religions that existed way before the one you believe in. So your saying all those were wrong?

[David88vert]

What is the right way? Like i've said before, every religion share the same views on the "right way" of living life. And if you really look at it, the "right way" is really just having human deceny.

We are on the topic. We're on the topic if God exists, and now we are discussing why each one of us believes how we do. If you just wanted to know who believed in god and who doesnt, just make a poll. Don't complain about people not believing in what you believe and the way you believe.

So prove to me this....or try at least. How do you know that your god is "the right one"/"the correct one"? There have been MANY MANY MANY before him, who people believed to be "the one". There have been many different religions that existed way before the one you believe in. So your saying all those were wrong?

You've completely missed the point. Read the start again. There is not yes or no to this. This thread is for discussing things that help prove OR disprove the existence of God. It has nothing to do with how to get to heaven, which god is the true god, etc. Look at theoretic and factual evidence - universal design, life processes, etc. This isn't just a "I believe" thread. Everyone either believes in the existence of God, or doesn't - based completely upon their personal faith.

[gtikid]

You've completely missed the point. Read the start again. There is not yes or no to this. This thread is for discussing things that help prove OR disprove the existence of God. It has nothing to do with how to get to heaven, which god is the true god, etc. Look at theoretic and factual evidence - universal design, life processes, etc. This isn't just a "I believe" thread. Everyone either believes in the existence of God, or doesn't - based completely upon their personal faith.

Exactly, if you wanted a yes or no, just make a fucking poll like the other guy did. Not that hard. Now your getting all bent when someone challenges your beliefs.

I am looking at theoretical and factual evidence. "In the beginning God made Earth, the seas, the animals, and man." O shit did he really? Then who the fuck created the dinosaurs and the cavemen that have been FOUND and dig up and exist as evidence of life thousands of years ago? ...

[Hulud]

OMG UR GONNA BURN IN THE WRECHES OF HELL!! YOU HERETIC!!!



Every religion preaches the samething just adds their own twist to it ya know. Sit back and think about, every one says don't kill/steal/cheat/have sex/suck dick/have anal sex/be gay/etc....

its because the 3 main religions (in the US) are all derevatives(sp?) of the same thing

[Hulud]

someone should make a pole.. that would be interesting to see how many do believe or dont.. or who is still unsure

there is a poll on this please use the seach function

[gtikid]

its because the 3 main religions (in the US) are all derevatives(sp?) of the same thing

Yup, and so is every other religion ever created. Really, look at the basis of other religions/believe and they're the samething...

[Hulud]

Ok, so to start this off. Here is a chart of 47 basic principals of Earths design. If just 1 of the 47 wa off just slightly, we would not exist. So, if thsi Earth happened by chance, and not by the design of a god, the probability that I would not be posting this would be astronomically high.

(table wouldn't post, so download attachment)

are you kidding me?

how does that prove theres a god?

have you ever thought about the different planets? why arent there lifeforms that we've found yet? BECAUSE OF THAT UNLIKELY probability of it happening

[Hulud]

i knew this thread was just a ploy for you to srping on some random info that you think proves theres a god

but whatever

[Hulud]

Yup, and so is every other religion ever created. Really, look at the basis of other religions/believe and they're the samething...

yea true