A car carrier arrived at work today (BMW DRIVERS VERSUS IA...DRAMA FTW!)

[kendogg]

Same with me man, no one know's what my car is and no one understands why I love it so much. To everyone else it's just an old POS Mazda.

What do you drive? And meh, the E28's are alright. I don't think I'd buy another unless I could pony up $4k+for a mint perfect one. If maintenence has been neglected, omfg they'll break you, lol. They aren't like a 3 series, where the maintenence is at least minimal. Figure every 80k, front end needs to be completely rebuilt, same with front and rear suspension, every 60k whole cooling system needs a rebuild, crazy thigns can come out of left field if the car wasn't maintained or hacked together previous. My 533i for example. Previous owner chopped the cats out, and didn't even put the O2 sensor back!!! I mean, it ran fine without it, I even got 33 mpg with that brick on the highway, but ya know..... Stereo has to be 100% rewired to put anything aftermarket it, cause the old stock stuff used a common ground setup, god damn, I could go on and on, lol.

Buy a BMW - stick to E30's, E34's, and if you wanna just daily maybe a E36 if you can afford it, or a track car, an M. I can't afford to maintain any other BMW, those are the most relaiable for a regular odl working person. OTOH, an M5 of any body style would pwn, again, if I could afford the maintenence. The M5 was made for those who could afford them, and those who could afford them ONLY. The S38 inline 6 is a $15k+ rebuild top to bottom, with just stock parts.

[d993s]

But why should we have to justify why we drive the cars we drive?

Well obviously that's what were doing with these stupid arguments. Are we not?

[kendogg]

I am also on Ferrarichat...hell the O.G Ferrari guys hate people who modify their Ferraris.....

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!

[kendogg]

Easy to answer...

Old Boxy BMW > Chris Bangle Turdheap

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, other than a ton of E36's, and a efw E46's, I've enver actuall;y driven a Bangle turd heap. Yes, Mr. Bangle was quite involved with the design of the E36, he just wasn't head of design yet. I think thats party why that car falls apart pre-maturely around the drivetrain.

[man]

What do you drive?

87 RX-7 Turbo.

[man]

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!

I saw an e30 m3 abandoned on the side 85S one morning going to school and I almost cried. I hope the owner got it out of there ok.

[kendogg]

I saw an e30 m3 abandoned on the side 85S one morning going to school and I almost cried. I hope the owner got it out of there ok.

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?

[d993s]

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?

If a e30 M3 had chrome wheels on it, then it deserved to be broken down.

[©hris]

Mercedes ftw!

[kendogg]

If a e30 M3 had chrome wheels on it, then it deserved to be broken down.

HAHAHA. Yeah, there is a red E30 M3 with chrome 17" ASA's on it that I know of.

[1SICKLEX]

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!

Ferrari has a very storied history. Most owners prefer a stock Ferrari as to them, that is the "pure" way to own it. Just maintain, don't touch, the factory knows best.

That is why many guys that are into modding buy a Lambo or Porsche b/c modding a Ferrari many times is frowned upon by the "establishment".

Lambo and Porsche owners mod like crazy and are much more open armed to those to modify.

[kendogg]

Ferrari has a very storied history. Most owners prefer a stock Ferrari as to them, that is the "pure" way to own it. Just maintain, don't touch, the factory knows best.

That is why many guys that are into modding buy a Lambo or Porsche b/c modding a Ferrari many times is frowned upon by the "establishment".

Lambo and Porsche owners mod like crazy and are much more open armed to those to modify.

INteresting. I'd love to own either an old 911 someday, or the new, oh god, what is it, the Caymen is it called? I think thats it. That car pwns. Only in a coupe of course.

[1SICKLEX]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, other than a ton of E36's, and a efw E46's, I've enver actuall;y driven a Bangle turd heap. Yes, Mr. Bangle was quite involved with the design of the E36, he just wasn't head of design yet. I think thats party why that car falls apart pre-maturely around the drivetrain.

Bangle is the designer, he has nothing to do with the engineering aspect.
While BMWs do use tons of plastic parts (hell the new 335 has plastic front FENDERS, lol), the reason for it is it keeps weight distribution at or near 50/50 for optimal balance.

Little known fact...the head designer for BMW MURDERED his son, clearly he lost his job when he went to jail. HE designed the 1980s and influenced the mid 1990s BMWs....

If he hadn't done that, Bangle would probably not be the head of design. (I also love the older BMW looks, I cannot quite get the new ones design)

[kendogg]

Bangle is the designer, he has nothing to do with the engineering aspect.
While BMWs do use tons of plastic parts (hell the new 335 has plastic front FENDERS, lol), the reason for it is it keeps weight distribution at or near 50/50 for optimal balance.

Little known fact...the head designer for BMW MURDERED his son, clearly he lost his job when he went to jail. HE designed the 1980s and influenced the mid 1990s BMWs....

If he hadn't done that, Bangle would probably not be the head of design. (I also love the older BMW looks, I cannot quite get the new ones design)

OH damn. Now THAt isn't in the 3 Series Enthusiasts companion now, is it, lmfoa? Where can I find more info on this?

And I know Bangle doens't ahve anything to do with the engineering side of thigns, I was just joking.

[1SICKLEX]

And they always will be. But what none of the bmw guys seem to understand is that not everyone wants a super sporty car. Some people like the extra comfort and longevity that can't be provided by a high-performance car

Great post!!!! Even with mods a Lexus will just be hard pressed to match the steering and overall feel of a BMW. I've driven tons of both brands and you can make a Lexus handle even or better than a BMW but the "feel" is just not there, IMO.
I even swapped out my steering ECU in my old GS 400 for the "L-tuned" one, (it was Euro spec) and while heavier it was not the same as a 540.

[1SICKLEX]

OH damn. Now THAt isn't in the 3 Series Enthusiasts companion now, is it, lmfoa? Where can I find more info on this?

And I know Bangle doens't ahve anything to do with the engineering side of thigns, I was just joking.

I tried googling it before but could not find nothing. I read it in an issue of "EVO" and also in an issue of "EuroTuner" (I think that is the name of it).

[kendogg]

I tried googling it before but could not find nothing. I read it in an issue of "EVO" and also in an issue of "EuroTuner" (I think that is the name of it).

Any idea the guys name by chance? If I can figure out the name,or even teh guys exact title, I'm sure I could find smoe info on him. If I could find his title, I could find his name by that.

[1SICKLEX]

Any idea the guys name by chance? If I can figure out the name,or even teh guys exact title, I'm sure I could find smoe info on him. If I could find his title, I could find his name by that.

Let me look tonight...its gonna take a minute (tons of mags)

[man]

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?

No, white.

[Jaimecbr900]

You are the best example of misinformed.

I'll bite, since you wanted to just gloss over my question to you. Guess you couldn't answer them.

How many BMW's, Lexus, MB, Infiniti, or Acura's have YOU personally owned and driven?

Let me guess......

You are solely google and consumer reports-informed,

Really? I was a mechanic for 6 yrs and I've owned atleast 1 of every make, i.e. Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, MB, etc., being thrown around here, except for a BMW....although I've driven many, many before and not just around the block with a salesman either.

Unlike YOU, I've worked on BMW, MB, Nissan, Infiniti, Lexus, etc.

So, anytime you wanna match experience levels on cars with me, let's go for it. I posted REAL links to reviews done by someone else. If you wanna whine about it, you too can sit in the corner and rub one off with DinanM3. Be my guest. Don't shoot the messanger if you don't like the message.

besides not getting head at the BMW dealer (sure it happens a lot at Lexus though) and CR are the most retardedly biased SOBs I've ever seen.
Don't make me repeat myself.

Repeat yourself? What are you now, Mr. All knowing authority on reviews???

How many cars have you even owned in your life yourself?

I was just at the shop this afternoon. Totally unprovoked or even mentioned, a previous 540 owner who used to swear his 540 was THE shit said and I quote, "...BMW's are nice to look at, but I certainly wouldn't call them RELIABLE...." He OWNS a shop, is the HEAD mechanic, and RACES cars. As long as I've known him he's owned domestics and imports, changing them out all the damn time. Everything from Hummers to Dodge Dually to S2000 to BMW to Lexus. So I think he probably would be a good one to ask about BMW, and he said exactly what I quoted above.

Again, yall wanna defend a guy who's a pompous jerk about coming into a thread that had NOTHING to do with BMW and turning into one.....be my guest. That's just par for the course for you guys.

[sina518]

all you bmw fucks go kill your self you make me embarrassed to say i drive a bmw keep your bull shit opinions to yourself or take them to bimmerfourms. your out numbered here you will not win the battel. everyone likes something differnt and all you ppl on here that think your the shit cause you drive a bmw. half you idiots dont even know how to drive the so called ultimate driving machine. the only person on this site i have respect for that drives a bimmer is nextelbuddy. japanese cars ae more reliable anyways. and yes i do drive a bmw, its an okay car, g35 coupe was much faster.

ok im done

[kendogg]

all you bmw fucks go kill your self you make me embarrassed to say i drive a bmw keep your bull shit opinions to yourself or take them to bimmerfourms. your out numbered here you will not win the battel. everyone likes something differnt and all you ppl on here that think your the shit cause you drive a bmw. half you idiots dont even know how to drive the so called ultimate driving machine. the only person on this site i have respect for that drives a bimmer is nextelbuddy. japanese cars ae more reliable anyways. and yes i do drive a bmw, its an okay car, g35 coupe was much faster.

ok im done

Umm, yeah. Go kill yourself ok, buddy? I drive an old-ass BMW, and I'll admit I'm not the greatest driver in the world, but at least I'll take my car to the fucking track to learn how to drive properly. Any idiot can straight-line drag race or do highway pulls. And PLEASE find me a 300k mile car thats more reliable than an E30, please? At 300k, if taken car of, all the elctricals wills till wrk, motor and tranny should still be original, etc. I know of plenty of good lookign E30's with 300k+ on them, and there is one guy in chicago with over 400k on his, he replaced the head and did 2 clutch jobs. Thats it. So GTFO with your bullshit.

[sina518]

i belive your car has 300k on it but most of the parts on it are fairley new i bet. remember dip shit i said half not all. i have respect for everyone on this fourm weather they drive a ferrari, bmw or a civic. dont come out here and act like every other car suck and yours is the shit because its german. once again im not refering that to you just making a statement.

[kendogg]

i belive your car has 300k on it but most of the parts on it are fairley new i bet. remember dip shit i said half not all. i have respect for everyone on this fourm weather they drive a ferrari, bmw or a civic. dont come out here and act like every other car suck and yours is the shit because its german. once again im not refering that to you just making a statement.

Wow. I think we got over this like, 5 pages ago, but here we go again.

My car has about 140k on it, I bought it with a half-started motor swap, from an eta (early E30) to an i motor (late E30). And no, 90% of my car looks to be original. AFAIK, most of my friends higher-mielage BMW's have most everything original, except for the normal wear items, breaks, suspension, bushings, etc. Why don't YOU stop talking out of your ass, ok? I've stopped bitching, and fighting here. Why the fuck are you starting shit again? You obviously know nothing about BMW's, or you'd know that a 300k E30 can and will retian a good majority of OEM parts still.

And you say half? Half what? In your post, you said ALL you BMW fucks go kill yoursleves, as quoted here:

all you bmw fucks go kill your self

[man]

God, I thought that I had finally brought an end to this BS...

[~The_Duke~]

Does it really matter... one person likes one kind of car, the other one doesnt but likes another kind of car. Arent we all glad they make different kinds of cars...

[man]

Does it really matter... one person likes one kind of car, the other one doesnt but likes another kind of car. Arent we all glad they make different kinds of cars...

Repost motherbitch, lol

[~The_Duke~]

Repost motherbitch, lol

Well it is kind of like house training a puppy...the puppy has to shit on the floor a couple times before it will get the point across that hey I am not supposed to shit on the floor. So the puppy must have its nose rubbed in shit many times.

Well you are going to have beat these people in the head with that statement over and over again before they get the point...

[man]

Well it is kind of like house training a puppy...the puppy has to shit on the floor a couple times before it will get the point across that hey I am not supposed to shit on the floor. So the puppy must have its nose rubbed in shit many times.

Well you are going to have beat these people in the head with that statement over and over again before they get the point...

[kendogg]

Guys, I got the point. I wasn't the one comming back and starting the shi talking again.

[man]

Guys, I got the point. I wasn't the one comming back and starting the shi talking again.

I'm talking about this sina person, not you. You're ok in my book

[kendogg]

I'm talking about this sina person, not you. You're ok in my book

OH, word. THanks. Sorry for wiggin out, lol.

[man]

OH, word. THanks. Sorry for wiggin out, lol.

No problem, I understand your confusion. Time for bed, gotta wake up at 5:30.

[1SICKLEX]

Thread title should now read BMW owner vs BMW owner, lol

[Jaimecbr900]

This thread should be locked now. It's run it's course. Now, it's dead horse territory.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Your completely right. And I've noticed, even with myself, it's crazy, BMW people and Audi/VW people have more hate for each other's marque than BMW peeps have for japanese cars, lol.

speak for yourself man, i love all cars pretty much equally, regardless of what i drive. i think being a snob about what kind of car you drive vs other cars and their owners is retarded and

[The Yousef]

This thread should be locked now. It's run it's course. Now, it's dead horse territory.

agreed.

[Hulud]

why??????????????????????

noooooooooooooooooooo


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