Quote Originally Posted by joecoolfreak
I am using the other models as an example to prove that the object, whether or not it has wings will move forward. Once you understand that little piece, you will realize that if it is moving forward, the air moving will create the lift required.

ok. so imagine this, you are standing to the side of this airplane on a treadmill...... the treadmill is going backwards at 500mph, the plane is producing a thrust to make the wheels spin at 500mph....... is the plane not staying in the same place? yes. so where is the draft to produce lift coming from?