Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
ohhh, so you mean those doubting should think about if the plane will actually move forward before debating how wings create lift and all that nonsense?
Yes! If they can understand the concept that the plane WILL move forward no matter what the treadmill is doing, they can then logically draw the conclusion that forward movement will lead to acceleration. That acceleration will approach take-off speed and the plane is in the air...