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[MachNU]

[QUOTE=Ruiner]If someone kicks my door in, I can. If someone is going to commit a felony, I can. If I feel a "risk" to my safety, I can!

How come you cannot understand this? My father was a judge for 20+ years. I will take his word above yours. Sorry, but you lose here.[QUOTE=Ruiner]

dam dud ei am not disagreeing with you but under certain circumstances you have to prove your actions and the way you prove them probably wouldnt stand up in court! I mean if someone jsut walks up to you and says get out of your car, with no aggressive manor, and no weapon and you put one in him that is way beyond excessive force, becuase you had a gun which you could control the situation without having to use any force!

[Ruiner]

dam dud ei am not disagreeing with you but under certain circumstances you have to prove your actions and the way you prove them probably wouldnt stand up in court! I mean if someone jsut walks up to you and says get out of your car, with no aggressive manor, and no weapon and you put one in him that is way beyond excessive force, becuase you had a gun which you could control the situation without having to use any force!

He DID NOT walk up to me! He opened my car door and got INTO my car. Thus, he satisfies the "entering into my habitation illegally" aspect that needs to be satisfied! He DOES NOT need a weapon at that point. If he gets INTO my car and then tells me to get out, he is doing an attempted carjacking weapon or not!

[quickdodge®]

I mean if someone jsut walks up to you and says get out of your car, with no aggressive manor, and no weapon

So are you supposed to wait and see what happens? When someone I don't know is headed for me and starts climbing in my car without being asked to, I'm not waiting for shit.

Also, the guy actually got in Ruiner's car. Not just walked up and said get out. Lolol. Later, QD.

[MachNU]

So are you supposed to wait and see what happens? When someone I don't know is headed for me and starts climbing in my car without being asked to, I'm not waiting for shit.

Also, the guy actually got in Ruiner's car. Not just walked up and said get out. Lolol. Later, QD.

No i am not saying that. Any normal person would shit themselfs if you stuck a gun in there face. Enough to where they arent going to do anything. So you jsut cant start shooting them. BEcuase you woul dbe using more force than the situation required. I am jsut saying you are all correct on what it stands for, but it still hasnt changed when it says EXCESSIVE FORCE!

[Ruiner]

No i am not saying that. Any normal person would shit themselfs if you stuck a gun in there face. Enough to where they arent going to do anything. So you jsut cant start shooting them. BEcuase you woul dbe using more force than the situation required. I am jsut saying you are all correct on what it stands for, but it still hasnt changed when it says EXCESSIVE FORCE!

WRONG! You ASSUME that a normal person would not do anything, but what if they are cracked out and make a quick move into their pocket? Criminals ARE NOT normal people! They are not reasonable people. They DO NOT apply to that definition of what people *should* do. What then? Do you wait to see what they do? What they pull out before you shoot? You will end up dead! What if you put a gun in their face and they try to slap it away? What do you do then? Do you give them the chance?

It IS NOT excessive force once they have invaded your habitation like that in said manner...

You are arguing with me over excessive force and I have the words of my father, a judge, to prove you wrong.

[MachNU]

WRONG! You ASSUME that a normal person would not do anything, but what if they are cracked out and make a quick move into their pocket? What then? Do you wait to see what they do? What they pull out before you shoot? You will end up dead! What if you put a gun in their face and they try to slap it away? What do you do then? Do you give them the chance?

It IS NOT excessive force once they have invaded your habitation like that in said manner...

You are arguing with me over excessive force and I have the words of my father, a judge, to prove you wrong.

But know you are changing the situation, if it was a CRACKhead coems in and then reaches for his pocket then by all means put one in him....but if someone just gets in and expects to strongarm you but gets a gun in there race, i am pretty sure that you got control of the situation!

[quickdodge®]

But know you are changing the situation, if it was a CRACKhead coems in and then reaches for his pocket then by all means put one in him....but if someone just gets in and expects to strongarm you but gets a gun in there race, i am pretty sure that you got control of the situation!

But not all times, will you know if he is a crackhead or some other high. That's called RISK. You never know what's in the mind of a stranger barging into your habitat. No reason to leave anything to chance. Later, QD.

[MachNU]

But not all times, will you know if he is a crackhead or some other high. That's called RISK. You never know what's in the mind of a stranger barging into your habitat. No reason to leave anything to chance. Later, QD.

agreed but that just what i am saying someone will always argue that becuase no one iwll know 100% of the facts.