Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
No, it is not the same:

The wheels on my car are powered by my engine... what are the wheels powered by on a plane?

Another example: Let's say that my car is on a dyno in neutral...and I have a jet engine attached to it. I crank up the engine, what happens to my car on the dyno?
Dude, the wheels of the plane are freespining. I was sampled backward. If you must match the plane/treadmill (motorized) example, you must attach the jet engine TO the dyno.

In that case you'll move the whole Dyno station backward. But in this subject, the car (treadmill) must have matching negative speed as the dyno wheels are putting.

Quote Originally Posted by Ruiner
Interlude, you do realize that the statement "The treadmill does output HP and TQ, in negative direction" is true, but that it is ONLY doing this on free-spinning wheels, right?
I was talking about the motorized treadmill.

So in this subject, the treadmill is free spinning and NOT motorized??:confused:

If so, you're 100% correct. It's the same as those air plane on the water. It WILL LIFT OFF.