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    President Bush will call for thousands of National Guard troops to be deployed along the Mexico border in support of patrols aimed at keeping out illegal immigrants, a White House official said Sunday on the eve of an Oval Office address announcing the plan.

    White House aides worked into the night Sunday to iron out details of the proposal and allay concerns among lawmakers that using troops to man the border would further burden the an overextended military.

    A White House official said Bush would propose using troops as a stopgap measure while the Border Patrol builds up its resources. The troops would play a supportive role to Border Patrol agents, who would maintain primary responsibility for physically guarding the border.

    The official spoke on a condition of anonymity before the address Monday at 8 p.m. EST. The official would not say how many troops Bush wanted to use, except that it would be in the thousands but less than an estimate of as many as 10,000 being discussed at the Pentagon.
    Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, would not confirm that using National Guard troops was the plan but said it was one of the options the president was considering. But he described the same scenario.

    "It's not about militarization of the border," Hadley said on CNN's "Late Edition.""It's about assisting the civilian border patrol in doing their job, providing intelligence, providing support, logistics support and training and these sorts of things."

    Bush's National Guard plan is aimed at winning support for broader immigration reform from conservatives in Congress. Bush's main goal is to allow foreigners to get temporary work permits to take low-paying jobs - an idea favored by the business community. But many conservatives want a tougher approach on illegal immigrants trying to sneak into the country.

    About 100 National Guard troops are serving on the border to assist with counter-drug operations, heavy equipment support and other functions.

    "I think what it would be is simply expanding the kind of thing that has already been done in the past in order to provide a bit of a stopgap as the Border Patrol build up their capacity to deal with this challenge," Hadley said.
    Bush gave the same message to Mexican President Vicente Fox, who called Sunday to discuss his plans. Bush assured Fox that any military support would be administrative and logistical and would come from the National Guard and not the Army, according to a news release from Fox's office.

    Criticism of the National Guard plan came Sunday from Democrats, but also an important Republican negotiator in the immigration debate - Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. He said National Guard troops cannot secure the border over the long term and that he does not think it is wise even in the short term.

    "We've got National Guard members on their second, third and fourth tours in Iraq," Hagel said. "We have stretched our military as thin as we have ever seen it in modern times. And what in the world are we talking about here, sending a National Guard that we may not have any capacity to send up to or down to protect borders? That's not their role."

    Hagel said the bill under debate in the Senate that he helped write would double the 12,000-strong Border Patrol force over the next five years. "That's the way to fix it, not further stretching the National Guard," he said on ABC's "This Week."

    Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., said there may be a need for troops to fill in while the Border Patrol is bolstered. But he did not seem confident that the National Guard could take on the extra duty.
    "We have stretched these men and women so thin, so thin, because of the bad mistakes done by the civilians in the military here, that I wonder how they're going to be able to do it," Biden said, also on ABC.

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he supported using the National Guard on the Mexican border. He said lawmakers who doubt that the National Guard, whose members have served for years in Iraq and went to the Gulf Coast after last summer's hurricanes, could take on border patrol duty are "whining" and "moaning."

    "We've got to secure our borders," Frist said on CNN's "Late Edition.""We hear it from the American people. We've got millions of people coming across that border. First and foremost, secure the border, whatever it takes. Everything else we've done has failed. We've got to face that. And so we need to bring in, I believe, the National Guard."

    Frist said the full Senate planned to begin debating the immigration bill Monday and that it would take up to two weeks to pass.

    Senators would have to resolve any differences with the House version of the bill, which did not address the guest worker issue but increases penalties for illegal immigration activities and funds a 700-mile border fence.

    The statement from Fox's office and another from the White House said the two presidents agreed that immigration reform be comprehensive - meaning that it go beyond the tough punitive measures that some conservatives are promoting to stem the flow of immigrants.

    White House spokeswoman Maria Tamburri said Bush made clear to Fox that "the United States considered Mexico a friend and that what is being considered is not militarization of the border, but support of border capabilities on a temporary basis by the National Guard."

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    oh yeah.....about fucking time. This has been one of my idea's for the longest time....why pay National Guardsmen to drill once a month when they can be doing something that is actually worthwhile that benefits the country.

    Most likley will not effect Ga Guardsmen, more of Cali, New Mexico, Texas and some of the neighboring states.

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    lucky I hate the govt too much to fight for the country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wurm
    lucky I hate the govt too much to fight for the country

    wow....I dont even know how to respond to that.


    care to explain why you hate it so much? please give valid reasons and points...not just I hate the govt, and I hate bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wurm
    lucky I hate the govt too much to fight for the country
    If you hate our gov't that much than you need to move outta the country that has a gov't you like...thats pitiful when someone won't even stand up for the country they live in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddha@TeamFX
    If you hate our gov't that much than you need to move outta the country that has a gov't you like...thats pitiful when someone won't even stand up for the country they live in...
    Actually I am moving to a different country
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wurm
    Actually I am moving to a different country
    do they know it?
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    hmmm ..
    NY STAY HIGH !!!

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    where is that from? links?

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    i can't knock the government. i about joined the Coast Guard, but i pussed out at the last minute.
    glad i did too, cause now i'm in college for auto collision repair. its a lot better than jackin off in the middle of the ocean busted columbians with cocaine.....or not.

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    Bush will address the nation about it tomorrow evening.

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    wrong section yo

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    The immigrants will probably just use the tunnels the dealers use to cross the border.

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    one more thing some hippie is gonna complain about...


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    when is he addressing the nation on this?

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    supposedly tonight....

    I think it'll be at 8pm, but don't quote me on that.


    IMO, it's a great idea because the boosting of border patrol recruitment failed....I know you all saw those commercials a few weeks back....but anyways it's a good way to use the resources that we already have available. Alot of the guys in the National Guard take it as a joke and even when they goto drill 1 weekend a month are pathetic. So, this would be good training for patrol exercises and enforcement so that if their unit is called up to goto Iraq, they won't be walking around like lost little kids on what to do.

    If any of them are complaining...well then, all those months of paying them for doing jack squat at drill they should have no problems paying that back. Heaven forbid them actually having to work for some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznTraitor
    supposedly tonight....

    I think it'll be at 8pm, but don't quote me on that.


    IMO, it's a great idea because the boosting of border patrol recruitment failed....I know you all saw those commercials a few weeks back....but anyways it's a good way to use the resources that we already have available. Alot of the guys in the National Guard take it as a joke and even when they goto drill 1 weekend a month are pathetic. So, this would be good training for patrol exercises and enforcement so that if their unit is called up to goto Iraq, they won't be walking around like lost little kids on what to do.

    If any of them are complaining...well then, all those months of paying them for doing jack squat at drill they should have no problems paying that back. Heaven forbid them actually having to work for some money.
    i'm w/ ya... next they need to setup check points on the next rally to detain and illegals

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    i'm w/ ya... next they need to setup check points on the next rally to detain and illegals

    YES! I did it! Paul finally thinks one of Bush's plans is a good idea! haha

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